CA CA - Bryce Laspisa, 19, Castaic, 30 Aug 2013 - #6

[dragracerz]

Disclaimer that I am not to the end of the newest posts yet, and this was mentioned more than once but bears repeating -

these "tracks" that we are assuming are from Bryce's vehicle - it seems like there is no way that one pass through the area is enough to cause all that brush and dry grassy stufff to lay down like it is.

IMO - It already was a bit of a "path" there - sorta cleared (i.e., the grass and brush pressed down enough to show a path) by other vehicles that had traversed that same "path".

Can't imagine why other vehicles would also drive that "path" down the hill, unless it is a spot where vehicles are routinely "jumped" for a thrill? (not suggesting this at all, just seems like there was already a path there and that those "tracks" couldn't have resulted from one vehicle driving there one time.

And I admit - I had been leaning toward Bryce being in the lake/lagoon this whole time and have just today, after reading last night's posts, started to wonder if maybe indeed he was very worried about having to be drug-tested after this "accident" and went off to lay low for a while... which leads me to thinking he was disoriented and angry at himself, and well... coupled with a head injury... in the lagoon/lake. So I am back where I was, but took a different path to get to the same conclusion.

I am glad to know there will be another thorough water search - not soon enough, but soon. And I hate to express anything other than hope that Bryce is alive and well, but it has been a long time...

So much love to his family, friends and everyone who has come to know and love Bryce as this has unfolded...

I believe the "tracks" you are seeing at the top are from trucks that service the cell tower. Remember, the service people go there when it is light and probably more maneuverable

 

[AmandaFast]

I think your car might be an exception. If forensics were to search my car, they would not find my blood.

Bryce only had this car for about 1 year, it was his parents before that.

Maybe I am wrong, but I don't think there is any validity speculating that the blood was there prior to the crash

I've had my car 6 years and can guarantee there's not a single drop of blood anywhere in my car....

I agree, I don't get where the "the blood could be from previous" or "maybe he wasn't driving" are coming from. Is there something I'm missing? I don't see any clues that point to either of these things.

 

[BluePoppy]

Here are pics of the vehicle.
Note: Windshield not broken
paint on tires match paint on road



Hopefully this will confirm to everyone that car went down the hill and was found on road

I have no doubt it was found on the road.

From these pics, it appears that the top of the vehicle is in tact & therefore did not roll on that side. Which leads me to think the front, rear & obviously passenger side damage is from going over the drop/cliff, but that there was no 360 deg rolling up on the hill coming down from the cell tower.

 

[RoseGarden]

A 19 year old could only clear the history. LASD had computer forensics check it by removing hard drive and analyzing it. Not to say that they missed something but I think it was checked thoroughly.

However, I will be sending it to another expert when we get it back

One question regarding that laptop: Did it have the Madden game installed on that one? Thanks, dragracerz, for all of your time and energy and patience...

 

[jpsnaggs]

He has to be in or around the lake.

Unless this is some crazy, super well planned, top secret idea, that took months to plan. I don't think him and his friend could have pulled it off. Especially nothing being on the computer and phone. They would have slipped up somewhere. JMO

It would seem to be that way.... I never really thought it was a "plan" but just sort of happened, but either way there would be some sort of slip up somewhere.

 

[BluePoppy]

It would seem to be that way.... I never really thought it was a "plan" but just sort of happened, but either way there would be some sort of slip up somewhere.

Is there anything back from AT&T on transcripts of text messages subpoenaed?

 

[2Hope4]

I think your car might be an exception. If forensics were to search my car, they would not find my blood.

Bryce only had this car for about 1 year, it was his parents before that.

Maybe I am wrong, but I don't think there is any validity speculating that the blood was there prior to the crash

I'd hate to see what they would say about mine! My daughter took the sheep to the vet in my van.. yes the VAN! A police officer pulled her over to see what was in the van! LOL! Of course she got no ticket, but he couldn't figure out what was in there so pulled her over... And ummm, sheep isn't potty trained... :blushing:

 

[quesarita]

Just questions, no answers:
What was Bryce doing in Buttonwillow for 12+ hours?

A. Meeting someone / waiting for someone
1. Someone who left no trace on Bryce’s phone or laptop?
2. If he had a 2nd pay-as-you-go phone, was it a secret from all his friends as well as his family?
3. Someone he met while online gaming? Are there records of who he was playing online games with stored somewhere?
4. If one of his older friends, would they really not contact his family after all this?

B. Sleeping in his car
1. sleeping with the car engine on and AC running? Does anyone actually do that?
I drove San Francisco to San Diego on July 30 on I5 with no AC at all. While being in the car, driving was hellishly hot, when we stopped for a bit and sat outside the car in the shade, it was relatively comfortable.
2. I recall the gas delivery man Christian reportedly said that Bryce was not IN the car, either the first or second time he saw him at the rest stop.

C. Playing video games on his laptop, with or w/o wifi
1. should be easy to verify since laptop hard drive has been checked?

D. Just sitting, thinking, possibly delaying reaching Laguna Niguel
1. was Laguna Niguel his intended destination when he set out?
a. His family did not expect him
b. But he was headed in the direction of their house
2. Buttonwillow was the spot he stopped because that’s where he ran out of gas?
a. Maybe he ran out of gas emotionally same time as the car ran out?
b. Hard to imagine that’s a place to choose to rendezvous
c. No reason to drive from northern Cal to Buttonwillow if looking for drugs

 

[ShannonS]

I've had my car 6 years and can guarantee there's not a single drop of blood anywhere in my car....

