CA CA - Bryce Laspisa, 19, Castaic, 30 Aug 2013 - #6

[coastal]

Do young people still take quaaludes? That could be an explanation.

Oh, Woe.be.gone, I'm shaking my head. No. They stopped making those things many many years ago, thank all the Gods! And don't ask me how I know.

(*edited to say: yes, indeed, quaaludes would've explained a wreck like this one!)

 

[la2cabo]

I don't think so...:dunno:

 

[jpsnaggs]

Do young people still take quaaludes? That could be an explanation.

I think that would be very rare... Young people these days would be more inclined to take Molly - ecstasy - MDMA, Pot.... And there are these other crazy things now, similar to pot but supposedly they really screw you up like Salvia....

 

[cluciano63]

Well, xanax is today's qualudes, IMO, and they sure take or use them.

 

[Niner]

He was shown driving Eastbound on Lake Hughes (if the camera that was posted several threads ago is the correct one) at 2:08am and then again at 4:20am. He could have turned around 10 feet beyond the camera and spent the next 2 hours and 12 minutes anywhere west of the camera or he could have stayed in the area east of the camera for a longer period of time up to right before it was caught on tape entering back into that area at 4:20am....or anything in between. I assume all other cameras in the area including 7-11, stores, gas stations, lake, etc. were reviewed by LE. I also assume if they found him on tape anywhere we won't get that information.

My theory now that I went back at night is this:

He drove around and found a place to take a nap. When he woke up he was tired and accidentally went in the wrong direction. When he realized it he went to go uturn and went into the antennas driveway. Thinking he could go around it he went straight and didn't realize the road leads to a cliff and down he went.

This also explains him being on camera twice. His wrong turn away from the freeway the second time.

As far as the comment about being embarrassed, I don't know about anyone else, but if I went to make a uturn and drove down a cliff I'd be pretty darn embarrassed.

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Amanda - I was just going to post the same as you said. He entered at 2:09am, got distracted talking to mom on phone (?) and then drove back out and parked "somewhere" and slept for the 2 hours 15 minutes; woke up and took the wrong turn going back to the freeway, and did the uturn as you say...

Perhaps he ducked into that area thinking the car behind him with the cleared fishermen was LE....unless the fisherman wouldn't have been that Far East on Lake Hughes Rd. Are there fishing spots east of the spot he turned off the road by the tower?

good thought there Voice4theSilent!! could be true also...

Thanks Dragracerz for all your updates here, otherwise there would be a LOT of crazy theories going on, if we didn't have all the facts! Appreciate you posting the picture of the car - but as someone above said - is there a picture of the car from driver's side??

Thanks again!! :seeya:

 

[sreshowtime]

Baal Point Rd and the roadway up to the church were both app. a 1/2 mile further out around the curve ON Lake Hughes, from the turn onto Main Ramp with ample turn room.
If he only wanted to turn around, I am perplexed as to why he would go further into that opening, between the guards rail at the tower,than warranted, to just do that. Mighty odd spot to pick out in the dark to just turn around at, imo.

As far as sleeping?? there appears to be several truck stops, motels in the area near 5, where he could have hunkered down for a while in a parking lot....also imo.

It certainly sounds as if he was in some dire straits during this time...sadly.

 

[Quester]

- - - - DRZ: No phone or CC/DC activity btw 2:08am and 4:20am.
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DRZ' bloodhound tracking trail of BL:
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Anyone have a guesstament as to how long it would take to walk the full trail in DRZ's bloodhound trail map for BL?

Wonder if BL could have done part of it, from "scent ends" to top of western end of dam then returning to his parked car, and between the 2:08am and 4:20am time frame?

From the western end of the dam, BL probably would have had a good view of the cell tower and where his SUV ended up.

 

[AnjL]

Apparently the camera only focuses on the license plates but they are pretty certain it was BL driving because of the blood in the car.

I agree. He could not have been far but I believe they didn't start searching until after they spoke with KL to confirm the car wasn't stolen. I think that was around 8-8:30

I agree. When LE found the vehicle they would have had no idea how long it had been there so no reason to search the area thoroughly until sometime after they spoke with BLs parents. IIRC they searched Friday, but then did not search again until Tues So depending on how well and what areas they searched Friday, Bryce really had a 4 day head start.

