CA CA - Bryce Laspisa, 19, Castaic, 30 Aug 2013 - #6

[lillygator]

Maybe you missed earlier, lengthy discussions on this topic.?.

I must have>?? lol....this thing is moving fast!

 

[RoseGarden]

the officer had to pull him over somewhere.....I don't understand the discrepency.

He wasn't pulled over. He was parked...

 

[deicide]

Hi all, since I got no further conclusions or suggestions I decide to stay in the background. Nevertheless I keep looking all over the world for news of people who got found. Unfortunately a lot of cases wasn't updated. I must admit after I came across this my heart skipped a beat.http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2013/10/cleveland_police_suspect_drug.html

 

[CatFancier]

If there were 14 drops of blood and some were so small they had to be marked, it almost seems like blood spatter. Maybe he hit his head and a small amount of blood sprayed.

 

[quesarita]

Or bit his lip or cheek.

 

[lillygator]

ok, now I am between, he's there somewhere and hasn't been found, or someone helped him out....I am not sure how feasible it would be on his own.....??

 

[AmandaFast]

If there were 14 drops of blood and some were so small they had to be marked, it almost seems like blood spatter. Maybe he hit his head and a small amount of blood sprayed.

My husband hit his nose on the steering wheel recently in his accident, and there was spatter in quite a few places. They were all smaller type dots but definitely in a pattern from impact. I wonder if it was his nose.

 

[2Hope4]

Ever cut your finger or hand in the kitchen? I have, and for whatever reason, tend to shake the injured finger/hand every time, and blood splatters. Tiny drops..but splatter.

Oh Bryce, please be found, and come home soon!!!!

 

[ShannonS]

Why back up or do a u-turn? Where is your sense of adventure? I cannot for the life of me, come up with a scenario where I would head down a steep unfamiliar hill in the dark.

Scene: Turn into antenna site to rest, contemplate life, hide, wait for friend, blow a doobie or make a simple u-turn. You get stuck and are unable to return to Lake Hughes Road. Figuring for a solo occupant.

Normal solution:

A. Call for help. Tow, CHP, Sheriffs, friend, parents.
B. You walk for help. Sub-station, rangers.
C. Maybe you can drive down. You walk down the hill and scout the terrain. ooops, big drop-off at the end. No can do.
D. Wait and flag someone down.


Not normal solution:

A. No terrain check...Go for it...Drive down and end up on the road on your side.
B. Walk down hill to check terrain, see drop-off and still decide to drive down. Ending up on the road on your side.

The in-between, not the smartest solution.

A. The car is stuck in soft dirt either parallel to or perp to slope. Get out move dirt from around traction tires and gravity takes over. Away she goes un-manned.
B. Turns into site comes down the right side of tower enclosure. As it gets steeper you say "DOH, this is steep better stop". However, you are on a steep slope and tall dry grass. When you hit the brakes...Nothing happens..Because you are skidding on the slick grass. You try to stop the forward momentum by turning the wheel left or right.. You roll one complete revolution, nose is pointing down. Holding on for dear life at this point, you end up on the road below.
C. Same scenario as B. Except when you realize that the car is not going to stop, you jump out. The car continues down the hill unmanned.

The tweener C. scenario is a strong possibility. Anyone who has driven a golf cart on an incline and hit the brakes knows what I'm talking about. Throw a little early mornig dew in...No stopping just sliding. I have both rolled a cart and jumped from a cart that was sliding on a hill. The B scenario there is a lot of brushy area where I would think the brakes would catchat some point before the drop-off.

haha! i have a great sense of adventure done some pretty, um.... dumdum stuff in my day, including your in-between C. scenario. almost rolled a golf cart too but recovered

thank you for this post! you paint some easy to follow scenarios.

 

[SDHELPS]

If there were 14 drops of blood and some were so small they had to be marked, it almost seems like blood spatter. Maybe he hit his head and a small amount of blood sprayed.

I'm just amazed that we would not have more significant injuries after seeing the pictures of the car. I truly hope they find more evidence with the KlaasKids search :moo:

 

[Jo in Calif]

This is the search path of the bloodhounds I couldn't get to load last night

Not that knowledgeable about how blood hounds search, but why would they pick up his scent on Lake Hughes road and down the course his Suv took?
This map shows that is where the blood hounds started and went all the way down the mountain? If he had not gotten out of the SUV at the top, wouldn't they have only picked up his scent after the crash, at the bottom?

 

[Trackergd]

If there were 14 drops of blood and some were so small they had to be marked, it almost seems like blood spatter. Maybe he hit his head and a small amount of blood sprayed.

I agree. Since it was reported there was a spider web in the windshield, I suspect he received a minor cut on the forehead on the windshield. Due to the roller-coaster ride down the hill with an impact stop, this is standard, even with lap and shoulder belts. A bloody nose is also not out of the question. I suspect he had a rather nasty bruise on the forehead and some pain from the belts judging from the nature of the impact and roll.

