CA CA - Bryce Laspisa, 19, Castaic, 30 Aug 2013 - #4

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  • #801
About 5 hours ago, Brian posted on the FIND BRYCE FB page:
Possible head injury. IF he knows who he is, he would have made contact.
I wholeheartedly agree with that, based on how close he is to his family (he has him mom's and dad's initials tattooed on his arm, for goodness sake!). I believe he has a head injury and is "lost" at the moment. Praying the officer in Port Orford finds Bryce today!!
Counting the minutes to the next report... :hourglass:
 
  • #802
How can you tell what time the photo was taken?

Or better yet ... please let me know what time/date the photo was taken or uploaded to that site and I will add those details to the timeline. Thx

I don't know for sure what exact time it was taken or posted but I know it couldn't have been before 12:00am on Tuesday morning as he is holding a video game that wasn't released for sale until that time. I also know from looking at his account when I first heard that he was missing that it was posted to his account on the Tuesday prior to his disappearance. (Instagram tells you how many days prior to the current date the photo was posted until a week has passed and then it tells you how many weeks ago it was posted...which doesn't help much in identifying a day the more time goes by, if that makes sense?) Hope that helps!
 
  • #803
Here's a scenario, just hypothesizing here... What if the strange behavior exhibited before Bryce departed on this mysterious trek was the first symptom of a small brain bleed or other physical source of mental confusion. From this start, suddenly claiming he wanted to break up with his girlfriend, but completely out of character. Then a continued gradual decline in awareness, such as when a stroke occurs in the left hemisphere of the brain. Friends take his keys away, but they are returned, and he sets off. No sense of time, though other functions might be intact. Hanging out in Buttonwillow could represent a further decline. A person can seem normal even though something dangerous could be happening in the brain. As the condition worsens, behavior becomes more abnormal, as witnessed by the driving to the lake several times, sleeping or not sleeping, and even the "detour" off the freeway where there were "no signs" and then getting back on. Then driving to the lake and haphazardly getting the wheels over the embankment. Then the car topples, and this brain injury is exacerbated. He leaves his wallet, cell phone, and laptop, in a daze. Simply walking and walking, first to the dam, then up the hill. Catching a ride in a truck heading north, just because. Then wandering around Port Orford's park, stating "I came from the ridge" which confused the first person who saw Bryce there (if indeed it was him). Now possibly living in a homeless shelter, unaware of another life "before" and acting like a person with some brain injury/ damage.
Of course, these are just MOO, and simply one hypothesis that could fit all of the strange twists and turns since that fateful night in Northern Cal.... :(
 
  • #804
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And also, the truck was only 100 feet from the water. So contrary to the thought of yellowcamaro that his vehicle accidentally rolled backwards and off the hill, it looks like Bryce was in it and that he was, indeed, trying to get in the water:
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from dragracerz per your link>
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Originally Posted by kevsrebla View Post
If this is right it would he a long hike to the waters edge as stated in news articles that K-9 unit said happened.
Hey Kevs
I was told the water was maybe 100' from where the vehicle landed

but if you look at google map it was more than a 100 feet

This pic of google map does not show the waters edge, however lower left had corner shows approx distance> 1 inch equals about 200 feet

http://crazylife98.tumblr.com/image/61710237846

If the vehicle landed where we were told it did it was definitely much farther than 100 feet from the water's edge. I saw photos of the area his car landed that had debris from the crash on the street and it was definitely in the same area as described on this thread.
 
  • #805
In keeping with the theory in post #803, medical research shows exactly that scenario can occur withe Adderal /Vyvanse salts of amphetamine. Since Bryce admittedly took "at least one" in that 4-day period, this could relate. Here is an excerpt from a article about the effect of these prescribed legal drugs, and the link to the full article is below:
Amphetamines and their salts such a Ritalin, Concerta and Adderall are neurotoxic especially in the higher doses, as a result brain damage can occur, number of brain cells and density of brain cells can be greatly reduced. This leads to irreversible cognitive impairment. Toxic-psychosis which resembles schizophrenia occurs. In addition amphetamines are cardiotoxic due to the damage they can do to the heart. Tachycardia which results from the amphetamine speeding up the heart rate is a direct cause of Microvascular Ischemic Disease of the brain in which tiny blood vessels in the brain break which prevents oxygen from getting to the vital parts of the brain.

In addition Amphetamine causes increases in heart rate and blood pressure, and can cause significant increases in cerebral blood flow with overall increases of around 30% and can be doubled in local regions of the brain, particularly the left frontal cortex. This activity can lead to haemorrhages and other forms of stroke such as microvasular ischemia.
http://www.neldc.org/Sideeffects.html
This is my current theory ;)
 
  • #806
Absolutely correct. I posted pics on the first page of thread #2.

