CA/Canada - Elisa Lam - 21 years old - Los Angeles/Vancouver - 31-Jan-2013 - #4

[skyfitsheaven]

I would like to know the date/time stamp of the video. We know that EL was last physically seen by hotel staff on Jan 31st. Also, I believe Jan 31st was the last time she made her daily/nightly update calls to her family. I'm inclined to believe the video was made early morning Feb 1st (ie: late late night of the 31st), but I can't tell based on the grainy Youtube video.

If I recall correctly, this video was referred to have been made after the last visual sighting of her (Jan 31st.)

I've read MSM reports that she was actually last seen by the hotel receptionist February 1.

 

[noodled1]

I would like to know the date/time stamp of the video. We know that EL was last physically seen by hotel staff on Jan 31st. Also, I believe Jan 31st was the last time she made her daily/nightly update calls to her family. I'm inclined to believe the video was made early morning Feb 1st (ie: late late night of the 31st), but I can't tell based on the grainy Youtube video.

If I recall correctly, this video was referred to have been made after the last visual sighting of her (Jan 31st.)

I'm working on a timeline of actual known facts to keep it all sorted out. Now just to find the time to finish the time line...lol

 

[Xavier]

Does anyone know if LA LE has been interviewing the guest, employees of the Cecil?

It has to be tough right now for the LA PD since they just lost a few good officers with the Chris Dorner manhunt

 

[Shlock Homes]

I've read MSM reports that she was actually last seen by the hotel receptionist February 1.

Wasn't that her check out date too?

 

[Doruk]

I've read MSM reports that she was actually last seen by the hotel receptionist February 1.

Source?

 

[Doruk]

Does anyone know if LA LE has been interviewing the guest, employees of the Cecil?

It has to be tough right now for the LA PD since they just lost a few good officers with the Chris Dorner manhunt

According to LAPD video I posted most recently in media thread, LAPD are focusing on one employee.

 

[Xavier]

Wasn't that her check out date too?

Good question Skerlock...I can't find anything about her departure date

But, I'm reading former guests of th eCecil say there are security cams on the floor hallways??

I'm confused, the recent Chinese group who scoured the hotel did'nt mention this

 

[Hotspotch]

So I'm watching dark water, the japanese version right now. Has anyone else watched it? I'm only about 1/3 of the way through and really it's uncanny how many elevator scenes there are and how it's almost a focal point . I wonder if anyone else thought so. tks

the Dark Water movies seeming connections to the Cecil Hotel/Elisa Lam are one of , if not THE biggest reasons that the Elisa Lam water tank case is staring to receive so much attention.

what I don't get is what these CNN anchors seem to find so funny about it, during their initial reporting of this case they seem barely able to contain themselves and keep a straight face:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kYUPQIohfg"][NEW INFORMATIONS] Canadian Tourist Elisa Lam's Body In Hotel Water Tank 02.21.2013.flv - YouTube[/ame]

 

[samevo8]

In the news clip, they seem to be professional about it. If there's any odd facial expressions, I'm guessing it's due to the bizarre nature of the case (and the horrific/ludicrous idea of people drinking water that has decomposed body elements in it.)

the Dark Water movies seeming connections to the Cecil Hotel/Elisa Lam are one of , if not THE biggest reasons that the Elisa Lam water tank case is staring to receive so much attention.

what I don't get is what these CNN anchors seem to find so funny about it, during their initial reporting of this case they seem barely able to contain themselves and keep a straight face:

[NEW INFORMATIONS] Canadian Tourist Elisa Lam's Body In Hotel Water Tank 02.21.2013.flv - YouTube

 

[OtherEyes]

I haven't posted on this thread yet, however I have been reading since Day 1. My sincere condolences to EL's family and friends.
I don't know if it's just me but every time I come to read up I feel like I'm in some sort of odd freaky fun-house and can't find my way out! Some of this stuff is way out there IMO! I don't believe I've seen another thread like this before on WS?

