CA CA - Bryce Laspisa, 19, Castaic, 30 Aug 2013 - #2

[BluePoppy]

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Thank you very much. I had seen one picture of the crash site with the red lens and at that time, assumed the car had flipped while on the road. After finding out the car had come down hill, I wondered about backwards, but if the car hit backwards and the glass broke, the glass would not have had the same look as an emergency tool breakout, and a lot of the glass would have ended up IN the car. Were the original people looking at the car THAT clueless? However, going back to "where are the keys", Bryce could have come down the hill and if the back window had not been broken out (I've seen that happen),if Bryce had an emergency tool on his keyring and had his keys, he could have broken out the window and grabbed something from the bag in the back (whatever that was and for whatever reason).

I'm pretty sure that dragracerz posted that the reports that Bryce broke out the back window with the tool were false & that it was "unknown". He said that the back window was broken & Bryce's parents mentioned that they kept that tool in the car. Someone (reporter?) drew conclusions.

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When we get stuck in the desert, you first try to "rock" back and forth to get out of the hole (go forward, then backward). If he accelerated backwards too much, I can see going backwards down the hill easily. But if you can't "rock" out, people do get out and push one direction to get out of the hole and if the vehicle does not go, you try pushing the other direction, so it also makes sense to me that someone might get out, leave the vehicle in neutral and try to push it backwards. Was the place where it looked like a vehicle was "stuck" anywhere near the cell tower? Because there is a metal safety rail all along there because of the drop of, except at the tower , if I am not mistaken.
RSBM

I agree about the rocking & then getting out while in neutral. In the dark, there is no way the driver (Bryce or ?) could have known in the pitch dark that it was such a steep hill & drop off.

I'm pretty sure it's been determined that Bryce's vehicle went down the hill from behind the cell tower. Like it was intentionally driven through the opening in the guard rail & around the cell tower.

I'm sure Yellow Camaro can verify the exact position. Maybe he can look at the cell tower images on Pg 1 of this thread & give a relation of which side of the fence around the cell tower it was.

 

[PoirotsGirlFriday]

IMO, there probably was some discussion about a break-up from Bryce, even if it did not happen or he did not mean it. It is such a specific thing to be totally untrue or invented. JMO

That's what I was thinking too! Not to mention, it kept being repeated in the news. I mean, I know the media gets their facts wrong ALL THE TIME, but still seems like there must have been some measure of truth to it for it to keep being repeated and not corrected. On one news link Bryce's girlfriend even commented and corrected some of the times and locations but she didn't bother to correct the whole break up thing, which seems a little odd if it never actually took place. But...who knows. Maybe it didn't. Maybe it did.

 

[kevsrebla]

Did anyone search his laptop for leads? Im sure it was done i just havent seen it mentioned anywhere..just lack of cell phone activity. There's a lota mixed info going around. I still dont understand the 3 trips to the crash site and what he was even doing back there on Lake Hughes Rd. That is not a suburban area. Its on the complete other side of where the residential areas are and is secluded. I thought he told his mom he was pulling off in a suburban area to sleep. Does the time he last called mom coincide with the surveillance of him in Castaic? A lot of things are really hard to make sense of but Bryce and his loved ones are all in my thoughts. I hope he wants to be found and is found alive and well as soon as possible. xoxo

Yes laptop and phone were checked. He only made two trips to the crash site, one right after talking to his mom at 2.08 am and again at 4.20ish am, verified by camera checking plate numbers of cars going into the park only. Where he got off the 5 is residential but going up Lake Hughes Rd it quickly becomes rural. There is only one camera that we know of, LE might have more but have not released any info

 

[PoirotsGirlFriday]

(continued...)

If Bryce were stuck in the dirt, after trying unsuccessfully to pull forward out of the dirt area, he may have simply grown frustrated, and tried rolling in reverse to get out. A person unfamiliar with that area would have NO idea that going in that direction would lead to the small (15- 20 foot) cliff, or that there was a roadway below. He may have even gotten frustrated enough to get out of the vehicle and "send it" rolling backwards... or.... he could have gotten out of the vehicle to try digging, surveying the situation, whatever, and the vehicle simply rolled away unexpectedly.

Again, a very likely scenario that he was NOT inside the vehicle when it crashed.

