CA CA - Bryce Laspisa, 19, Castaic, 30 Aug 2013 - #6

[Quester]

If he has pics of it then there isn't much else to say. Don't know what the drag marks up the dirt hill were then. That's a pretty gnarly roll to just walk away from. I didn't see the tow truck myself as I've stated before I only saw the drag marks and asked and was told. If it was totaled from that type of roll over how in the world did he just walk away? That's a tough fall/roll to just climb out and roll. My question is doesn't that SUV have side curtain airbags? Why didn't try deploy with a heavy roll of a 3000 LB SUV? That just seems like a miracle that he walked away and was able to hike down the side of the dam. That is very confusing. Now I wonder if he wasn't in the SUV when it came to rest at the bottom of the road. That's pretty crazy actually he must've been freaked out.

Re: side airbags - IIRC, someone looked up the make and model and found that it did not have side airbags.

And, thanks to you too, drag! :wink: :giggle:

 

[AzPistonsGirl]

unless Bryce was not in the vehicle when it rolled/slid/made its was down the hill.

 

[BluePoppy]

- - - - Reporter Steve Gregory said (in 10/2 Bill Carroll podcast): SUV wasn’t really that badly wrecked -when up-righted, it was drivable. There was a "spider web crack” in the SUV's front windshield. The SUV “fell onto its side, the passenger's side, and there were little droplets of blood on the panel of the passenger's side door, indicating that whatever injury he sustained, when he hit the window, maybe a nosebleed or a cut on the forehead, that the blood dripped down to the panel of the door, and then he was able to get himself free somehow, and get out of the vehicle. The injury itself probably wasn’t that major. http://www.kfiam640.com/media/podcast-bill-carroll-on-demand-BillCarroll/bryce-laspisas-sighting-12p-102-23789878/
@ dragracerz

BBM - In the opening for your recent radio appearance, the reporter said "SUV wasn’t really that badly wrecked -when up-righted, it was drivable." You just stated SUV was totaled. Which is correct? TIA

RE: SUV crash location and towed uphill - Why are Riverking and AF's accounts so different than yours? TIA

So I would surmise from the above BBM that the SUV may have rolled all the way down the hill on it's wheels until it hit the drop at the bottom going onto Main Ramp Rd & was not completely destroyed. Thinking of many pics of "multiple roll over" accidents, those cars are completely crushed all the way around & the occupants usually pinned inside needing to be extricated by the fire department. It does not sound like that is what happened.

 

[AmandaFast]

OK so unfortunately it appears the volunteers on scene were telling a completely different story and were looking in a completely different area.

I am going back in a little bit and will be searching near the CORRECT area and attempting to track in the correct area on Main Ramp Rd.

Dragz gave me some info that I can use to track him possibly and I'm a go!

I promise to bring back awesome pictures of everything so there's no more question involved. I'll get one from the tower looking down. And then attempt one from Main Ramp Rd looking up.

Let's pray that I find him or some kind of clue. If I have internet I'll try to real time post.

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[Riverking21]

Re: side airbags - IIRC, someone looked up the make and model and found that it did not have side airbags.

And, thanks to you too, drag! :wink: :giggle:

Answers that question. I know people brought up the front airbag and maybe someone with more experience with cars can answer what causes the front airbags to deploy? Would a roll over and a fall if a cliff not deploy them at all? I'm actually in shock that it was on the ramp road from that point. I've seen the hill and stood at the cell tower and that is a heavy fall. I'm surprised he walked away from that and was able to hike/walk down the side of the dam to the lower lagoon where the dogs tracked his scent. Man that makes it even more confusing. Amanda is gonna go take good pics in a little bit so she can post them and show you guys. I'm actually pretty surprised that is where it was. Nobody knew about photos and seeing the soft dirt ditch and the huge drag marks and asking and being told it made a lot more sense. But now I'm changing my stance on his potential injury and state of mind after. Oh boy. :/

 

[BluePoppy]

OK so unfortunately it appears the volunteers on scene were telling a completely different story and were looking in a completely different area.

I am going back in a little bit and will be searching near the CORRECT area and attempting to track in the correct area on Main Ramp Rd.

Dragz gave me some info that I can use to track him possibly and I'm a go!

I promise to bring back awesome pictures of everything so there's no more question involved. I'll get one from the tower looking down. And then attempt one from Main Ramp Rd looking up.

Let's pray that I find him or some kind of clue. If I have internet I'll try to real time post.

Sent from my SPH-L710 using Tapatalk 2

So where were the initial searchers looking??? What were they told?

If you can, get a few pics of the actual drop off where he landed. Maybe park your car next to the drop & take a pic for angle & distance perspective. And the paint marks on the ground showing tire locations (if still there) and looking from the accident spot down towards the water. What would Bryce have seen getting out of the car? Thanks!