 

[lillygator]

I'm just amazed that we would not have more significant injuries after seeing the pictures of the car. I truly hope they find more evidence with the KlaasKids search :moo:

and the front windshield looked fine, I wonder if the police broke the windows more, to clean them up so to speak....

 

[dragracerz]

Not that knowledgeable about how blood hounds search, but why would they pick up his scent on Lake Hughes road and down the course his Suv took?
This map shows that is where the blood hounds started and went all the way down the mountain? If he had not gotten out of the SUV at the top, wouldn't they have only picked up his scent after the crash, at the bottom?

I was in a rush to make that and incorrectly drew the line.


The bloodhounds actually started from where the vehicle was found, on the road, not the top by the cell tower.

 

[Niner]

wanted to post a couple of thought on the posts from last night...

I still think the sighting in Oregon have some merit. Although we haven't heard much from that front in a week so maybe he caught wind? Maybe he's contacted a "friend" to help him out. I can't imagine he doesn't know anyone's #? I still think he was waiting in Buttonwillow for someone. Who why? Who knows yet. This has me beyond frustrated. I was feeling more confident until Dragz confirmed where the SUV was that he was health wise ok now I'm not so sure. :/ Bryce please contact someone one of us if you don't want to contact your family just let them know you are ok.

thinking out loud... maybe a friend from Sierra College who lives in Buttonwillow? instead of using internet - "talking" to him at school? or even a "her"...

So per mod, putting things aside that we can't talk about and we've re-hashed where the SUV landed (and were corrected by dragracerz) what are the theories?

I still believe he is alive. The accident may have been just that and it might have been the last straw. I think he was under a lot of pressure from family about (things) and school, school it self, making new friends, trying to fit in, new to area, grades, and so on. He may have been on a unplanned trip that his parents did not know about until he ran out of gas. The over protection of family was just to much and he decided to take off. He had to have had help and that is what he was waiting for in Buttonwillow. So where did he go?

I too believe he is still alive somewhere! Any more updates from Oregon? I haven't finished reading the rest of the posts from this morning - so I will look to see if there is!

So I went back up there today and there are definitely car tracks from the antennae 100 ft or so to the 15 ft dropoff. I dont see how the car could have gotten there unless there was someone inside driving it. There are parts that are fairly level along the way and I dont think it would have gotten to the dropoff without someone inside the car pushing the gas pedal. I took some pictures if people want them, I just need to figure where to upload them first. I also walked around the lake. Its a huge area and there is a lot of heavy thick chaparrel around the lake. If he went off trail and passed out or hurt himself, I think it would be very difficult for a helicopter or people on foot to see him. Also it sounds like 2 out of 3 sets of search dogs tracked him to the lake and then lost the scent. Which seems to indicate that he is in the lake, no?

re bold - but one of the dogs had him going "out of the park" per Dragracerz...

3 people were arrested for the burning body murder.

Homicide are part of missing persons...the radio interview with Bryces Mum explained it a bit more..

Sorry can't do links from this tablet.

I'm trying to find anything related to the car,I think caught on camera that was in the same area as Bryce 5mins before/after crash??...... it is in thread 1 page 2 post #33 ....I'm looking at the fb pages now..

re bold - those were two fishermen - already have talked with LE.

The search on 10/20 should be interesting as this is the same day the LOVE ride is held. For those of you not in the area it is an annual fund raising event whereby THOUSANDS of bikers ride from a starting point and end at Castaic Lake. Once at the lake there are bands, vendors, booze, etc. It's a great time if you're a biker but probably not so much if you're there for SAR.

Well, that is sort of good - more people in the area - might come up with 'something' if he IS still there hurt somewhere...

 

[SDHELPS]

and the front windshield looked fine, I wonder if the police broke the windows more, to clean them up so to speak....

I believe Dragracerz stated that the front windshield had no visible cracks...will have to go back and find it.

 

[Trackergd]

I was in a rush to make that and incorrectly drew the line.


The bloodhounds actually started from where the vehicle was found, on the road, not the top by the cell tower.

Starting from the wreck site to the end, the scent trail makes sense to me now.

 

[scmom]

Doesn't that path end very close to the police building? It looks like Bryce would have walked approximately 3 miles.

 

[Trackergd]

There were 3 dog searches:

1. SAR dogs went to lake ruled that they followed scent, not Bryces

2. Bloodhounds - used shoes and socks that were carefully collected as instructed by LE by Bryces girlfriend, and were sent overnight viaFedEx
Bloodhounds traced Bryce from car, to over dam, south towards exiting park. See pic I previously posted

3. Private cadaver dog - no results

That and the scent trail map tied with the pictures you posted of the vehicle all tie together and present a very clear picture of what transpired that night, at least to me.

The only mystery now is what he did when he exited the park.

 

[sreshowtime]

Dragz- maybe you could clarify please?
Okay there were dogs used 7- 10 days after the fact...that supposedly wound up over on the far side of the lagoon.
What about dogs used the first day, I think it was....where was it indicated they went?
Thank you.