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kemo:
The donation of semen standards by employees has been a common practice. Sperm samples are donated for in vitro fertilization (IVF). Why the doubt that this was done? Go talk to anyone at your local crime lab, or preferably someone who has been there a while if you want info going back decades. If this is a common practice, why would the SDPD crime lab be any different?
I do not have any specific info on the practices regarding this at the SDPD crime lab, except for the reports in the news about this case, and also this is listed in the court filing. The police are free to lie, but do you think the attorneys are going to make this up? You could try to investigate this yourself. Ask someone at the SDPD lab. They may not be forthcoming but you could try. This is public info also in the sense that there could be testimony on record at the local courts. SDPD criminalists go to court and testify in trials and this could come up. You can find out who works at the lab and get emails or phone numbers. The head of the biology or DNA section is an Irishman.
As far as actually collecting the samples, some crime labs may be in buildings that are open or semi-open to the public. I doubt if that is the case for SDPD if the crime lab is in the same building as the police department. A criminalist donating a sample in a public restroom might get mistaken for a pervert. A common story in the news is someone gets arrested for that sort of thing. So it would of course be done elsewhere, like at home. And no test tube required, the sample can go on cloth to be dried. Again, to use the IVF example, why so skeptical?
Another issue would be the availability of commercial standards. Want to research that? This would of course cost if available, whereas employee samples are free. It might also require extra quality control. The lab would have to verify the DNA profile, whereas they have the employee profile.
What is the standard to prove innocence? Obviously if someone has an alibi that could be proven. If the president is in the White House on the opposite side of the country on the night of a murder, he is excluded from the suspect list. Brown has no alibi. He may have been at home that night in 1984. Maybe prove beyond a reasonable doubt? According to that standard, if there were 20 million people who could have gotten to the beach that night who have no alibi either, and there is no reason to suspect Brown or start an investigation, then according to that standard he has been proven innocent, and his rights were violated because he was subjected to illegal search and seizure. If there is no reason to single out Brown among 20 million people, then the odds are he is innocent.
Unless someone wants to get out and do real legwork like a private investigator to verify what the court filing says about the semen standard, you can either take their word for it or investigate yourself. Another angle for Rebecca's attorneys to pursue would be to get more info on DNA contamination in crime labs, something that many labs will keep records on but most do not want to advertise. In particular info on DNA contamination by lab employees of evidence containing semen would be helpful to their case.
kemo and I have both pointed out that police do not have to be truthful with a suspect. They can lie. An extreme example of this comes from San Jose, like San Diego also in California (1, 2), and shows how far police are willing to go in some cases.
In a rape case, a detective created a phony lab report in an effort to get a suspect to confess. The fake report showed that the suspect's semen was found on a blanket at the scene. The detective never got a chance to use the ruse in questioning of the suspect, but the detective "testified under oath that the report incriminating Kerkeles was true" the prosecutor did admit to knowingly using the bogus report to get a judge accept the charge. The suspect was framed. The prosecutor had a copy of the real lab report also. The real lab report was negative.
In an attempt to get Kerkeles to confess, San Jose Police Sgt. Matthew Christian concocted a phony crime report that claimed Kerkeles’ semen was found on a blanket at the scene of the crime.
The prosecutor was suspended for a month and has since left legal work behind. The detective remained on the San Jose police force. This is puzzling. The officer committed perjury.
"Kerkeles was forced to defend himself in court for six years despite being at work during the crime, and the prosecutor and investigating police officer knew that their evidence was pure fiction."
"Michael Kerkeles, charged in 2005 with raping his neighbor, and the San Jose City Council agreed to a $150,000 cash settlement in a case that upended the defendant’s life."
There is no report that the suspect was ever convicted in the case, so obviously the charges were dropped.
(1)
The Phantom DNA Analyst
http://jimfisher.edinboro.edu/forensics/fire/dna.html
Jim Fisher
The Official Web Site
Crime Laboratories and DNA Analysis
Santa Clara County Crime Laboratory:
The Phantom DNA Analyst
(2)
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/man-framed-rape-settles-article-1.1337451
San Jose, Calif., man framed in rape by police, prosecutor to settle with city
A policeman fabricated a crime report saying Michael Kerkeles’ semen was found at the crime scene. The agreement is for $150,000.
