CA CA - Bryce Laspisa, 19, Castaic, 30 Aug 2013 - #3

[Voice4theSilent]

RSBM
How do we know this, though? I don't know who was with him on Monday and Tuesday night (all night), but no one with him from 11:30 PM on Wednesday until 9:00 on Thursday when he called for gas. Since the trip from Chico to Buttonwillow is only 349 miles, and would only take 5 hours and 10 minutes, he could have been sleeping for 4 hours. Since he was unaccounted for for 8 or 9 hours in Buttonwillow, he could have been sleeping then, too. It's quite a stretch to say he hadn't slept in 4 days when there was no one with him for the 4 days to say if he did or didn't.

To me this is just a theory that some have that he was up for 4 days straight. Others believe he was in Buttonwillow for so long because he was sleeping (thus not believing he was up for 4 days straight.) At this point no one knows for certain WHAT he was doing during those 4 days leading up to the car crash in Castaic.

 

[gitana1]

First time I've heard this interview. As noted above, she says that Bryce told her he broke up with Kim, but then she states "I truly don't believe he broke up with her." Didn't he just tell her he did? Also, I have questioned why he would tell her (as it was reported) that his GPS said he had another 3 hours and 25 mins to get to Laguna when he was in Castaic when it isn't that far. That information was not published correctly. In this interview, she states that Bryce told her, during their 2:08 a.m. phone conversation, that his GPS said he would arrive in Laguna at 3:25 a.m. But that he was tired and going to pull over to sleep.

Such an important catch. You are a rock star! This really threw us for a loop and you resolved that discrepancy.

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"As I stated in an earlier post, Bryce, like most 19 yo's, has experimented with marijuana."

Yes, but having experimented and being into something are pretty different.

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The interview provided a lot of good info. But also raised a host of more questions.

Does anyone else find it strange that Charlie, the one and only friend in Laguna Niguel (that we know of) did not know Bryce was coming to hang out with him and "blow off some steam"? Seems he would have AT LEAST texted Charlie and said something like "Hey man, I'm going to be in town", right? Unless Charlie is a bum there would be a chance he would have had plans.

Secondly, I can't understand why Mom thinks Bryce lied about breaking up with his gf but that the gf is that telling the truth about them not breaking up? What the...??? I know we all speculated he tried but wasn't taken seriously because he was acting weird but if that's the case Mom doesn't say so.

I think he wasn't in his right mind, kind of knew it at first or jnew he was seeming off and made various excuses for his behavior so people would quit bothering him.

I might get in trouble for saying this(?). But I think the roommate needs to prob start talking about their last conversations. If it could help the investigation of course..

There could be some crucial information that comes out of it.

But what makes you think he hasn't talked? LE doesn't usually divulge much
of what they discover. Just because he hasn't said everything he knows to the media doesn't mean he's keeping quiet.

IIRC dragracerz only said early on that LE had access to Bryce, Mom's & group FB accts.

It was the other girl here whose son knows Bryce from IL who said he sent a FB msg to Bryce after he went missing & that is showed "read" after that. He then called Bryce's mom & she told him she had picked the message up. Therefore she is monitoring his FB as well.

I recall that as well.

But is it really that short when you count packing, parking, check-in, etc.?

I've made those short flights a few times and it always kills me that it's a 20 minute flight but a 2 or 3 hour mess on either end of it. I can see how it would depend on how much you like driving or flying, though.

Asking generally... does Bryce like to drive? Was this a semi-fun road trip for him before whatever accident happened? I will happily drive 9 or 10 hours before I'd get on a plane, but I know that varies between people. I'd so love to hear HIS version someday.

Yes. That includes total travel time for me.

Exactly! There are very few people I will drop in on today, only because we have that kind of relationship & I know they don't mind. I, on the other hand, can't stand drop ins. With 3 kids, pets & husband gone a lot, my house is usually embarrassing. But my husband can't stand that. He thinks our house should be "company ready" 24/7 & that I should have no problem with anyone dropping by any time. *shrug*

But dropping in is so California and you're a Californian!!