But that's the great thing about WS, we all are allowed our own opinions! (So now I'm about to seek the opinion of my pharmacist to make sure I was given the right dosage on my meds!):crazy:

Back to lurking...Carry on:blushing:

 

[Coco_Chanel]

I haven't posted on this thread yet, however I have been reading since Day 1. My sincere condolences to EL's family and friends.
I don't know if it's just me but every time I come to read up I feel like I'm in some sort of odd freaky fun-house and can't find my way out! Some of this stuff is way out there IMO! I don't believe I've seen another thread like this before on WS?

But that's the great thing about WS, we all are allowed our own opinions! (So now I'm about to seek the opinion of my pharmacist to make sure I was given the right dosage on my meds!):crazy:

Back to lurking...Carry on:blushing:

I agree.. I believe I joined during the Phylicia Barnes case...lurked during the missing Florida lotto winner case, big difference between then and now.

 

[Doruk]

http://www.missingpetpartnership.org/petdetective-scent.php

How long can scent survive?

The ideal working scent conditions for a trailing dog are cool, moist days with no wind. Scent will pool, cling, and survive in shady areas and areas with lush vegetation. The moisture provided by lush green grass, the shade of a front porch, or the damp surface of a gutter are all examples of places where residual scent could be present several days after the source of the scent has passed through an area. Scent survives longer in the cooler conditions found in the evening or early morning hours because lower temperatures will tend to bring the scent back down to ground level.

Hot and dry conditions have a negative impact on scent survival. In these conditions, scent is more easily dispersed and destroyed. Direct sunlight will dry out and quickly destroy scent vapors. In addition to the physical toll that it can take on a trailing dog, heat can also cause scent to rise above the level of where the dog is working. The key to working a search dog in hot temperatures is to avoid it if you can.

Wind can disperse scent great distances, minimizing a scent trail and making trailing difficult. In a case where a lost person walked down a sidewalk four days prior to a trailing dog starting to search, the trailing dog might very well work by dipping down into the driveways, up to front porches of homes rather than the spot where the person walked on the sidewalk four days before. If there is grass directly next to the sidewalk, then the trailing dog might work on the grass. The chances of any scent remaining directly on the pavement of the sidewalk are slim after a four-day period. But the chance of scent surviving by clinging to the moisture provided on the grass and in the shady areas is very likely. Scent needs moisture to survive which rain provides.

Rain does not make scent mysteriously disappear. Rain will not destroy scent, but a heavy downpour on pavement can disperse it, making it difficult to follow a trail. In those cases, the scent will cling in gutters and puddles instead of being dispersed along a consistent path like a sidewalk.

 

[Xavier]

What I don't get is why the initial report said her body was found 'wedged in a water tank' and now the story has changed to her body being found floating face up in the water.
If she had just dived on in, why would they need to cut a hole in the tank to get her out? Why not just drain the tank and go in and retrieve the body?
Maybe someone has already answered that one, sorry if I missed it.

Another thing I noticed is Elisa's gesture in the elevator video right before her one last attempt to take the elevator down. She puts her hands up beside her head in a gesture that I've seen people do when they have heard enough in an argument. Its a common gesture that people make before walking away in exasperation, they motion as if about to cover their ears as they walk away. It basically says to the other person "I don't want to hear any more of this from you. This argument is over, I'm not going to listen to it or speak to it any more"
see what I mean at 1:26
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Tma5vPe6EQ

It appears as though she could be arguing with an imagined ghost.
If she truly is bipolar, she could have a split personality (MPD/DID) with alter personalties or identities present in her mind, and a schizophrenic
tendency to 'hear voices' and carry on arguments between the differing 'alters' in her mind, which is said to be commonplace for people with the condition.