 

[SCV_EagleJ]

That's fine if you disagree but I've been driving a long time and I was unable to get out of there without going into the driveway and backing out. At night I would rather do that then attempt a dangerous turn on a pretty narrow road. Someone without the most driving experience easily could have thought it was the easiest option. Its not like we have a better scenario.

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Your right. I disagree and thats okay. I'm aloud to state my opinion with the facts that I have. No one is trying to one up you. A lot of us have been up there, driving a long time and belive different things. Thats what this forum is for. To give our opinions and hope to find an answer that we may never get.

there are many reasons why BL pulled in there. He could have wanted to look at the view, looking for a place to sleep, a place to smoke a bowl, to get down to the ramp.....everyone has their own theroy.

 

[branwynbreeze]

Correct. In a sedan I think its possible. Unfortunately Bryce had a medium sized SUV and so do I. Its narrow with our cars. I couldn't do the uturn. Nor could my husband.

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By checking specs, his SUV is a couple inches more than my van. I believe I could do a 3 point turn, but it may turn out to be a 10 point turn. Uturn, no way.

I would imagine he was going slow and at some point started to slide loosing control. Actually, the vehicle does not look as bad as I thought. Makes me think be was basically fine afterwards with body aches and bruising to come later. I was thinking he was trying to ditch his SUV in lake, but have no real idea now, anything is possible.

This quote from roommate repeatedly pops up in my mind. It is about the burning body, but first part is a hmmmm to me.

“[I’m] not worried because I know that though he may be having some issues right now, [but] I can’t see him doing that to himself,” Dixon said. “I just have hope that that’s not him.”

Read more: http://fox40.com/2013/09/04/roommat...a-college-student-goes-missing/#ixzz2hLqsd67a

As for breaking up with GF, could it has been motivated by use of ADHA meds? Perhaps she was not happy with him using them.

Re: Buttonwillow, I was trying to think why someone would be hanging out at rest stop (where trucks do park )or later close to truck stop-think long haul drivers doctoring drivers log). My first thought was looking to score some ADHA. It just doesn't make sense to spend so much time into trying to score, so back to square one.

 

[Niner]

I believe Dragracerz stated that the front windshield had no visible cracks...will have to go back and find it.

The post from dragracerz on pictures of the car - are post #356 IF CatFancier doesn't delete any posts...

Also, SCV_EagleJ - on your picture post of #264, can you "somehow" take the dog scent picture of dragracerz' post #350 and combine ALL that stuff?? Would be VERY much appreciated! Great picture of all the stuff combined! :seeya:

oh, and dragracerz - can you get a hold of Officer Hernandez that talked with Bryce on the "check" at the hotel?? And find out exactly WHERE he (Bryce) was? Parking lot? street? rest stop?? :seeya:

 

[tamrabbit]

I was in a rush to make that and incorrectly drew the line.


The bloodhounds actually started from where the vehicle was found, on the road, not the top by the cell tower.

On your map it seems to indicate he went through the brush to get directly to the dam instead of following the road. Is that correct? I walked by there yesterday and didnt see any path/hiking trail/etc to get from the crash site lower to the lake area other than the road. I know there was moonlight that night, but I am surprised if he attempted to bushwack his way through the brush.

Also did they track him to the lake shore directly and then him following the shore to the dam? The road does not go directly to the shore, he would have had to take a small hiking path that seems a little sketchy (Steep in parts, and partly overgrown) to take in the dark. Maybe he grabbed a flashlight out of his bag?

 

[AnjL]

Here are pics of the vehicle.
Note: Windshield not broken
paint on tires match paint on road



Hopefully this will confirm to everyone that car went down the hill and was found on road

So in looking at these pictures, it looks as though the vehicle landed on its side instead of rolling several times. I noticed the driver side mirror still intact and no visible damage. Also minimal damage to roof and hood of vehicle.
Also appears passenger side glass broken out, which probably happened when the vehicle impacted. Would have caused safety glass shards to spray onto BL which may be where blood is coming from. Jmo, but as a 22yr insurance agent, unless the vehicle was airborne when it rolled, the damage indicates veh went down hill, and fell over cliff portion landing on passenger side. Moo

 

[AnjL]

I'm sticking to my guns on this...a 3 point turn was not possible. I'm starting to think I may need to go back and get pictures of this.