BY DAVID KNOWLES
NEW YORK DAILY NEWS Tuesday, May 7, 2013
The donation of semen standards by employees has been a common practice. Sperm samples are donated for in vitro fertilization (IVF). Why the doubt that this was done? Go talk to anyone at your local crime lab, or preferably someone who has been there a while if you want info going back decades. If this is a common practice, why would the SDPD crime lab be any different?
I do not have any specific info on the practices regarding this at the SDPD crime lab, except for the reports in the news about this case, and also this is listed in the court filing. The police are free to lie, but do you think the attorneys are going to make this up? You could try to investigate this yourself. Ask someone at the SDPD lab. They may not be forthcoming but you could try. This is public info also in the sense that there could be testimony on record at the local courts. SDPD criminalists go to court and testify in trials and this could come up. You can find out who works at the lab and get emails or phone numbers. The head of the biology or DNA section is an Irishman.
As far as actually collecting the samples, some crime labs may be in buildings that are open or semi-open to the public. I doubt if that is the case for SDPD if the crime lab is in the same building as the police department. A criminalist donating a sample in a public restroom might get mistaken for a pervert. A common story in the news is someone gets arrested for that sort of thing. So it would of course be done elsewhere, like at home. And no test tube required, the sample can go on cloth to be dried. Again, to use the IVF example, why so skeptical?
Another issue would be the availability of commercial standards. Want to research that? This would of course cost if available, whereas employee samples are free. It might also require extra quality control. The lab would have to verify the DNA profile, whereas they have the employee profile.
What is the standard to prove innocence? Obviously if someone has an alibi that could be proven. If the president is in the White House on the opposite side of the country on the night of a murder, he is excluded from the suspect list. Brown has no alibi. He may have been at home that night in 1984. Maybe prove beyond a reasonable doubt? According to that standard, if there were 20 million people who could have gotten to the beach that night who have no alibi either, and there is no reason to suspect Brown or start an investigation, then according to that standard he has been proven innocent, and his rights were violated because he was subjected to illegal search and seizure. If there is no reason to single out Brown among 20 million people, then the odds are he is innocent.
Unless someone wants to get out and do real legwork like a private investigator to verify what the court filing says about the semen standard, you can either take their word for it or investigate yourself. Another angle for Rebecca's attorneys to pursue would be to get more info on DNA contamination in crime labs, something that many labs will keep records on but most do not want to advertise. In particular info on DNA contamination by lab employees of evidence containing semen would be helpful to their case.
kemo and I have both pointed out that police do not have to be truthful with a suspect. They can lie. An extreme example of this comes from San Jose, like San Diego also in California (1, 2), and shows how far police are willing to go in some cases.
In a rape case, a detective created a phony lab report in an effort to get a suspect to confess. The fake report showed that the suspect's semen was found on a blanket at the scene. The detective never got a chance to use the ruse in questioning of the suspect, but the detective "testified under oath that the report incriminating Kerkeles was true" the prosecutor did admit to knowingly using the bogus report to get a judge accept the charge. The suspect was framed. The prosecutor had a copy of the real lab report also. The real lab report was negative.
In an attempt to get Kerkeles to confess, San Jose Police Sgt. Matthew Christian concocted a phony crime report that claimed Kerkeles’ semen was found on a blanket at the scene of the crime.
The prosecutor was suspended for a month and has since left legal work behind. The detective remained on the San Jose police force. This is puzzling. The officer committed perjury.
"Kerkeles was forced to defend himself in court for six years despite being at work during the crime, and the prosecutor and investigating police officer knew that their evidence was pure fiction."
"Michael Kerkeles, charged in 2005 with raping his neighbor, and the San Jose City Council agreed to a $150,000 cash settlement in a case that upended the defendant’s life."
There is no report that the suspect was ever convicted in the case, so obviously the charges were dropped.
(1)
The Phantom DNA Analyst
http://jimfisher.edinboro.edu/forensics/fire/dna.html
Jim Fisher
The Official Web Site
Crime Laboratories and DNA Analysis
Santa Clara County Crime Laboratory:
The Phantom DNA Analyst
(2)
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/man-framed-rape-settles-article-1.1337451
San Jose, Calif., man framed in rape by police, prosecutor to settle with city
A policeman fabricated a crime report saying Michael Kerkeles’ semen was found at the crime scene. The agreement is for $150,000.
BY DAVID KNOWLES
NEW YORK DAILY NEWS Tuesday, May 7, 2013