If we are talking about the red tower with guy wires and a "V" shaped antenna near the top, rod antenna at the very top and two white antennas near the middle, the top two antennas are not cell. They are radio or repeater antennas. I am not 100% sure about the two white antennas as cell antenna are usually in groups of three in a triangle around the tower. They could be telemetry antenna.
 
  • #807
Here's a link (I hope) to a larger map of the cell phone tower? in relation to the lake, but are we sure that's where the truck was found? https://maps.google.com/maps?q=lake...+Los+Angeles,+California+91384&gl=us&t=h&z=17
Per Yellow Camaro
"The area in which it appears a vehicle (presumably Bryce's) was stuck is BEHIND the fenced cell tower. "
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=9837961#post9837961


The location where the vehicle was found (estimation based on the only picture I saw of the accident site and the topography of the area-I used telephone poles, hills, and bushes/trees) is about where it shows in this attached picture I posted a few threads back.

ETA: I had called it a cell tower, too, but I can refer to it as an antenna hereafter. That should cover everything.
 

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  • #808
In keeping with the theory in post #803, medical research shows exactly that scenario can occur withe Adderal /Vyvanse salts of amphetamine. Since Bryce admittedly took "at least one" in that 4-day period, this could relate. Here is an excerpt from a article about the effect of these prescribed legal drugs, and the link to the full article is below:

http://www.neldc.org/Sideeffects.html
This is my current theory ;)

Taking this one step further, if that damage occurred, either prior to or during the accident, the frontal lobe damage can lead to a unique syndrome called "environmental dependency."
Closed head injuries, for example from motor vehicle accidents, can cause damage to the orbitofrontal cortex. Pre-frontal lobotomies and antipsychotics, severing connections between the pre-frontal cortex and the rest of the brain, are effectively a form of iatrogenic trauma resulting in a frontal lobe syndrome.
That is from a great, comprehensive overview of Frontal Lobe symptoms in this Wikipedia article: Frontal lobe disorder - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
and here is one particular syndrome that could be in play:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17454683
I'm on a roll.... ;)
:takeoff:
 
  • #809
http://instagram.com/p/bw4QzLsgbd/#

Such a cute couple! IMO!

http://instagram.com/p/dgfiPisgUf/#

Last known photo with his new game. :(

You know... Bryce is looking pretty pumped in that picture...

Have we discussed steroids as a possibility yet...? (Sorry... Really can't remember)

steroids do tend to make some people act "not like themselves"...KWIM?

And... Didn't someone ask if Bryce had taken some weights with him on this "mystery trip"?

Just some thoughts...
 
  • #810
Now I see some possible scenarios with going down to the boat ramp that late at night (or early morning).

One, he rolls the vehicle, cannot get out because the doors are tweaked and uses the tool to break the rear window, or he gets out a door and uses the tool to break the rear window to get something out of the bag. Then walks off, goes across the damn and then turns around and comes back...threw something into the water at the center of the dam face aka deepest point?


Since he made a willful attempt to get to one of the largest accessible bodies of water, and to the easiest egress point into the water, he was planning to coast it into the water and get rid of it, knowing from TV that a vehicle will float out for a bit before it sinks if all the doors and windows are shut...but rolls it instead and this derails his plan, so he gets whatever it was in the bag and walks out onto the dam to get rid of it, then walks back and exits the area, or tries to walk across the dam and changes his mind and walks back and exits into the park with the intent to walk uphill back to the main road and exit the area.

Or any variation or combination of the above.

Just jumping off your post... And thinking about the possibility of Bryce throwing something into the deepest part of the lake...

We still do not know the whole convo between Bryce and his GF... Correct?

what if he had asked her to marry him...

but she declined..(too young... Wait a bit... Etc.)

Bryce is heart broken... Maybe already "fragile"... He reacts by saying he wants to break the whole relationship off...

On his way down to Laguna Niguel he tells his mom he has something important to talk about with her (my words)... engagement declined?

maybe he did throw an item into the lake... Maybe it was an engagement ring?

Now... This still doesn't answer the question of where Bryce is... Though... :(

Just tossing out some ideas...
 