As far as sleeping goes, he may have gone in there thinking he could sleep behind it and then realized he couldn't too late? But my theory I think makes the most sense with what we have (as far as how the accident happened).

Going to sleep doesn't really make sense because by then it was 4:00am approx. His accident happened there, so he was there likely very close to that time, so by then he already had been there for 2 hours and likely already slept.

The accident occurred after he went to sleep based on the time line and what I could see. He probably got off the free way on Lake Hughes Rd. He continued on that road for awhile, when he finally found the turn out for either the flying lessons or the church and went to sleep there. When he reversed out either of those turn outs he likely went the wrong direction. He realized he went in the wrong direction, saw the driveway and tries to accelerate to get up the ramp (it's steep), and by the time he realizes that's not an area you can use to uturn, it's too late and he's going down the hill.

I don't think I'd consider turning on my 4x4 and going in to reverse when going down a mountain, I wouldn't even know it was possible, I'd be holding on for dear life.

We also need to remember that it was dark outside. He may not have been able to see where the road was or was not going. For 4WD, doesn't the veh need to be in park or neutral to switch the transmission? If he was already going down hill it would be a bit late for putting it in 4WD and reversing. Jmo

 

[BluePoppy]

By checking specs, his SUV is a couple inches more than my van. I believe I could do a 3 point turn, but it may turn out to be a 10 point turn. Uturn, no way.

RSBM.

Check the official "turn radius" of both vehicles. Size of vehicle does not always matter. My husband & I were driving in separate vehicles one time. We needed to turn around & he could not make a U-Turn in his Mustang and had to 3-point it, while I did the U-Turn in my Expedition. I'll never forget it, because I was so surprised.

 

[branwynbreeze]

RSBM.

Check the official "turn radius" of both vehicles. Size of vehicle does not always matter. My husband & I were driving in separate vehicles one time. We needed to turn around & he could not make a U-Turn in his Mustang and had to 3-point it, while I did the U-Turn in my Expedition. I'll never forget it, because I was so surprised.

True, but as a hunter, I've been in some tight spots where I had no choice as to make 3 point turns. Most recently in Rosamond, CA, narrow roads with soft sand shoulders.

 

[BluePoppy]

So in looking at these pictures, it looks as though the vehicle landed on its side instead of rolling several times. I noticed the driver side mirror still intact and no visible damage. Also minimal damage to roof and hood of vehicle.
Also appears passenger side glass broken out, which probably happened when the vehicle impacted. Would have caused safety glass shards to spray onto BL which may be where blood is coming from. Jmo, but as a 22yr insurance agent, unless the vehicle was airborne when it rolled, the damage indicates veh went down hill, and fell over cliff portion landing on passenger side. Moo

Exactly my thought. I believe the vehicle was on its wheels until going over the drop to the road & did not actually roll completely. The fin at the top of the back window is also not damaged.

 

[tamrabbit]

Anyone have a guesstament as to how long it would take to walk the full trail in DRZ's bloodhound trail map for BL?

Wonder if BL could have done part of it, from "scent ends" to top of western end of dam then returning to his parked car, and between the 2:08am and 4:20am time frame?

From the western end of the dam, BL probably would have had a good view of the cell tower and where his SUV ended up.

I just mapped it and the route of DRZ's bloodhound scent map is 3 miles. It would have taken him AT LEAST an hour if he was walking pretty fast, probably 90 min to 2 hours more realistically with the terrain and his condition.

 

[BluePoppy]

I just mapped it and the route of DRZ's bloodhound scent map is 3 miles. It would have taken him AT LEAST an hour if he was walking pretty fast, probably 90 min to 2 hours more realistically with the terrain and his condition.

That sounds about right. But I think I'd go with the lesser time. The adrenaline from the accident would have definitely had him numb to pain or obstacles of going through brush & had him going faster than you or I taking normal precautions for terrain. I would assume he'd be pretty scratched up if he had on shorts.

 

[branwynbreeze]

RSBM.

Check the official "turn radius" of both vehicles. Size of vehicle does not always matter. My husband & I were driving in separate vehicles one time. We needed to turn around & he could not make a U-Turn in his Mustang and had to 3-point it, while I did the U-Turn in my Expedition. I'll never forget it, because I was so surprised.

Just checked, mine is 18.7 and his was 19.4.