(As noted before, the area where his vehicle was stuck is soft soil... but the tracks of the vehicle as it rolled backwards take it through the scrubby desert brush, rolling along for about 50 feet before the cliff edge... any tracks in the brushy area would be impossible to discern, and the soft dirt area is, by now, highly contaminated with the footprints of countless investigators)

Finally, relevant or not: I found a new, full, disposable cigarette lighter in the "rubble" of the broken glass/ taillight/ bodywork of the "landing" zone. No idea if Bryce was a cigarette smoker, but, if not, a lighter would indicate possible marijuana (or other "smokeable" drug) use. Yes, there are plenty of reasons to carry a lighter in one's vehicle that do not include smoking of anything... however, it tends to hint towards it.

Bottom line, regarding vehicle details: I think there's a very high probability that Bryce, or anybody, was NOT in the vehicle when it finally crashed. And, even if somebody WAS in it, the chance of a head injury is low, considering that a rear collision would not tend to generate the same impact forces as a side or frontal collision.

Wow, Yellow Camaro! You have provided such good and helpful information! Like another commented said, you paint a very clear picture that really makes us feel like we are there with you, surveying the scene. You definitely cleared up a lot of things for me.

You mentioned that the lighter you found was new. I know we don't know that it belonged to Bryce but something I thought of was that several people have mentioned that Bryce made a $1.71 purchase earlier. I'm wondering if that could have been the lighter and maybe he just told his mom he was stopping for a drink so she wouldn't know he smoked cigarettes or marijuana. (something my 19 yr old brother would do for sure) I honestly don't know how much a lighter cost....I was thinking around a $1? Although convenience stores tend to be a little more expensive than say a Target or Wal-Mart. It doesn't really help the case, but it was just something that crossed my mind when I read about the lighter you saw.

 

[Whiteorchids]

Wow, Yellow Camaro! You have provided such good and helpful information! Like another commented said, you paint a very clear picture that really makes us feel like we are there with you, surveying the scene. You definitely cleared up a lot of things for me.

You mentioned that the lighter you found was new. I know we don't know that it belonged to Bryce but something I thought of was that several people have mentioned that Bryce made a $1.71 purchase earlier. I'm wondering if that could have been the lighter and maybe he just told his mom he was stopping for a drink so she wouldn't know he smoked cigarettes or marijuana. (something my 19 yr old brother would do for sure) I honestly don't know how much a lighter cost....I was thinking around a $1? Although convenience stores tend to be a little more expensive than say a Target or Wal-Mart. It doesn't really help the case, but it was just something that crossed my mind when I read about the lighter you saw.

It was for a Red Bull drink which I find bizarre since he wanted to get some sleep. People that abuse Adderall use Red Bull to chase it down which can be lethal. My Brother in law is 40yrs experienced ER Dr.


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[LaborDayRN]

The find Bryce facebook page is so quiet today. It worries me a bit........

 

[BluePoppy]

That's what I was thinking too! Not to mention, it kept being repeated in the news. I mean, I know the media gets their facts wrong ALL THE TIME, but still seems like there must have been some measure of truth to it for it to keep being repeated and not corrected. On one news link Bryce's girlfriend even commented and corrected some of the times and locations but she didn't bother to correct the whole break up thing, which seems a little odd if it never actually took place. But...who knows. Maybe it didn't. Maybe it did.

Agreed. It didn't come out of thin air. My thought is that it may have come up as part of Bryce's seemingly unusual behavior on Tues/Wed/Thurs which seems to be due to the Adderall.

The gf may have not corrected anything about what conversations took place between them because she was asked or told not to? I think we would all love to know the details of all conversations with Bryce from Tuesday night on. I think it would give us all a better understanding of what his frame of mind was & what was going through his head. His family & friends likely know all of this, but none are saying anything. I can understand that, but I feel like it's so important to part of the big missing chunks of information surrounding his decision to drive home. It had to be big to make him leave school. Either that, or it was purely the Adderall screwing up his CNS thought processing. I tend to think the latter. Especially given Bryce's mom's indication that the idea (wherever it came from) of him breaking up with his girlfriend was very unusual.

 

[BluePoppy]

The find Bryce facebook page is so quiet today. It worries me a bit........

Hoping everyone's on the search party. It was supposed to be from 8am-5pm.

 

[PoirotsGirlFriday]

Unlurking again just to make clear that when I posted the link earlier it was not to start sleuthing a family member or to be disrespectful to the family in any way. I deliberately did not use names and was very careful and deliberately respectful with my wording regarding the family and their absolute right not to reference things. (which you now can't see as it got deleted).