 

[RoseGarden]

Answers that question. I know people brought up the front airbag and maybe someone with more experience with cars can answer what causes the front airbags to deploy? Would a roll over and a fall if a cliff not deploy them at all? I'm actually in shock that it was on the ramp road from that point. I've seen the hill and stood at the cell tower and that is a heavy fall. I'm surprised he walked away from that and was able to hike/walk down the side of the dam to the lower lagoon where the dogs tracked his scent. Man that makes it even more confusing. Amanda is gonna go take good pics in a little bit so she can post them and show you guys. I'm actually pretty surprised that is where it was. Nobody knew about photos and seeing the soft dirt ditch and the huge drag marks and asking and being told it made a lot more sense. But now I'm changing my stance on his potential injury and state of mind after. Oh boy. :/

Agreed, it is a huge fall. From my own experience, shock is a wonderful, incredible, amazing thing. I felt no pain, I walked for more than a mile, and I didn't think anything was wrong with me (until the gas station attendant was afraid to let me use the phone as I had glass EVERYWHERE (yes, everywhere). Shock would and most likely did give Bryce the feeling that he as okay, plus a compelling feeling that he should walk somewhere. Fast. shock would later wear off, and he would (the next day, most likely) be very banged up, bruised, and even have a concussion. It's the concussion that I worry about...

 

[Riverking21]

I just texted Amanda the pics I have maybe she can upload them before she goes so you guys can see. You can see down the hill but can't see the road below it and you can see the tire marks.

 

[Quester]

Answers that question. I know people brought up the front airbag and maybe someone with more experience with cars can answer what causes the front airbags to deploy? Would a roll over and a fall if a cliff not deploy them at all? I'm actually in shock that it was on the ramp road from that point. I've seen the hill and stood at the cell tower and that is a heavy fall. I'm surprised he walked away from that and was able to hike/walk down the side of the dam to the lower lagoon where the dogs tracked his scent. Man that makes it even more confusing. Amanda is gonna go take good pics in a little bit so she can post them and show you guys. I'm actually pretty surprised that is where it was. Nobody knew about photos and seeing the soft dirt ditch and the huge drag marks and asking and being told it made a lot more sense. But now I'm changing my stance on his potential injury and state of mind after. Oh boy. :/

RE: airbag discussions - see links, click on thread in upper right corner to see past discussions on topic, BBM:

F 8/30/13 btw 4:20 & 5:15am Castaic Lake SUV CRASHED: The crash had to happen between 4:20 a.m. and 5:15 a.m. when law enforcement arrived for a training exercise, KL said. It had gone down a 15-foot ravine nose first and landed on the passenger side. BL (or someone) used an emergency tool to break the back window. Or, back window shattered as a result of the crash.
KL: Airbag/s did not deploy.
DRZ: Keys were in the SUV/ignition.
http://hometownstation.com/santa-cl...eputies-continue-search-missing-oc-teen-37622
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- - - - DRZ: The way I heard it was the vehicle went around the gate (didn't hit it) and missed the cell tower and veered toward the drop off. That leads me to believe it was going straight and one side dropped off causing it to roll.
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- - - - DRZ: One strange thing that was observed was that in the tire marks, there were mounds of dirt behind point of travel as to indicate acceleration NOT braking. Now, again, this could be a last minute effort to "save" the vehicle from going over OR one to dump it.
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- - - - DRZ: … we know he was in the car at one point, guessing that he was at time of crash.
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- - - - DRZ: The car rolled more than once (multiple) # not known.
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- - - - DRZ: Also the vehicle came down on the nose, not on the rear as stated by someone else, it rolled, but landed on nose, then rested on passenger side.
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- - - - DRZ: The airbags didn't deploy in Bryces car because there was no front end collision, the car rolled.
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[SDHELPS]

Answers that question. I know people brought up the front airbag and maybe someone with more experience with cars can answer what causes the front airbags to deploy? Would a roll over and a fall if a cliff not deploy them at all? I'm actually in shock that it was on the ramp road from that point. I've seen the hill and stood at the cell tower and that is a heavy fall. I'm surprised he walked away from that and was able to hike/walk down the side of the dam to the lower lagoon where the dogs tracked his scent. Man that makes it even more confusing. Amanda is gonna go take good pics in a little bit so she can post them and show you guys. I'm actually pretty surprised that is where it was. Nobody knew about photos and seeing the soft dirt ditch and the huge drag marks and asking and being told it made a lot more sense. But now I'm changing my stance on his potential injury and state of mind after. Oh boy. :/

Re: Airbag deployment this information is in Questers timeline link. Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - CA CA - Bryce Laspisa, 19, Castaic, 30 August 2013 - #5

"DRZ: Also the vehicle came down on the nose, not on the rear as stated by someone else, it rolled, but landed
on nose, then rested on passenger side.
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- - - - DRZ: The airbags didn't deploy in Bryces car because there was no front end collision, the car rolled."