Please bear with me , I will try to be brief and not bore you all with an overly lengthy analysis. This could be important though.
The way she pressed all those buttons could have accidentally jammed the elevator open or triggered a security feature which prevents people from
sabotaging the elevator by pressing multiple floors. Maybe the elevator is equipped with a weight sensor in the floor, and if too many floors are pressed in a nearly empty elevator, it senses the emptiness of the elevator by weight, and the elevator is programmed to not move in that event.
Could this be an option in places where pranksters habitually play with the elevator to victimize others trying to use the elevator? The elevator freezes service automatically for the offender of that particular body weight. If someone of another weight enters, they are able to use the elevator normally.
Or maybe the elevator just jammed due to some odd combination of button pressing.

The reason that I mention this is that the elevator's freezing seems to have really spooked Elisa.

When the door does not close she immediately peeks out to see if anyone is out there holding the button and keeping the elevator door from closing.

When she sees no one there, she may think its an invisible person holding it, and she gets scared, so she hides in the corner of the elevator. She seems to reason that it must be a ghost holding the elevator door button or holding the door itself. Since the ghost is invisible, she wonders if it might even be blocking the door or coming in to get her. Then she reasons that if it can 'get her' it would have to be an 'invisible man' type of entity, with a solid body which is invisible to they eye. If it is solid, she might be able to touch it without seeing it. Hence her tentative exploration of the entrance to the elevator and then the little hop toward where 'invisible man' might be, half an attempt to defy the ghost by jumping toward it and see if she can bump into the 'invisible man', and half an attempt to scare it away and show that she is not afraid of it.

Her behavior is that of a little girl playing haunted house.. If she has multiple personality disorder, then one of her alters may be that of a little girl of about six or seven. Anything disconcerting or unexpected might be all that it takes to trigger her alter personality, and make her become the little girl.

She seems to perhaps begin arguing with the invisible man or ghost or whatever she imagines to be there, and then when her fear subsides she snaps out of it and realizes she's been talking to thin air. Hence her gesture of reaching for her ears in the 'I've heard enough of this' motion.
She tries once more to commandeer the elevator as her escape, and the failure at getting it to move once more seems to possibly trigger one more episode of speaking to the ghost. She goes back out , possibly again demands that the ghost show himself or to answer her and then counts off on her fingers what could be a 1, 2......3 -looking command to the imagined ghost.
Could she be saying something to the effect of "Ooh, I'm soooooo scared. (sarcastically) ....OK. you don't want to talk? I'm giving you three seconds to show yourself or answer me or I'm done with you. You've got nothing you can do to me but play your little elevator trick. One, two, three".
You can see her hand motions of counting.
Nothing happens, so then she leaves and maybe says as she is leaving something like "Nice try, ghost" , as an attempt to end the episode and calm her nerves. Her exaggerated body language throughout her dialogue with 'the ghost' suggests that she is attempting to communicate with it in every way possible. Or it could be that since she has this disorder for almost all of her life, dealing with imaginary ghosts, arguing internally with herself among alters, she has adapted to using body language to communicate with ghosts instead of speaking aloud, because in the past speaking to imaginary ghosts aloud has landed her in the doctors office etc. This could explain her odd hand and body motions, which may have included 'haunting' , 'counting' , 'challenging' etc. in silent dialogue with the imagined ghost.

The 'little girl' alter idea brings to mind this:

the above screenshot is from the original 2002 Japanese film 'Dark Water'.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Water_(2002_film)

The following insight is chilling.....

The movie Dark Waters features a little girl who is haunted by a little girl who died in the water tank on the roof of her building. The movie came out in 2002, which means that 21 yr. old Elisa would have been around nine or ten years old if Elisa had seen it when it first came out. The fllm was available in North America with English subtitles. If at that time Elisa had already been experiencing MPD with a younger little girl 'alter personality' , then seeing the film Dark Water may have been extremely traumatizing for her.

In the film Dark Water, the mother and daughter hide from the ghost of the little girl in the corner of the elevator.

For Elisa , the elevator incident may have triggered a flashback to the movie Dark Waters.