I grew up here and it's happened all the time since I could remember. I don't do it much but people still do it to me!!

RSBMI have to laugh at this, because it just shows how different people are. Traveling by plane is massively stressful for me, between making the reservations for the plane and the car at the other end, having to be there early, find some way to get there or find a parking garage, going through the security line, pulling out all my electronics and stuffing them back in the bags, my kids getting red flagged, being x-rayed (one more time...), being terrified at every take off and landing and the engine on fire (yes, happened once), being shuttled to the car rental location, waiting to get my car, loading everyone up.....if it's 8-10 hours or less, I drive. I can pack as much as I want, stop and get out when I want to, don't have to wait in countless lines, can play my music and sing at the top of my lungs, open the windows, eat what I want, and have a car at the other end. And there is plenty of room for everyone's legs in my car.

Diversity makes the world go 'round.

And you know what's crazy? I used to have not just a fear, but a screaming, horrific and paralyzing phobia of flying. Now I just have a fear ( I had extensive treatment). But I love airports and I love travel and being able to have a drink!

 

[BluePoppy]

RSBM
How do we know this, though? I don't know who was with him on Monday and Tuesday night (all night), but no one was with him from 11:30 PM on Wednesday until 9:00 on Thursday when he called for gas. Since the trip from Chico to Buttonwillow is only 349 miles, and would only take 5 hours and 10 minutes, he could have been sleeping for 4 hours. Since he was unaccounted for for 8 or 9 hours in Buttonwillow, he could have been sleeping then, too. It's quite a stretch to say he hadn't slept in 4 days when there was no one with him for the 4 days to say if he did or didn't.

A hypothesis (that is pretty solid - IMO) based on piecing together different pieces of facts. The facts being a pic of Bryce getting the Madden game at the time of it's release on Monday night, Tues him telling his gf he took an Adderall & gf telling his mom he was acting weird & rumor (pretty solid but just slightly off - IMO) that he was up for 4 days.

Piece that together & it stands to reason (mine anyway) that after waking up Monday morning, he did not sleep again until arriving in Buttonwillow early Thursday morning between 4-6am'ish. (my theory) So, *I think* he was up all of Mon, Tues, Wed, & 4-6 hrs on Thurs until he got to the rest stop.

Again... JMO

 

[AnjL]

A hypothesis (that is pretty solid - IMO) based on piecing together different pieces of facts. The facts being a pic of Bryce getting the Madden game at the time of it's release on Monday night, Tues him telling his gf he took an Adderall & gf telling his mom he was acting weird & rumor (pretty solid but just slightly off - IMO) that he was up for 4 days.

Piece that together & it stands to reason (mine anyway) that after waking up Monday morning, he did not sleep again until arriving in Buttonwillow early Thursday morning between 4-6am'ish. (my theory) So, *I think* he was up all of Mon, Tues, Wed, & 4-6 hrs on Thurs until he got to the rest stop.

Again... JMO

Just jumping off your post...

Add to these days with no sleep the fact that he probably didn't get any deep sleep at buttonwillow and his mental state would further decline. Deep REM sleep is needed for our brains to function properly. Without it, he would not be able to think clearly, would not react to emergency situations with a logical response and could be experiencing hallucinations.
Lots of info in this article:
https://maps.google.com/maps?q=9000...F-8&ei=DUo0UoSCDuHjiAK0nICQDA&ved=0CAoQ_AUoAA

One of the symptoms of prolonged sleep deprivation is hallucinations (10). This could also be related to the I-function since it is the system that integrates the input from all other areas of the brain. If the neurons composing the I-function become too taxed then the picture in the head that the I-function produces may be more dissimilar from reality than usual. The neurons, under pressure to continue functioning but unable to perform optimally, create an image useful enough for a person to see most of his or her surroundings. Metabolic activity in the prefrontal cortex can drop as much as eleven percent after a person has missed sleep for only twenty four hours (8). As a person loses more sleep or continues to receive less-than-adequate amounts of sleep the neurons become even more taxed and the I-function may begin to generate even less coherent images possibly resulting in temporary insanity.

