CA CA - Bryce Laspisa, 19, Castaic, 30 Aug 2013 - #4

[Quester]

BBM: It could also mean he was at the rest area for X time, went into Buttonwillow proper for X time (possibly in the motel parking lot or truck stop) then got gas when he was ready to leave if he only went to the exit near Lagoon Drive (where the Shell station is on the corner of Tracy and Lagoon). Just because he got gas later in the day, it does not mean he stayed all day at the rest area.

BBM - True, but according to our holey timeline, we don't have any information/indication that he was anywhere other than the rest stop from the time he ran out of gas until he was next located by CHP during the wellness check at 9pm or 9:33pm "at a hotel" at Hwy 58 and Fwy 5 in Buttonwillow.

ETA: Besides, of course, the 2nd roadside service check which also places him at the rest stop, in the same spot, sometime "several hours after" the 12pm gas delievery.

 

[Ghostwheel]

BBM - True, but according to our holey timeline, we don't have any information/indication that he was anywhere other than the rest stop from the time he ran out of gas until he was next located by CHP during the wellness check at 9pm or 9:33pm "at a hotel" at Hwy 58 and Fwy 5 in Buttonwillow.

Then I won't be able to believe in the holey timeline, as that makes assumptions that aren't in evidence. He obviously got to Lagoon drive sometime before LE located him. I would call the time between when Christian the service guy last saw him, and the time he was found by LE in Buttonwillow "Unaccounted for time", not "time he was at the rest area". But I'm not doing the heavy lifting for the timeline like you are, so it is just MOO.

 

[Voice4theSilent]

I just finished going through all of Dragracerz' [DRZ] posts, added much to the timeline and found a discrepancy with our timeline which supports AnjL's earlier posts ...

On our timeline we have:

Th 29-Aug 12:30pm Buttonwillow DRZ: BL bought $39 worth of gas at the Oasis Valero Station on Lagoon Drive.

In one of DRZ's post:

Question: Originally Posted by Voice4theSilent
Dragracerz, do you know what Valero gas station and when? Would be helpful to add that to the timeline. Thank you.

DRZ' answer: I believe either just before of after the Shell gas station 10:30 PM
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So that would leave BL at the rest stop from the time he ran out of gas until sometime later in the afternoon/evening when he headed into Buttonwillow. I've made the changes on the timeline.

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Small issue but further clarification by DRZ which we had reversed:

IIRC the drink was bought at Valero, gas at the shell

The timeline might show otherwise but I remember my sister saying there was a $39.50 pending charge at Shell (gas)

She also mentioned the Valero, so I assume the drink was bought there
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Who knows? Dragracerz and Bryce's mom were contradicting each other so it is up in the air. She sounded pretty sure in the interview (and was the one reviewing the charges); Dragracerz was going off of memory about what he was told by his sister. Maybe put the question in the question thread?

 

[cluciano63]

thanks, I did search my own posts, that is how I figured it was pulled. It is back now as I guess it has been confirmed.


SO no MORE on this Bryce sighting? I hope he is alive and ok, hopefully he isn't on a hiatias from his life though.

If he is NOT taking a break from his life, how else could he be okay?

 

[Ghostwheel]

BBM - True, but according to our holey timeline, we don't have any information/indication that he was anywhere other than the rest stop from the time he ran out of gas until he was next located by CHP during the wellness check at 9pm or 9:33pm "at a hotel" at Hwy 58 and Fwy 5 in Buttonwillow.

ETA: Besides, of course, the 2nd roadside service check which also places him at the rest stop, in the same spot, sometime "several hours after" the 12pm gas delievery.

Not trying to be difficult, but where was it said that the gas was delivered at 12:00pm, and that the service guy came back a few hours later than that? Everything I read said that Bryce ran out of gas and called for service at 9:00am. Then that Christian the service guy checked on him at 12:30PM (which would be a few hours after a 9:30 delivery of gas, which would make sense)

BTW, Bryce's vehicle was pinged at 8:44 per the dispatch report, so his car, at least, was in Buttonwillow Proper by 8:44.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9867372&postcount=2

 

[Quester]

Then I won't be able to believe in the holey timeline, as that makes assumptions that aren't in evidence. He obviously got to Lagoon drive sometime before LE located him. I would call the time between when Christian the service guy last saw him, and the time he was found by LE in Buttonwillow "Unaccounted for time", not "time he was at the rest area". But I'm not doing the heavy lifting for the timeline like you are, so it is just MOO.