I agree, I don't get where the "the blood could be from previous" or "maybe he wasn't driving" are coming from. Is there something I'm missing? I don't see any clues that point to either of these things.

my only point was that people bleed... small cuts, nose bleeds, etc. we think we clean it all up but invariably some is missed. there were only drops found - a miniscule amount after such a horrific descent. hopefully that means he wasn't severely injured is all. not an argument with anyone... just an observation.

 

[2Hope4]

Seeing the route on a map that the dogs tracked... WOW... that's one heck of a journey!! I bet his adrenaline was flowing rather heavily at that point. Seeing the vehicle made me cry. I guess it just makes this whole situation seem so real, instead of 'a case of a missing person'. WOW... tears flowing...

 

[Quester]

@ dragracerz

Is it true that Bryce's roommate, Sean, was planning on moving out of their shared apartment in the beginning of October?

And, Bryce knew, before Bryce went missing, about Sean's plans to move ? TIA

 

[BluePoppy]

Seeing the route on a map that the dogs tracked... WOW... that's one heck of a journey!! I bet his adrenaline was flowing rather heavily at that point. Seeing the vehicle made me cry. I guess it just makes this whole situation seem so real, instead of 'a case of a missing person'. WOW... tears flowing...

Yep. Exactly. On all points.

 

[lillygator]

I would want to get my own hands on the computer to see if I could see anything that looked unusual for him.

 

[AmandaFast]

my only point was that people bleed... small cuts, nose bleeds, etc. we think we clean it all up but invariably some is missed. there were only drops found - a miniscule amount after such a horrific descent. hopefully that means he wasn't severely injured is all. not an argument with anyone... just an observation.

I see what you mean however 14 drops is kind of a lot to be accidentally left behind from before. If airbags didn't deploy (which they didn't) and neither the roof or the door caved in (now we see this in pictures) there's really no reason to believe he didn't walk from this accident in pretty good shape.

 

[lillygator]

Dragracerz stated he wasn't at a hotel/motel and wasn't in the parking lot either. Your guess is as good as mine as to why the dispatch report states he was at a hotel. That's bad reporting on LE's part. I spoke to several and asked if they would report he was "at a hotel" if he was parked on a street and the hotel was the closest physical building to where he was located and they said absolutely not, they would indicate he was found in his car on XXXX street. Maybe that's just the way they do it in Kern County?

the officer had to pull him over somewhere.....I don't understand the discrepency.

 

[RDW]

i'd pull into the driveway but back out rather than drive forward... if my intent was truly to turn around.

Why back up or do a u-turn? Where is your sense of adventure? I cannot for the life of me, come up with a scenario where I would head down a steep unfamiliar hill in the dark.

Scene: Turn into antenna site to rest, contemplate life, hide, wait for friend, blow a doobie or make a simple u-turn. You get stuck and are unable to return to Lake Hughes Road. Figuring for a solo occupant.

Normal solution:

A. Call for help. Tow, CHP, Sheriffs, friend, parents.
B. You walk for help. Sub-station, rangers.
C. Maybe you can drive down. You walk down the hill and scout the terrain. ooops, big drop-off at the end. No can do.
D. Wait and flag someone down.


Not normal solution:

A. No terrain check...Go for it...Drive down and end up on the road on your side.
B. Walk down hill to check terrain, see drop-off and still decide to drive down. Ending up on the road on your side.

The in-between, not the smartest solution.

A. The car is stuck in soft dirt either parallel to or perp to slope. Get out move dirt from around traction tires and gravity takes over. Away she goes un-manned.
B. Turns into site comes down the right side of tower enclosure. As it gets steeper you say "DOH, this is steep better stop". However, you are on a steep slope and tall dry grass. When you hit the brakes...Nothing happens..Because you are skidding on the slick grass. You try to stop the forward momentum by turning the wheel left or right.. You roll one complete revolution, nose is pointing down. Holding on for dear life at this point, you end up on the road below.
C. Same scenario as B. Except when you realize that the car is not going to stop, you jump out. The car continues down the hill unmanned.

The tweener C. scenario is a strong possibility. Anyone who has driven a golf cart on an incline and hit the brakes knows what I'm talking about. Throw a little early mornig dew in...No stopping just sliding. I have both rolled a cart and jumped from a cart that was sliding on a hill. The B scenario there is a lot of brushy area where I would think the brakes would catchat some point before the drop-off.

 

[jpsnaggs]

He was shown driving Eastbound on Lake Hughes (if the camera that was posted several threads ago is the correct one) at 2:08am and then again at 4:20am. He could have turned around 10 feet beyond the camera and spent the next 2 hours and 12 minutes anywhere west of the camera or he could have stayed in the area east of the camera for a longer period of time up to right before it was caught on tape entering back into that area at 4:20am....or anything in between. I assume all other cameras in the area including 7-11, stores, gas stations, lake, etc. were reviewed by LE. I also assume if they found him on tape anywhere we won't get that information.

This is sooooo strange to me. I am sure I am not the only one who thinks this is more than just weird.

 

[AmandaFast]

the officer had to pull him over somewhere.....I don't understand the discrepency.

The discrepency is because his location was found via cell phone ping, so the GPS coordinates must I guess have been closest to a hotel. I'm still confused as to this, but I do know that pings are only precise up to 1km.

 

[Quester]

the officer had to pull him over somewhere.....I don't understand the discrepency.

Maybe you missed earlier, lengthy discussions on this topic.?.

Or didn't read the timeline?

 

[lillygator]

was that fresh paint on the road? how did it get on both tires?