 

[AnjL]

Does anyone know why Bryce is not listed on NamUs? I can't find him on any of the missing persons registry for that matter. I know someone asked before. Just wondering if he has to be MIA for a certain length of time first or some other criteria in order to be listed?
I think it's important because if he does show up at LE or hospital somewhere else and not listed then how will they (whoever finds him) know who he is?

 

[deicide]

Good early morning, my saying is when I didn't receive any mail: no mail is good mail. Hope the same applies to news.
Did the le investigate in buttonwille?
Was ccs checked there? Very close to Bakersfield, did anyone checked there? Mo, 20 minutes searching the car, spending with bl would have exposed if drugs are involved. Staying in the car while the engine is running for such a long time? If you would do that over here, police would be there more than once because it's suspicious. Maybe it's different there, because of it's common.
Btw. Is that a halo on the first shroom?

 

[AnjL]

Good early morning, my saying is when I didn't receive any mail: no mail is good mail. Hope the same applies to news.
Did the le investigate in buttonwille?
Was ccs checked there? Very close to Bakersfield, did anyone checked there? Mo, 20 minutes searching the car, spending with bl would have exposed if drugs are involved. Staying in the car while the engine is running for such a long time? If you would do that over here, police would be there more than once because it's suspicious. Maybe it's different there, because of it's common.
Btw. Is that a halo on the first shroom?

BBM
If he was sitting in the car with engine running for any period of time it would have been at the Buttonwillow Rest Stop. Since it is a travel rest stop frequently used for sleeping it wouldn't be suspicious at all. But if he were stopped in a residential area with engine running, yes that would be suspicious.

 

[PoirotsGirlFriday]

Yes, but having experimented and being into something are pretty different.

RSBM

Yes, definitely true! Just as "having some drinks" and being an alcoholic are two totally different things. But I guess my concern is that Bryce's uncle and parents really have NO way of knowing whether it really stopped with "experimenting".

And if Bryce was willing to cross the line of trying an illegal substance, we really have no way of knowing of what else he would be willing to do. I'm not trying to say that doing something illegal makes a person some constant lawbreaker and therefore, capable of all sorts of things. Just saying that once he crossed that line, it only gets easier after that to experiment more.

I'm probably just biased though. Because even though I've never tried any drugs, period, I know sooooo many people who have. And from what they tell me, it's so incredibly easy to not only find a joint to smoke (or other types of drugs) but it's easy to find one to smoke EVERY DAY. I found a container of weed in my house a few months back and freaked out. anic: My brother nonchalantly says "Oh, some dude gave that to me free on the bus last night. A real nice clean cut kid from [local upscale neighborhood full of executives, doctors, etc.] He heard I was new to the area and wondered if I had a dealer yet."

I'm pretty young and I'm not exactly a goody two shoes, but I was really surprised at how "easy" that seemed. I guess there's a lot I don't know. And I'm thinking that when Bryce's family say "experiment" there's probably a lot they don't know as well.

 

[PoirotsGirlFriday]

BBM I think Charlie was as big a part of the plan to go to Laguna Niguel as Laguna Nigel was. Zilch. *think fast, think fast, think fast... CHARLIE!* IYKNWIM

Oh yes, definitely know what you mean. And to me, that sounds VERY plausible. Which is why I think this Charlie guy, when asked, had no idea what they were talking about. Unless of course he was lying to cover for Bryce but I just don't think that's how it went down. I think it was definitely more of a "Oh darn, Mom knows I'm out on the road. The cops are here wanting to know what I'm up to..." kind of thing.