  • #811
W 28-Aug ~1:30pm BL told his mother he was going to break up with his girlfriend with whom he “had been so in love” for the past five months, KL said.
http://www.signalscv.com/section/36/article/104072/

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W 28-Aug ~1am Rocklin/Roseville "… we assumed he went back to his apartment at 1 a.m. …" said KL. BL returned to Roseville, where he lives, according to authorities. BL then left and was on his way to visit his parents in Southern California when he vanished.
http://hometownstation.com/santa-clarita-news/sheriffs-deputies-continue-search-missing-oc-teen-37622
www.chicoer.com/news/ci_24086325/search-continues-man-missing-trip-from-chico-orange

- - - - Later, in interview: BL’s close friend and roommate, SD, believes in his heart that he’s OK. “I think that he’s trying to find himself right now. He doesn’t want to be found,” SD said.“He left it [apartment], like he was, he only grabbing the essentials. He left everything else, like he still has most of his clothes here. His T.V. here … He told us he would come back on Labor Day.” SD referring to burning man: “[I’m] not worried because I know that though he may be having some issues right now, [but] I can’t see him doing that to himself,” SD said. “I just have hope that that’s not him.”“Bryce, just come home, man. We all miss you … family is the most important think [?thing?] right now.”
http://fox40.com/2013/09/04/roommate-hoping-for-the-best-after-sierra-college-student-goes-missing/

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I haven't heard/read anything about BL's plans to spend Labor Day with KS. Was that in KS' article interview video (that I was unable to view)?

If there was anything in the video that I should include in the timeline, that was not included in the article text, pls let me know. Thx. I still can't figure out why I'm unable to view the video. I turned off blocker, tried through IE, and still nothing.
http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Bryce-Laspisa-Missing-Person-Castaic-Lake-222226581.html

It was a mother of BL's friend from school..I believe Caron(?), whom mentioned that she herself spoke to Kim and that BL was supposed to spend Labor Day weekend with Kim at Chico. I can't find the link, so I guess someone deleted it? Not sure if I can even say this since I don't have the thread to back it up.. :/
 
  • #812
Does anyone know which way they suspected BL excited the park?
 
  • #813
OT, can anyone tell me what happened to the thread about the 4 missing girls from MN that was posted today? I knwo I posted on it and can't find it anywhere.
Thanks!

This one? MN MN - Five girls ages 11-13, Minneapolis, 30 September 2013 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

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  • #814
In keeping with the theory in post #803, medical research shows exactly that scenario can occur withe Adderal /Vyvanse salts of amphetamine. Since Bryce admittedly took "at least one" in that 4-day period, this could relate. Here is an excerpt from a article about the effect of these prescribed legal drugs, and the link to the full article is below:

http://www.neldc.org/Sideeffects.html
This is my current theory ;)

Your source there isn't exactly an unbiased scientific resource. These are drugs that can be used quite safely and have been for long periods of time in many people. They are also drugs that are dangerous when abused, as are many other pharmaceuticals. It would be incredibly unusual for someone to have a stroke or bleed from a single dose, and if they did, it wouldn't be the kind of thing you'd just walk around confused from, most likely... A motor vehicle rollover would certainly exacerbate things.
 
  • #815
Here's a scenario, just hypothesizing here... What if the strange behavior exhibited before Bryce departed on this mysterious trek was the first symptom of a small brain bleed or other physical source of mental confusion. From this start, suddenly claiming he wanted to break up with his girlfriend, but completely out of character. Then a continued gradual decline in awareness, such as when a stroke occurs in the left hemisphere of the brain. Friends take his keys away, but they are returned, and he sets off. No sense of time, though other functions might be intact. Hanging out in Buttonwillow could represent a further decline. A person can seem normal even though something dangerous could be happening in the brain. As the condition worsens, behavior becomes more abnormal, as witnessed by the driving to the lake several times, sleeping or not sleeping, and even the "detour" off the freeway where there were "no signs" and then getting back on. Then driving to the lake and haphazardly getting the wheels over the embankment. Then the car topples, and this brain injury is exacerbated. He leaves his wallet, cell phone, and laptop, in a daze. Simply walking and walking, first to the dam, then up the hill. Catching a ride in a truck heading north, just because. Then wandering around Port Orford's park, stating "I came from the ridge" which confused the first person who saw Bryce there (if indeed it was him). Now possibly living in a homeless shelter, unaware of another life "before" and acting like a person with some brain injury/ damage.
Of course, these are just MOO, and simply one hypothesis that could fit all of the strange twists and turns since that fateful night in Northern Cal.... :(

It's certainly not impossible, and in addition the medications for ADD generally elevate blood pressure, which would make the bleed or another anomaly worse.

What would he have meant by "I came from the ridge" ?

Thank you for this thoughtful post. :rose:
 
  • #816
Just jumping off your post... And thinking about the possibility of Bryce throwing something into the deepest part of the lake...