The ONLY reason I posted that was because some posters were drawing conclusions that a poster on another site could be Bryce himself, and I was showing that there could be another explanation. This was not intended for people to sleuth if this was the case, but instead to cause pause and reflection rather than perhaps erroneously coming to a wrong conclusion.

I completely understand. And I for one, understood what your goal was and totally appreciated it. :smile: One thing that I found relevant about it was simply that I wonder/hope all his family members on his dad's side are being checked out. NOT as POI, but as a place Bryce might go to either lay low or maybe even in a situation of memory loss. Sometimes when people lose their memory, they can still remember from years before. It's possible Bryce could have forgotten where he lived in CA but remembered a place like his grandparents home in IL or wherever his step/half sister lives. Or even more likely, if he is hiding on purpose that he would go there to hide out. Just a thought that was brought on by your link.

 

[BluePoppy]

It was for a Red Bull drink which I find bizarre since he wanted to get some sleep. People that abuse Adderall use Red Bull to chase it down which can be lethal. My Brother in law is 40yrs experienced ER Dr.

I missed that it was a Red Bull. But I thought the drink purchase was made in Buttonwillow? I was pretty sure anyway...

ETA: From the timeline:
11 p.m. Thursday - Bryce tells his mother he’s buying a beverage at a gas station. A purchase is made for $1.71, she said.

 

[brooke79]

Yes laptop and phone were checked. He only made two trips to the crash site, one right after talking to his mom at 2.08 am and again at 4.20ish am, verified by camera checking plate numbers of cars going into the park only. Where he got off the 5 is residential but going up Lake Hughes Rd it quickly becomes rural. There is only one camera that we know of, LE might have more but have not released any info

Ok ty. IMO even 2 trips to the crash site is still weird...especially 2 hours later the sec time.

 

[Whiteorchids]

It was for a Red Bull drink which I find bizarre since he wanted to get some sleep. People that abuse Adderall use Red Bull to chase it down which can be lethal. My Brother in law is 40yrs experienced ER Dr he has seen this many times. A dangerous combo!!!!

 

[kevsrebla]

The find Bryce facebook page is so quiet today. It worries me a bit........

Everything is quiet today and no dragracerz either

 

[PoirotsGirlFriday]

It was for a Red Bull drink which I find bizarre since he wanted to get some sleep. People that abuse Adderall use Red Bull to chase it down which can be lethal. My Brother in law is 40yrs experienced ER Dr.


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Thank you! I had heard it was a drink but didn't know if it was confirmed or if it was just what he had told his mom. Thanks!

And I also agree that it was bizarre. Maybe he thought it would help, then later decided it wasn't enough and he needed sleep? If he drinks them a lot they might not be that effective. My brother drinks so many, he still fights feeling tired and sluggish sometimes after 2 or 3 of them. It's worrisome that he had a Red Bull though, based on what you're saying about the combo of Adderall and Red Bull.
And, here you go Traveling Bug ! You were right - he did have a Red Bull that night. Probably not a good thing.

 

[LinasK]

Is Petaluma in Stanislaus National Forest? When I map it they come up over 4 hours away from each other? Are these two separate bodies that were found (the one I posted was found on the 11th and the one you posted sounds like it was found on the 12th?)

No, long ways from each other...

 

[PoirotsGirlFriday]

BBM. Personally, I appreciate this. I'm still learning the rules (as evidenced by how often my posts get deleted). I tend to see the million shades of gray (not in any way relative to the 50 shades *wink wink*)

:floorlaugh: This is a little off topic, but I just have to say this...SandSage, you are so funny. That totally made me LOL when I read that!

It's hard for those of us who are more "emotional" thinkers. Please come back. A deleted post is a learning experience not a personal judgement about you (my mantra). Your input is important...