 

[PoirotsGirlFriday]

I think that's just a huge cultural difference. By culture I don't mean race, I mean how someone was raised. I would never drop by someone's house unannounced, even someone who would most likely be happy to see me. My husband on the other hand will drop by someone's house when he hasn't even seen them in 5+ years. It's normal for him, and he thinks it's weird that I won't just drop by somewhere. IMO I think it's all about what's normal for that person. I wish we knew more about what's normal for Bryce.

I have agree with you on this. I would never drop by someone's place without calling or texting first either. But I agree for some people it could be totally acceptable.

Here's why I don't think it would be "normal" for Bryce though.
1. According to his mom, they had only lived in Laguna Niguel for one year and Bryce had been at college that whole time. So he would have presumably only been friends with Charlie for a year or less. (I'm surmising it was a summer friendship) I doubt they would have reached such a comfortable level in that short of a time.

2. Dropping by might be expected from our friends that live near us. But Bryce lives hours away so it would never occur to Charlie that Bryce might drop in when he is supposed to be in college, hours from town. Because of this, I think Bryce would give a heads up. Surprises are great and all, but if Bryce was really going through something, he would want to make sure Charlie was home/in town and available. He would also probably want to make sure Charlie would not make any weekend plans.

I personally feel the reason he didn't contact Charlie was not a drop in policy, but simply that he never intended to go see Charlie. After all, if you are having a rough week and need a friend to "blow off some steam" with, you typically gravitate towards older, closer friends. People who know you extremely well.

JMO though.

 

[deicide]

Does anyone know why Bryce is not listed on NamUs? I can't find him on any of the missing persons registry for that matter. I know someone asked before. Just wondering if he has to be MIA for a certain length of time first or some other criteria in order to be listed?
I think it's important because if he does show up at LE or hospital somewhere else and not listed then how will they (whoever finds him) know who he is?

Maybe namus is listing people after 30 days.? What I found was this http://dojapp.doj.ca.gov/missing/detail.asp?FCN=2321324200242
But why 12th??? Can not believe they gave such a wrong information.

 

[AnjL]

Maybe namus is listing people after 30 days.? What I found was this http://dojapp.doj.ca.gov/missing/detail.asp?FCN=2321324200242
But why 12th??? Can not believe they gave such a wrong information.

Groan! That's the state of California for ya! I guess they are not very detail oriented. Grrr

 

[CatFancier]

Maybe namus is listing people after 30 days.? What I found was this http://dojapp.doj.ca.gov/missing/detail.asp?FCN=2321324200242
But why 12th??? Can not believe they gave such a wrong information.

NAMUS does not require a 30 day wait...

 

[Quester]

Here is the pic that was on Bryce's FB. Does this look drug related to magic mushrooms? I don't know much about drugs.

If this is not Ok to post mods please remove. I asked before but got no answer.

What date was it posted there? TIA

 

[deicide]

Sorry in advance for this maybe dumb question, but for me it doesn't indicates that bl's wallet was found that his I'd nor the driver's license was in it. Does it so? Never read about that.

 

[TravelingBug]

Seems like it. Just goes to show how information can get twisted in the media. I live in Naperville and on one Chicago broadcast they said Bryce was driving from Chicago to Laguna Niguel.....instead of Chico to Laguna.

Oh dear... :facepalm:

(Since you're in Naperville, please go eat at the yummy breakfast place in the Town Square center across from Danada for me, would you? I always think it's Egglectic, but I know that's what's in Wheaton...I just always have that name in my head instead of the Naperville one! Oh, and run across the street and eat a Fannie May buttercream for me, too! :smile

 

[vulture]

People with dissociative fugue typically appear fine but have temporarily lost their sense of identity, are confused and impulsively travel away from home. Experts say it is rare and typically linked to severe stress.

