CA CA - Bryce Laspisa, 19, Castaic, 30 Aug 2013 - #2

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  • #941
I'd sure love to hear your read of this case!

My theory keeps bouncing in new directions with each bit of released information.

I am still reading up on this case. The SUV going down the embankment backwards with out Bryce in it suggests two options:

1) He pushed it over.
2) Someone else pushed it over.


If is was accidental, he would have been in it and left some evidence of his egress from the vehicle.

And with all due respect to a previous post, there are always foot prints or "sign" no matter what the ground conditions. I have tracked across concrete, carpet, tile and macadam. In cases where there are no clear prints, there are still impressions or push downs in the vegetation, broken twigs etc... And unless Bryce got into another vehicle, somewhere along the upper road, there are signs of his passage....at least there were.
 
  • #942
And with all due respect to a previous post, there are always foot prints or "sign" no matter what the ground conditions. I have tracked across concrete, carpet, tile and macadam. In cases where there are no clear prints, there are still impressions or push downs in the vegetation, broken twigs etc... And unless Bryce got into another vehicle, somewhere along the upper road, there are signs of his passage....at least there were.

Indeed... however, I must clarify. The ground cover directly above the crash landing zone consists of dry, semi- dead/ dead scrub brush of a very sturdy nature. In other words, the thick ground cover (approx. 8" to 16" above soil level) does not necessarily break twigs or press down when stepped on. In fact, the tracks of the 5000 lb. vehicle that rolled through are difficult to discern. And, while it is indeed possible to track through any and all surface types, I would classify this as among the most difficult, only eclipsed perhaps by running riverbeds or a sidewalk at Six Flags...
 
  • #943
In summary (regarding my previous findings and posts), I feel that it is extremely likely that he was NOT in the vehicle when it crashed, he is not injured, and he (or his body) is not in the vicinity.

(And, in the spirit of random, but unquantifiable theories, I will throw out my speculation that he is headed for Illinois... "home, sweet, home" to him. Hitchhiking, perhaps, and likely even blissfully unaware of the intense search transpiring for him. This has made big LOCAL headlines, but only spotty national coverage... very easy to see how he would not know of--- or perhaps care--- of the search efforts. I believe that he will eventually turn up in Illinois.)
 
  • #944
I think the lake is the place to focus and not stop. I don't know how deep divers can go or how sonars work in very deep water, but I have thought all along this is where he is. :(
 
  • #945
(continued...)

If Bryce were stuck in the dirt, after trying unsuccessfully to pull forward out of the dirt area, he may have simply grown frustrated, and tried rolling in reverse to get out. A person unfamiliar with that area would have NO idea that going in that direction would lead to the small (15- 20 foot) cliff, or that there was a roadway below. He may have even gotten frustrated enough to get out of the vehicle and "send it" rolling backwards... or.... he could have gotten out of the vehicle to try digging, surveying the situation, whatever, and the vehicle simply rolled away unexpectedly.

Again, a very likely scenario that he was NOT inside the vehicle when it crashed.

(As noted before, the area where his vehicle was stuck is soft soil... but the tracks of the vehicle as it rolled backwards take it through the scrubby desert brush, rolling along for about 50 feet before the cliff edge... any tracks in the brushy area would be impossible to discern, and the soft dirt area is, by now, highly contaminated with the footprints of countless investigators)

Finally, relevant or not: I found a new, full, disposable cigarette lighter in the "rubble" of the broken glass/ taillight/ bodywork of the "landing" zone. No idea if Bryce was a cigarette smoker, but, if not, a lighter would indicate possible marijuana (or other "smokeable" drug) use. Yes, there are plenty of reasons to carry a lighter in one's vehicle that do not include smoking of anything... however, it tends to hint towards it.

Bottom line, regarding vehicle details: I think there's a very high probability that Bryce, or anybody, was NOT in the vehicle when it finally crashed. And, even if somebody WAS in it, the chance of a head injury is low, considering that a rear collision would not tend to generate the same impact forces as a side or frontal collision.

BBM. 50 feet from where the vehicle appears to have been "stuck"? 50 feet seems like a very long way to travel in reverse if one were just trying to free their vehicle. IMO

WHERE ARE MY MANNERS??? (ETA): Thank you YellowCamaro. EVERY word of this is PRICELESS. Thank you SO MUCH.
 
  • #946
BBM. 50 feet from where the vehicle appears to have been "stuck"? 50 feet seems like a very long way to travel in reverse if one were just trying to free their vehicle. IMO

WHERE ARE MY MANNERS??? (ETA): Thank you YellowCamaro. EVERY word of this is PRICELESS. Thank you SO MUCH.