Hope it helps

ETA: Quester beat me to it and did a better job

 

[BluePoppy]

Agreed, it is a huge fall. From my own experience, shock is a wonderful, incredible, amazing thing. I felt no pain, I walked for more than a mile, and I didn't think anything was wrong with me (until the gas station attendant was afraid to let me use the phone as I had glass EVERYWHERE (yes, everywhere). Shock would and most likely did give Bryce the feeling that he as okay, plus a compelling feeling that he should walk somewhere. Fast. shock would later wear off, and he would (the next day, most likely) be very banged up, bruised, and even have a concussion. It's the concussion that I worry about...

This is true. I posted about an accident I'd had several threads ago, but basically, as soon as the car stopped moving, my first instinct was to run as far away from the car as possible because I was paranoid it would catch fire & explode. I even remember looking at my purse sitting on the passenger seat & didn't want to take 1 extra second to grab it. I ran (not far down the freeway) until I collapsed & stopped breathing. And I didn't even have a head injury. I was released from the ER a couple hours later, but remembered nothing after I passed out until a while after waking up in the ER.

 

[cluciano63]

Maybe LE did not want photos released since originally it was thought he could be the murder victim found nearby.

 

[lillygator]

are there any police reports available at all? I think I asked in the last thread and then never followed up if there was an answer.

 

[Riverking21]

Re: side airbags - IIRC, someone looked up the make and model and found that it did not have side airbags.

And, thanks to you too, drag! :wink: :giggle:

Re: Airbag deployment this information is in Questers timeline link. Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - CA CA - Bryce Laspisa, 19, Castaic, 30 August 2013 - #5

"DRZ: Also the vehicle came down on the nose, not on the rear as stated by someone else, it rolled, but landed
on nose, then rested on passenger side.
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- - - - DRZ: The airbags didn't deploy in Bryces car because there was no front end collision, the car rolled."

Hope it helps

ETA: Quester beat me to it and did a better job

Lol it doesn't help read the last 2 points? For instance there is a video online of a car parked at a stop sign the guy honks at this little old she hits the front of her car with her purse and the airbag deploys. Now if it went front first from that impact wouldn't that set them off? This thing fell of a cliff and nothing? That's how I'm confused. I guess you have to see the pics of the hill to see what I'm saying.

 

[RDW]

So that puts it back to this scenario. I agree with RK. This takes the whole thought process in a different direction.

 

[nikb]

"Totalled" is a term for insurance purposes that only means the cost to repair exceeds the value of the vehicle. It could easily be drivable & "totalled". I bought a "totalled" car from a guy who buys from auctions, does bodywork repair & resells for profit. It had been sideswiped while parked & was fine.

Bryce's car was 10 yrs old. Low blue book value = not much damage needed to be totalled.

I was about to say the same thing. My husband's "totaled" truck is still being driven 10 years later by the friend who bought it from him. This is just a guess but I'm betting Bryce would've tried to keep driving if he could've (i.e. if it landed right side up).

 

[Riverking21]

This is true. I posted about an accident I'd had several threads ago, but basically, as soon as the car stopped moving, my first instinct was to run as far away from the car as possible because I was paranoid it would catch fire & explode. I even remember looking at my purse sitting on the passenger seat & didn't want to take 1 extra second to grab it. I ran (not far down the freeway) until I collapsed & stopped breathing. And I didn't even have a head injury. I was released from the ER a couple hours later, but remembered nothing after I passed out until a while after waking up in the ER.

Yeah the flight or fight deal. We had an accident here about 11 years ago where some of my friends were killed and my buddy got out of the car ran to the side of the road and was yelling he was ok and then collapsed and died right away. It was terrible. But I can see that instinct taking over I'm still just having a hard time seeing him walk all the way down the side of the dam to the water swim across and exit the park? And that impact didn't deploy the airbag. Still a head scratcher. It goes with injury and mindset afterwards.

 

[SDHELPS]

Lol it doesn't help read the last 2 points? For instance there is a video online of a car parked at a stop sign the guy honks at this little old she hits the front of her car with her purse and the airbag deploys. Now if it went front first from that impact wouldn't that set them off? This thing fell of a cliff and nothing? That's how I'm confused. I guess you have to see the pics of the hill to see what I'm saying.

I completely agree...so which is it? Simply adding more info that doesn't make sense :banghead: lol

 

[AmandaFast]

Hopefully this is going to work, here are Riverking's pictures.

 

[Quester]

Maybe LE did not want photos released since originally it was thought he could be the murder victim found nearby.

LE knew immediately upon seeing burning man that he was not BL.

But, LE might have some reason for not releasing those photos or media just arrived too late get the photos with SUV in place. ???