I'm going to look that up and see if it's ever linked with bipolar disorder because my brother did things like this and was very good at appearing normal for short periods of time if pressed about what he was doing. He was definitely under severe stress at the time (financial, problems at work, trying to hide what was going on with him, probably very scared of what was going on, severe insomnia problems.) Yesterday I was riding with my Dad and brother in the car to go apple picking and I told them about this case to see if they had any ideas. I wanted to get a male perspective and also I wanted to see if my brother would talk about his experiences because he keeps that very private and I would like to know more about what's going on in his mind if possible. My brother asked a few questions but offered few opinions other than to say four days without sleep is nothing compared to what he'd been through and you'd be surprised at what you can accomplish in such a state. My Dad and I both agreed we'd be pretty incompetent after just one night. My Dad said the situation sounded more like he was wanting to get away from life for awhile or was acting strange due to bipolar more than foul play. I asked them if they had ever thought about running away from life and they both said yes but did not elaborate.

There some similarities with my brother's behavior and Bryce's before my brother was on meds for bipolar. The impromptu trips, sleeping in his car, definitely. Wandering around with no apparent purpose, yes. And illegal drugs had nothing to do with it as far as we know. My brother was older than Bryce was during these episodes and was a pretty experienced traveler so he didn't do things like run out of gas as far as we know, but he'd do things that don't make much sense like wander the beach and pick up odd things like used sandals and towels and driftwood and package them up in boxes and mail them home. Or go to the airport for several days in a row with ticket in hand and have it changed to the next day because he was afraid to get on the plane (he almost has a pilot's license so it's not like he's normally afraid to fly). Once he called from our local airport and said he was scared because he was afraid people were watching him because he was hanging around the airport for no apparent reason and we said why are you there and he said I don't know and we said why don't you come home and he said ok and did. Once when I was still living with my Mom and Dad he showed up at our house at 4:00 in the morning unexpectedly and we said what are you doing here so early and he said I just thought I'd have breakfast with you today (we normally got up around 6). That was early on, one of the earliest signs something was off. If any of this type of behavior sounds familiar to Bryce's friends and family maybe that will help pinpoint what happened.

Also, is it possible to get carbon monoxide poisoning from leaving the AC and motor on when you're sleeping in a car? I know it's possible when you are doing it for heat. He obviously didn't die in the car but could he have become disoriented from that?

 

[Quester]

Wonder if BL attended all of his classes the week he went missing?

 

[nikb]

Sorry in advance for this maybe dumb question, but for me it doesn't indicates that bl's wallet was found that his I'd nor the driver's license was in it. Does it so? Never read about that.

I've wondered about this too... wallet found, but did it have his license? Card/cards? Cash? It could've been found but with all the important stuff missing.

 

[nikb]

<snipped for space and clarity> I think he wasn't in his right mind, kind of knew it at first or jnew he was seeming off and made various excuses for his behavior so people would quit bothering him.

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Yes. That includes total travel time for me.

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But dropping in is so California and you're a Californian!!

I grew up here and it's happened all the time since I could remember. I don't do it much but people still do it to me!!

And you know what's crazy? I used to have not just a fear, but a screaming, horrific and paralyzing phobia of flying. Now I just have a fear ( I had extensive treatment). But I love airports and I love travel and being able to have a drink!

Sorry for all the snips, just trying to be clear on what I'm replying to.

I agree, it seems something just wasn't quite right in how he was thinking. The "texting but no really I AM paying attention" thought has run across my mind... once again I wish we knew more about his regular behavior.

Dang... I need airport lessons from you! I suck at getting through there in under a few hours. I love airports too. Not a big fan of the whole flying part, but I do enjoy airports and traveling.

As far as dropping in - after reading your post I think even more it's a cultural/family thing. I'm 5th or 6th (I've lost track) generation Californian and I've never thought dropping in with no notice was a normal thing. I'd even feel weird dropping by either of my parents' houses without calling first. I know this isn't about me though, it's about Bryce... what's normal for him?? Do we know?