You are quite welcome, SS!

Somewhat difficult to portray the entire landscape of the area without photos... indeed, 50 feet is a long way to travel, especially in reverse... which is among my reasons for thinking that he (or somebody) either ALLOWED it to roll away, unoccupied, or it inadvertently rolled away (unoccupied), as in perhaps the vehicle operator had stepped out of the vehicle to evaluate the vehicle's "stuck" condition (clearly unable to drive UPhill) and the vehicle just rolled away (oops, forgot to set the brake, forgot it was in reverse, etc.). It could have easily rolled downhill from there, leaving the dirt area where it appears to have been stuck, rolling across approx. 50 ft. of sloped, low groundcover/ brush, and terminating at the 15-20 foot cliff, where it launched slightly, landing on the tailgate/ rear of the vehicle on the roadway below.
 
  • #947
anyone heard any news on reported a sighting of Bryce in the Newport Beach area. I can not find any news articles so am assuming it is rumored but want to know if anyone has found something I may have missed.
 
  • #948
anyone heard any news on reported a sighting of Bryce in the Newport Beach area. I can not find any news articles so am assuming it is rumored but want to know if anyone has found something I may have missed.

I saw that (several times) too, Kev. Asked way down but no response. My guess is it's a rumor born of the newscast "trainwreck" two nights ago. Would be great to get some verification though, either way.
 
  • #949
I didn't notice that when I snipped, I was snipping for a disallowed site. Feel free to post the link to the obituary.

Seeing as how this has now been allowed by a mod, can Kissime or someone who saw the original post repost a link to the obituary?
 
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  • #951
A question for yellowcamaro or anyone familiar with the area.....

Going with the theory that Bryce was disoriented from the crash or even had a head injury (which I know you stated was unlikely from how it appears the car went over the cliff), are there areas where a disoriented person could fall into the water or is it fairly level all the way around? And are there any areas where it is very deep right up to the edge of the lake or is the lake fairly shallow at the edges all the way around?

My point is, I can see someone being disoriented and unsteady on their feet and falling into a lake, but I think it's far less likely that someone that is disoriented would just keep walking into the water until they reach a depth where they could drown.

Some posters have mentioned that they think that Bryce is in the lake, further in, but I have to wonder just how he could get there? If someone wanted to dispose of him, they'd have to have a way to do it, a boat to get to the middle of the lake. I don't totally rule out that he is in the lake, in fact for a while I was pretty sure he was, but running through the scenarios in my head, I have to wonder how he could possibly end up in deeper waters.
 
  • #952
RSBM

So I think that's what struck me - the apparent oddity of him wanting to do that; the fact that it kept being referenced, in the beginning, as the first weird thing that happened, and then no one really indicates what took place at the gf's house.

All we know is that his gf says he left her place around 11:30 but she never addresses why he was even there and from day one of the search, she has identified herself as "Bryce's girlfriend" and never indicates what transpired at her house that night or how he was acting, feeling, etc. when he left. That's what has me stumped.

The GF thing stuck out for me in the beginning, too. This is the article where it talks about the gf as well as several of the other details brought up from the beginning. (with a few details that we now know are errors)
http://www.signalscv.com/section/36/article/104072/
"On Wednesday at about 1:30 p.m., Bryce told his mother he was going to break up with his girlfriend with whom he “had been so in love” for the past five months, she said.*RSBM*
When she told him she was going to fly up to the college to see him, he reportedly said: “Mom, do not make any flight. I have a lot to talk to you about.’”

I see this break up thing is coming up again but Dragracerz already addressed this issue on one of the earlier threads
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - CA CA - Bryce Laspisa, 19, Castaic, 30 Aug 2013 - #1
From this link, dragracerz was responding to the question: "Do you know why it was reported that Bryce was going to break up with his girlfriend, but she gives no indication that was the case?"
His response from link above is:
To try to answer your question, that what my sister was told by friends, and she even put it in the timeline
10 p.m. Wednesday - Bryce reportedly tries to break up with his girlfriend. Friends, concerned about his behavior, take away his car keys.
It was later found out that that was not what happened. It seems like certain things "stick out" and people remember those things.
That's why I want to make sure the things I am posting are facts, otherwise things can be misconstrued and only hinder the investigation

The GF breakup issue stuck out to me from the beginning, too. JMO, but there is a series of events that I believe started on Tuesday with taking the Adderall & continued through an entire night of playing a game & long conversations with the roommate. Bryce's gf said he was not sounding right on Tuesday after he admitting taking the pill. Then Wednesday continues to act out of character. I keep coming back to the Adderall & bad side effects & coming down from it. I don't think Bryce was in his right mind fully. I recall something from when the SD located Bryce in Buttonwillow & his mom hearing him in the background while talking to the Sheriff & Bryce's comments sounding odd.