In Dark Waters, the oriental mother and daughter are terrorized by the ghost of the dead girl, which tries to murder the woman's daughter by drowning her in the bathtub. The mother and daughter only free themselves of the haunting (by the ghost of the dead girl ) when the mother sacrifices herself by agreeing to die and to join the dead girl as her 'mother' in the ghost world, so that her daughter might live. In the end, the mother is drowned instead of the daughter, becomes a ghost, and walks away hand in hand with the ghost of the dead girl. The mother's daughter is allowed to live.

So this gets fascinating when you consider what Elisa did right after hiding from the ghost in the elevator. Don't forget , Elisa may be MPD, with two identities. One a 21 year old woman (mother) and one the little six year girl alter personality. Maybe Elisa is not sure which of them she really is.
If she ever 'gets better' and rids herself of the MPD, she will have to face the reality that she is 21 years old , with one identity, and so her 'alter' personality, the little six year old Elisa, will have to go, in other words the little girl alter will have to die.

So maybe she has this internal battle going on between her alter personalities. There is the real , mortal , aging 21 year old Elisa who wants to be normal and function normally and rid herself of her MPD (multiple personality disorder), and then there is the immortal forever six years-old alter-ego which she reverts to whenever she is scared or traumatized.

Elisa has recently left home permanently, so the pretense of childhood is over, as the realization hits her that she is 21 and on her own. Losing her cell phone breaks the final bond of contact with home, and since she cannot speak to her mother on the phone, she realizes finally that she is really on her own, and that lifes circumstances will force this reality on her from then on , and that she has to start functioning as a responsible adult.

But the problem is that there are two people living inside of Elisa. The little girl is going to have to go. Maybe Elisa has to choose which one of them will live and which will die.

In the end she follows the script of the movie. Elisa will have to die (21 year old Elisa) so that the little girl (six year old Elisa) can live. Maybe little alter Elisa, in her dissociative state, and traumatized by the memory of the film, comes up with a plan to drown 21 year old Elisa.
Little Elisa is rejecting adulthood (and rejecting mortality), by killing off the adult 'alter'.

MPD Elisa may have seen her own adult sensual needs and sexuality as a nagging reminder of adulthood and mortality, as she shifted back and forth between alters.

This would explain why 'little Elisa' may well have scrawled the insulting epitaph on 'Big Elisa's' water tank grave, Latin Harry Potter style:
FECTO C**T HER SUMA

Translating from Latin as something to the effect of

'She was a total c***. actually'


So little Elisa hardens herself to the role of the killer ghost in 'Dark Water; and follows the script of drowning 'mother Elisa'

while 'mother Elisa' follows the script of sacrificing herself so that 'little Elisa' may live on.

In this way both alters are so engaged, to the same purpose:

drowning 21 year old 'Big Elisa'.

The message of the film Dark Water is that mother will live on in the after life anyway, even if she sacrifices herself to save her daughter.

If this seems out of the realm of possibility, consider that Elisa may have had a fairly severe psychiatric disorder. She didn't end up on all that medication by accident. Further, as a previous poster just pointed out , she was on hallucinogenic antidepressant medication which has been proven to make people susceptible to extreme acts of violence or self harm.
In this case it appears that it may have been a case of both. One alter inflicting extreme violence on the other, and the other alter offering no resistance in an act of self harm (suicide).

Outstanding Job Hopscotch pulling this together

I agree 1000% about Elisa's murder mimicking the Dark Water movie

With so many movie fans in LA, I'm a strong believer some sick person , probably a hotel employee with the hotel's Master keys, wanted to "CopyCat" Elisa's murder

 

[Coco_Chanel]

Sigh...I'm trying to post the picture I was asked to mark but cant figure out how to attach it:banghead:

 

[Xavier]

Anyone clue in there's another Cecil Hotel right in Elisa's parent's home Vancouver BC? This is getting weirder

The Cecil Hotel
1336 Granville Street, Vancouver Downtown, Vancouver (BC), Canada (Show on map)


http://www.agoda.com/north_america/canada/vancouver_bc/the_cecil_hotel.html

 

[walklikeacat]

Two former guests have sued the proprietors of Los Angeles' Cecil Hotel

Read more: http://www.ksbw.com/news/L-A-hotel-...rsss_2.0/-/ew03gcz/-/index.html#ixzz2MFGwMzRk

 

[Marlon]

I did not post a nude photo of the Black Dahlia disembered body, I posted a link with a warning that the photo was not to be viewed by the squeamish , and I posted a statue by Salvador Dali which closely resembled her dismembered body.