I didn't put my commentary which follows into the timeline:

So that would leave BL at the rest stop from the time he ran out of gas until sometime later in the afternoon/evening when he headed into Buttonwillow.
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There currently is some commentary/conclusions made in the timeline from KL, DRZ and possibly previous timeline compilers.

My approach to the timeline is "only the facts ma'am". HTH

 

[SCV_EagleJ]

Okay curiosity caught the cat(me)

After looking at all the maps and picture I want edit to see the area for myself. I drove up there after I picked the kids up from school. A few things intersted me.

1. The area where he pulled off is extremely random. There are quiet a few places to pull off and rest rather then the 20ft break in the guard rail. I really can't figure out where he thought he was going other then getting down to the boat ramp.

2. Where do they think he exited the park? If the car crash happened around 4:20-530 and he walked down the main road it would have taken him a long time and would have been seen by someone. And to get to a truck stop is even further. (Don't people still go fishing early in the morning?) if he walked down to the water, back up to the crash site and out of the park he definitely would have been seen. It is not a short distance.

3. If he trekked the opposite way of the lake he would have gone into open Forrest with low lying brush and small canyons. If they didn't start searching for him until after 8am when LE showed up at his parents house asking about the car. That give him a good 3 hours to wonder. I remember his uncle saying they did a search that day but did not search again for a few days which gives him even longer to wonder off.

I don't know. If the dogs were right and he went down to the water maybe he swam somewhere. If they were wrong I think he could have wondered off the other way. Was their any searches going away from the lake?

Going up there really makes me even more confused. Could there have been another car that met him coming from the other direction? I know its a long trek but still possible.

 

[AmandaFast]

There was more than 1 dog that places him going toward the lake not toward the forest. So I think it's pretty unlikely they were wrong. They may have not followed identical trails but none had him going the other direction. Even if the dogs picked up a scent that was brought there on accident from evidence being moved around, there would have been two different trails of him leading both ways in order for him to have gone to the forest area.

I feel like based on that alone he likely had to only have taken the path of the lake side and not to the right of the guard rail.

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[Quester]

Not trying to be difficult, but where was it said that the gas was delivered at 12:00pm, and that the service guy came back a few hours later than that? Everything I read said that Bryce ran out of gas and called for service at 9:00am. Then that Christian the service guy checked on him at 12:30PM (which would be a few hours after a 9:30 delivery of gas, which would make sense)

BTW, Bryce's vehicle was pinged at 8:44 per the dispatch report, so his car, at least, was in Buttonwillow Proper by 8:44.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9867372&postcount=2

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http://hometownstation.com/santa-cl...eputies-continue-search-missing-oc-teen-37622

Thanks for pointing out the time of the phone ping and BL's location. Added to timeline.

 

[SCV_EagleJ]

There was more than 1 dog that places him going toward the lake not toward the forest. So I think it's pretty unlikely they were wrong. They may have not followed identical trails but none had him going the other direction. Even if the dogs picked up a scent that was brought there on accident from evidence being moved around, there would have been two different trails of him leading both ways in order for him to have gone to the forest area.

I feel like based on that alone he likely had to only have taken the path of the lake side and not to the right of the guard rail.

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Right but I thought one of them picked up a scent backtracking to accident site.

 

[Quester]

Who knows? Dragracerz and Bryce's mom were contradicting each other so it is up in the air. She sounded pretty sure in the interview (and was the one reviewing the charges); Dragracerz was going off of memory about what he was told by his sister. Maybe put the question in the question thread?

Thx ... done.

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[Voice4theSilent]

I have a question maybe someone can answer....is Oasis Valero Gas Station and Valero Gas Station the same thing?

TIA

 

[nikb]

I have a question maybe someone can answer....is Oasis Valero Gas Station and Valero Gas Station the same thing?