We still do not know the whole convo between Bryce and his GF... Correct?

what if he had asked her to marry him...

but she declined..(too young... Wait a bit... Etc.)

Bryce is heart broken... Maybe already "fragile"... He reacts by saying he wants to break the whole relationship off...

On his way down to Laguna Niguel he tells his mom he has something important to talk about with her (my words)... engagement declined?

maybe he did throw an item into the lake... Maybe it was an engagement ring?

Now... This still doesn't answer the question of where Bryce is... Though... :(

Just tossing out some ideas...

My personal 'jury' is still out on the gf. Just something about that news video. Something's niggling me. :twocents:
 
  • #817
It's certainly not impossible, and in addition the medications for ADD generally elevate blood pressure, which would make the bleed or another anomaly worse.

What would he have meant by "I came from the ridge" ?


Thank you for this thoughtful post. :rose:
BBM: It depends on where he was at. There are ridges all over Port Orford, which is why the statement would be confusing to someone else.
 
  • #818
I just finished going through all of Dragracerz' [DRZ] posts, added much to the timeline and found a discrepancy with our timeline which supports AnjL's earlier posts ...

On our timeline we have:

Th 29-Aug 12:30pm Buttonwillow DRZ: BL bought $39 worth of gas at the Oasis Valero Station on Lagoon Drive.

In one of DRZ's post:
Question: Originally Posted by Voice4theSilent
Dragracerz, do you know what Valero gas station and when? Would be helpful to add that to the timeline. Thank you.

DRZ' answer: I believe either just before of after the Shell gas station 10:30 PM

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So that would leave BL at the rest stop from the time he ran out of gas until sometime later in the afternoon/evening when he headed into Buttonwillow. I've made the changes on the timeline.

* * *

Small issue but further clarification by DRZ which we had reversed:
IIRC the drink was bought at Valero, gas at the shell

The timeline might show otherwise but I remember my sister saying there was a $39.50 pending charge at Shell (gas)

She also mentioned the Valero, so I assume the drink was bought there

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  • #819
I just finished going through all of Dragracerz' [DRZ] posts, added much to the timeline and found a discrepancy with our timeline which supports AnjL's earlier posts ...

On our timeline we have:

Th 29-Aug 12:30pm Buttonwillow DRZ: BL bought $39 worth of gas at the Oasis Valero Station on Lagoon Drive.

In one of DRZ's post:
Question: Originally Posted by Voice4theSilent
Dragracerz, do you know what Valero gas station and when? Would be helpful to add that to the timeline. Thank you.

DRZ' answer: I believe either just before of after the Shell gas station 10:30 PM

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - CA CA - Bryce Laspisa, 19, Castaic, 30 Aug 2013 - #1
So that would leave BL at the rest stop from the time he ran out of gas until sometime later in the afternoon/evening when he headed into Buttonwillow. I've made the changes on the timeline.

* * *

Further clarification by DRZ which we had reversed:
IIRC the drink was bought at Valero, gas at the shell

The timeline might show otherwise but I remember my sister saying there was a $39.50 pending charge at Shell (gas)

She also mentioned the Valero, so I assume the drink was bought there

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - CA CA - Bryce Laspisa, 19, Castaic, 30 Aug 2013 - #1
BBM: It could also mean he was at the rest area for X time, went into Buttonwillow proper for X time (possibly in the motel parking lot or truck stop) then got gas when he was ready to leave if he only went to the exit near Lagoon Drive (where the Shell station is on the corner of Tracy and Lagoon). Just because he got gas later in the day, it does not mean he stayed all day at the rest area.

ETA: Which brings to mind, why buy gas at one station, then go under the freeway to get a beverage at a different gas station? (Only reason I can think of is that he wanted Coke instead of Pepsi and they were out at Shell?)

Never mind. I looked at the map and answered my own question. You have to go under the freeway to get back on 5 south and you pass right by the Valero. He might have gotten gas and headed out, then decided he needed some caffeine or sugar to keep him going and stopped there. Done that myself a few times.
 
  • #820
This one? MN MN - Five girls ages 11-13, Minneapolis, 30 September 2013 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

For future reference, you can view all of your posts by clicking the little dot next to your username and choosing "find all posts by..." (you can also do this with other users, if you're looking for all posts made by someone specific). I use that a lot to find threads I've posted on, or refresh my memory if I remember who posted something but I don't remember when/which thread it was on.

thanks, I did search my own posts, that is how I figured it was pulled. It is back now as I guess it has been confirmed.


SO no MORE on this Bryce sighting? I hope he is alive and ok, hopefully he isn't on a hiatias from his life though.
 
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