I don't think Bryce wanted to b/u with his gf. Kids that age live their life on social media. Bryce's FB still shows he's "in a relationship" & has his profile pic set to a pic of him & his gf. Bryce had an entire day in Buttonwillow to get on FB & change his FB status/pic if he was not wanting to be with the gf. But I think some of his friends either thought he was for some reason or wanted him to. Again, acting out of character. Bryce had an entire day in Buttonwillow to get on FB & change his FB status/pic if was not wanting to be with the gf. JMO

This one is really close to castaic though, 40 miles.
http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/l...d-Hills-Supermarket-Body-Found-223706101.html

A body found on the loading dock at a Woodland Hills supermarket Friday may be that of a homeless person killed by a delivery truck, police said.

This one concerns me the most. A "homeless person" sleeping on a truck loading dock area of a grocery store mid day? Homeless people stick together in groups & have their safe spots to sleep. This doesn't smell right.
 
  • #953
Seeing as how this has now been allowed by a mod, can Kissime or someone who saw the original post repost a link to the obituary?

I did see this, but in my humble opinion, reposting it is not necessary or respectful of the family. The article is simply an obituary that lends info of who the different family members are. It was posted to try to prove info on whether Bryce had siblings. I don't think this is relevant to the search for Bryce or that the family needs their family history picked apart at this time. JMO & no disrespect to anyone intended.
 
  • #954
I won't quote of what BluePoppy just said but......

I wonder if a combination of the Adderall which a cause sleep deprivation and head trauma could cause either disorientation or some sort of psychotic episode.
 
  • #955
You are quite welcome, SS!

Somewhat difficult to portray the entire landscape of the area without photos... indeed, 50 feet is a long way to travel, especially in reverse... which is among my reasons for thinking that he (or somebody) either ALLOWED it to roll away, unoccupied, or it inadvertently rolled away (unoccupied), as in perhaps the vehicle operator had stepped out of the vehicle to evaluate the vehicle's "stuck" condition (clearly unable to drive UPhill) and the vehicle just rolled away (oops, forgot to set the brake, forgot it was in reverse, etc.). It could have easily rolled downhill from there, leaving the dirt area where it appears to have been stuck, rolling across approx. 50 ft. of sloped, low groundcover/ brush, and terminating at the 15-20 foot cliff, where it launched slightly, landing on the tailgate/ rear of the vehicle on the roadway below.

:welcome: Yellow Camaro!!!!

And thank you so much for the amazingly great descriptive information of the crash site. It is a wealth of knowledge that feels like I was right there, no more guessing on how it looks / happened.
 
  • #956
I did see this, but in my humble opinion, reposting it is not necessary or respectful of the family. The article is simply an obituary that lends info of who the different family members are. It was posted to try to prove info on whether Bryce had siblings. I don't think this is relevant to the search for Bryce or that the family needs their family history picked apart at this time. JMO & no disrespect to anyone intended.
Thanks. I totally understand.
 
  • #957
I won't quote of what BluePoppy just said but......

I wonder if a combination of the Adderall which a cause sleep deprivation and head trauma could cause either disorientation or some sort of psychotic episode.

I think there were a few first hand accounts from other posters when we were first discussing the entire Adderall angle who expressed that this was very possible.
 
  • #958
HI There everyone,

A woman on FB said that the blood found in the SUV was not Bryce's. Is this correct? Another poster wrote that no dna results have been released. Anyone know the correct answer? Thank you much.
 
  • #959
HI There everyone,

A woman on FB said that the blood found in the SUV was not Bryce's. Is this correct? Another poster wrote that no dna results have been released. Anyone know the correct answer? Thank you much.

Hoping dragracerz can comment!!
 
  • #960
Unlurking again just to make clear that when I posted the link earlier it was not to start sleuthing a family member or to be disrespectful to the family in any way. I deliberately did not use names and was very careful and deliberately respectful with my wording regarding the family and their absolute right not to reference things. (which you now can't see as it got deleted).

The ONLY reason I posted that was because some posters were drawing conclusions that a poster on another site could be Bryce himself, and I was showing that there could be another explanation. This was not intended for people to sleuth if this was the case, but instead to cause pause and reflection rather than perhaps erroneously coming to a wrong conclusion.
 
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