TIA

I can't confirm for sure but I think they're the same thing. I think "Oasis" is sort of the independent name of the franchised gas station if that makes sense. We used to have a Valero up the street that showed up on my credit card with a name on it. I forget the exact name as it's been awhile and they're out of business now or else I'd go get gas just to check it out, but it was something like "Mark's Valero #__" as opposed to just "Valero."

 

[McSpy]

This makes a lot of sense. I am very sure at this point he made a decision to get off I5 and drive into the lake area, and when he could not make it past the gates, he looked for another access not realizing the drop off could roll the vehicle...after all, it's four wheel drive, right? Now the question is, why was it so important to get to the lake that he would drive around looking for another egress point and not finding one, enter by a very risky means and and the very real chance of a confrontation with the Park Security Staff? What is so important about that lake, the dam or the surrounding area?

Good question. I suppose the easy answer is that he wanted to take a nap by the lake. I think he was troubled about something and maybe the lake seemed like a soothing place to contemplate and chill. Yet, why take those risks (drive around gates, etc.)?? I wonder if he saw a sign for the lake on the freeway and this is why he took that exit.

 

[nikb]

This one? MN MN - Five girls ages 11-13, Minneapolis, 30 September 2013 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

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Sorry for the quick O/T but I thought we could use some good news here. All 5 girls have been found safe. I cannot even express how happy it makes me to see "Found Safe" on any thread here. Found Safe MN - Five girls ages 11-13, Minneapolis, 30 September 2013 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

Now let's have a happy ending for Bryce too! lease:

 

[McSpy]

I have red hair and blue eyes. My eyes are always dialated and I am not on any meds. My pupils are like saucers half the time and I've had people askme about them. My eyes are also very sensitive to light and Susceptible to sun damage. I don't know if it is a blue eye red hair combo thing or what.

Me too!! I'm not a red head, but I have been told many times that my (blue) eyes look dilated, especially way back in high school. Recently, my eye doctor told me he didn't have to dilate my pupils for the eye tests, because I have naturally big pupils.

 

[docbh]

The video or camera evidence of the SUV circling and the entering the ramp area... Was this just a license plate camera as some have mentioned? Is the only evidence that BL was even in the area of the crash the tracker dog observations and the blood stain in the SUV (presuming it is BL's) ...

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

However... It does look like Bryce's eyes are dilated in that "game" pic more so than in his other pics...

but... It could be the lighting (or lack of) affecting his pupils...

JMO

 

[AnjL]

Who knows? Dragracerz and Bryce's mom were contradicting each other so it is up in the air. She sounded pretty sure in the interview (and was the one reviewing the charges); Dragracerz was going off of memory about what he was told by his sister. Maybe put the question in the question thread?

I agree there is a discrepancy between what Dragracerz told us and what mom said on radio interview. However, I am more inclined to believe that he had gas delivered by Christian, waited at rest stop for several hours, Christian came to check on him again later. Then he left and went to town of Buttonwillow, got gas and soda and was at hotel at 9pm when LE found him. My reasoning behind this is that when I look at my ATM transactions online, it tells me only the date the transaction cleared, not the time. I think maybe mom was nervous and tired during the interview and meant 12:30 was when gas was delivered. I also have a hard time believing that Bryce would have got back on the I5 going north, passed the northbound rest stop, got off at the next exit, traveled several more miles and went back to the southbound rest stop...but then again anything is possible at this point.

I sure hope the OR sighting pans out and that he is home safe soon!

 

[AnjL]

There was more than 1 dog that places him going toward the lake not toward the forest. So I think it's pretty unlikely they were wrong. They may have not followed identical trails but none had him going the other direction. Even if the dogs picked up a scent that was brought there on accident from evidence being moved around, there would have been two different trails of him leading both ways in order for him to have gone to the forest area.

I feel like based on that alone he likely had to only have taken the path of the lake side and not to the right of the guard rail.

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I'd be more apt to believe the trail of the scent dogs that had an untainted article of Bryce's clothing. IIRC the first scent dogs were using articles of clothing from the vehicle. We don't know for certain who all was in the vehicle after the wreck, nor who else came upon the vehicle afterwards. The last dogs who tacked his sent leaving the park were using untainted clothing that the girlfriend provided a week later. JMO