There are enough ridiculously high-profile coincidences, dramatically dark histories, and highly improbable scenarios going on with this whole Elisa Lam thing that I am starting to suspect that the whole thing is a hoax.
From the release of the elevator footage to the salacious nature of the tainted drinking water to the almost supernaturally close synchs with the Dark Water films, forgive me, but ...........

Forget about the movie,.. This one is more to the point

Elevator button sequence

Read the Bible John Chapter 4 and then verse 7, 10 and 14.

(New King James Version)

John 4 , A Samaritan woman meets her messiah

(John 4:7) A woman from Samaria came to draw water. Jesus said to her “Give me a drink” For his disciples had gone away into the city to buy food.

(John 4:10) Jesus answered and said to her, “If you knew the gift of god, and who it is who says to you, ‘Give Me a drink,’ you would have asked Him, and He would have given you living water.

(John 4:14) but whoever drinks of the water that I shall give him will never thirst. But the water that I shall give him will become in him a fountain of water springing up into everlasting life.”

Amen

 

[Shlock Homes]

I haven't posted on this thread yet, however I have been reading since Day 1. My sincere condolences to EL's family and friends.
I don't know if it's just me but every time I come to read up I feel like I'm in some sort of odd freaky fun-house and can't find my way out! Some of this stuff is way out there IMO! I don't believe I've seen another thread like this before on WS?

But that's the great thing about WS, we all are allowed our own opinions! (So now I'm about to seek the opinion of my pharmacist to make sure I was given the right dosage on my meds!):crazy:

Back to lurking...Carry on:blushing:

Yes, some of the theories are way out there. That's what happens when the police aren't saying anything, and leaving the public to speculate on what happened. Even more outlandish is when they suggest she did it to herself accidentally. But then they refuse to release info about the condition of her body, or confirm she was nude, if she was there to meet anyone, etc...

The occult stuff is interesting, even if it might not be directly tied to her death. I mean I'm less inclined to think she was part of some ritual sacrifice than I was about the Annie Le case from a few years ago, mainly because her death fell on a date of significance. Eventually I steered away from that, but I still think the real story there was never told and the guy who is serving time is just one of many who were responsible for her death.

But I digress. This particular death probably is much simpler than it sounds. Someone who works there or stayed there for a short time who is familiar with the roof probably killed her, then stashed her body up on the roof perhaps after the police had done looking around up there. Someone with familiarity with that place would have been able to do it without being detected. The elevator footage which was released before she was found has added to the mystery, but it may have no bearing on how she ended up in that tank.

 

[Robert White]

Out of curiosity, for those that feel this is connected to this Dark Water movie, how does that correlate to the video? As in how does the video connect to it, or is the video been deemed unrelated in this theory?

 

[Shlock Homes]

Forget about the movie,.. This one is more to the point

Elevator button sequence

Read the Bible John Chapter 4 and then verse 7, 10 and 14.

(New King James Version)

John 4 , A Samaritan woman meets her messiah

(John 4:7) A woman from Samaria came to draw water. Jesus said to her “Give me a drink” For his disciples had gone away into the city to buy food.

(John 4:10) Jesus answered and said to her, “If you knew the gift of god, and who it is who says to you, ‘Give Me a drink,’ you would have asked Him, and He would have given you living water.

(John 4:14) but whoever drinks of the water that I shall give him will never thirst. But the water that I shall give him will become in him a fountain of water springing up into everlasting life.”

Amen

Interesting. Plus she was staying on the 4th floor (according to media reports) and the number 4 is considered bad luck in chinese as it sounds like the word for 'death'.