I agree. I'm also a very emotional person and I have to keep myself in check. When stories of any kind of crime circulate in the media, I get so emotionally involved I start suspecting EVERYONE!!! Good thing I'm not directly responsible for making arrests! :jail:

 

[SmartSassyBBW]

In Yellow Camaro's hypothesis of the SUV going down the incline backwards and possibly driverless,, how does the blood in the car figure in? Could BL, someone else, have gone down to the crash site to retrieve something from the broken out back end and cut themselves on the glass?
Also I'm confused about the dogs tracking him walking across the path at the face of the dam..
This is a large dammed concrete reservoir with a lower lagoon, or lower lake used for swimming in a designated area and also fishing from shore. I think you maybe can use small fishing boats on the lower lake but I'm not sure. At the top of the concrete dam area is the large man made lake where people can use their boats and water vehicles to go boating and waterskiing.
I would think that the road or walkway at the top of the big concrete dam would be thoroughly secured. It would be a safety risk to allow anyone up there.
For clarity, have the lower lake/lagoon and the upper lake/reservoir both been searched by LE divers?
Thanks Yellow Camarro for your many hours of hot sleuthing at and around the crash site.

 

[BluePoppy]

In Yellow Camaro's hypothesis of the SUV going down the incline backwards and possibly driverless,, how does the blood in the car figure in? Could BL, someone else, have gone down to the crash site to retrieve something from the broken out back end and cut themselves on the glass?
Also I'm confused about the dogs tracking him walking across the path at the face of the dam..
This is a large dammed concrete reservoir with a lower lagoon, or lower lake used for swimming in a designated area and also fishing from shore. I think you maybe can use small fishing boats on the lower lake but I'm not sure. At the top of the concrete dam area is the large man made lake where people can use their boats and water vehicles to go boating and waterskiing.
I would think that the road or walkway at the top of the big concrete dam would be thoroughly secured. It would be a safety risk to allow anyone up there.
For clarity, have the lower lake/lagoon and the upper lake/reservoir both been searched by LE divers?
Thanks Yellow Camarro for your many hours of hot sleuthing at and around the crash site.

Good point on the blood! And thinking further - I'm guessing it's almost certain Bryce went down with the vehicle. Otherwise the search dogs would have picked up Bryce's scent walking all the way back down Lake Hughes Rd to Main Ramp Rd to the vehicle. And if so, why would he then walk down to the lake? I doubt it.

We have to remember Bryce's scent was picked up from the vehicle going down to the lake. Not going up the hill or up Main Ramp Rd back to Lake Hughes Rd. I'm almost certain now that Bryce did go down with the vehicle. The question remains if someone else was with him (carjacking) or not. I'm thinking it is less likely after considering these things.

 

[kevsrebla]

Good point on the blood! And thinking further - I'm guessing it's almost certain Bryce went down with the vehicle. Otherwise the search dogs would have picked up Bryce's scent walking all the way back down Lake Hughes Rd to Main Ramp Rd to the vehicle & if so, why would he then walk down to the lake. I doubt it.

We have to remember Bryce's scent was picked up from the vehicle going down to the lake. Not going up the hill or up Main Ramp Rd back to Lake Hughes Rd. I'm almost certain now that Bryce did go down with the vehicle. The question remains if someone else was with him (carjacking) or not. I'm thinking it is less likely after considering these things.

Originally Posted by dragracerz View Post
The initial dog search revealed the the scent went from the car to the water, nothing else, but that places Bryce at Castaic
Another dog search with bloodhounds on Tuesday showed Bryce by the waters edge but going along the shore towards the dam
Yesterdays bloodhound search picked up scents possibly leading out of the park so it is hopeful that he is trying to still get home to Laguna however might be impaired due to a head injury.
I think the search of the water itself is over and LE has concluded that he is NOT in the lake but also thinking he might be trying to head towards Laguna

 

[BluePoppy]

Originally Posted by dragracerz View Post
The initial dog search revealed the the scent went from the car to the water, nothing else, but that places Bryce at Castaic
Another dog search with bloodhounds on Tuesday showed Bryce by the waters edge but going along the shore towards the dam
Yesterdays bloodhound search picked up scents possibly leading out of the park so it is hopeful that he is trying to still get home to Laguna however might be impaired due to a head injury.
I think the search of the water itself is over and LE has concluded that he is NOT in the lake but also thinking he might be trying to head towards Laguna

Exactly. I wish we knew where "leading out of the park" was. To me, that indicates away from the lagoon area towards town, given that he went as far as the dam. Or it could mean he didn't cross the dam completely (can't recall if someone said he did), but just up to it & then walked a road leading back up towards LH Rd. Maybe even the road at the other end of the launch ramp parking area. But I think this is a point that needs to be clarified of where the scent was lost. And why would it be lost if he kept walking?