CA - Court upholds Menendez brothers' convictions
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What was the behavior in prison that the parole board addressed here?
I have not followed the case in modern times - but I do remember following (the old-fashioned way) back when the trials were originally happening.
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Per the DM article,
Meanwhile, Lyle, now 57, is set to go before the California Board of Parole Hearings on Friday.
They brought up prison reports of fights and other violations dating back to 1997, including drug and alcohol use, instances in which he was found with a contraband cell phone and even allegations that he helped a prison gang in a tax fraud scheme in 2013, the LA Times reports.
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Going back to 1997, there have been problems with things like a contraband cell phone, helping a prison gang with a tax fraud scheme, fighting, continuing to lie about the murders of their parents and circumstances surrounding it, etc.
Now that they’re eligible for parole, they have to work harder to change their ways in prison.
Erik Menendez denied parole, Lyle Menendez to learn his fate on Friday
Erik Menendez was denied parole during his first-ever parole hearing on Thursday, 36 years and one day after he and his brother killed their parents.
He’ll be eligible for parole in 3 years. Board members also cited misuse of prison computers,etc.
"Contrary to your supporters' beliefs, you have not been a model prisoner, and frankly, we find that a little disturbing," Barton said.
“Barton noted Erik Menendez's inappropriate behavior with visitors, drug smuggling, misuse of state computers and violence incidents. The board also took issue with Erik Menendez illegally using cellphones while leading rehabilitative groups.”
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“Since his incarceration, Erik has gained the support of several correction staff members who submitted letters describing him as a “model inmate.” Barton expressed doubt over this characterization, saying it was at odds with the violations he accumulated. Erik responded by telling the board he did not believe he had a chance at release until last year and at that point, his “consequential thinking” kicked in.”
It sounds like he’ll try to be on his good behavior over the next 3 years.
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Thank you.
I suspect the tax fraud will be the hardest to overcome, tbh, in convincing a parole board he is ready for release. That is a serious crime and one that could easily continue outside of prison.
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I have no idea but my guess would be hiding income that fellow prisoners earned through running an outside business (legit or not) from behind bars."Helping a prison gang with a tax fraud scheme"???
What does it even mean??
I could be totally wrong, but that's what popped into my mind.
Whatever happened, I think tax fraud is a serious offense that will keep him behind bars.
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It's been going on for decades -- tax fraud by inmates in the BILLIONS! They're already locked up, and willing to take the chance!
komonews.com
IRS Catching on to Tax Fraud in America's Prisons
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Aha! They are stealing identities to get tax refunds. Makes my assumption seem quaint, lol. Thanks for finding that source.It's been going on for decades -- tax fraud by inmates in the BILLIONS! They're already locked up, and willing to take the chance!
IRS Catching on to Tax Fraud in America's Prisons
KOMO 4 TV provides news, sports, weather and local event coverage in the Seattle, Washington area including Bellevue, Redmond, Renton, Kent, Tacoma, Bremerton, SeaTac, Auburn, Mercer Island, Bothell, Shoreline, Lynnwood, Mill Creek and Everett.
That scheme is devious.
Yeah, he's not getting out.
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His "consequential thinking" kicked in one year ago? Prior to the murders, during the murders, and since the murders, consequential thinking did not happen. He did what he wanted, didn't care about consequences. We're supposed to believe that now he does think about consequences? Don't think so.Going back to 1997, there have been problems with things like a contraband cell phone, helping a prison gang with a tax fraud scheme, fighting, continuing to lie about the murders of their parents and circumstances surrounding it, etc.
Now that they’re eligible for parole, they have to work harder to change their ways in prison.
Erik Menendez denied parole, Lyle Menendez to learn his fate on Friday
Erik Menendez was denied parole during his first-ever parole hearing on Thursday, 36 years and one day after he and his brother killed their parents.abcnews.go.com
He’ll be eligible for parole in 3 years. Board members also cited misuse of prison computers,etc.
"Contrary to your supporters' beliefs, you have not been a model prisoner, and frankly, we find that a little disturbing," Barton said.
“Barton noted Erik Menendez's inappropriate behavior with visitors, drug smuggling, misuse of state computers and violence incidents. The board also took issue with Erik Menendez illegally using cellphones while leading rehabilitative groups.”
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“Since his incarceration, Erik has gained the support of several correction staff members who submitted letters describing him as a “model inmate.” Barton expressed doubt over this characterization, saying it was at odds with the violations he accumulated. Erik responded by telling the board he did not believe he had a chance at release until last year and at that point, his “consequential thinking” kicked in.”
It sounds like he’ll try to be on his good behavior over the next 3 years.
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Right!
And he was a full-grown adult at the time of the tax fraud. He wasn't young and he wasn't committing that crime in self-defense or to stop abuse. He willingly committed those crimes....in large part because he didn't care about consequence, imo.
That's not only a big crime but also big character flaw. He blew it, imo.
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I agree. And the "smaller" violations, like the cell phone are just more evidence that rules, regulations, and laws mean little to him regarding "rehabilitation".
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He didn't care about consequences when he murdered his parents because he was confident that he would not be arrested and convicted. Same with every criminal act prior to the murders and since - including tax fraud. He believes that he will not get caught. He is a criminal to the core who will kill, lie, cheat and steal for personal profit, and there is no reason to believe that he will become a different person if released from prison.
The phrase "consequential thinking" is obviously something he heard, not something he discovered. It's not believable that he will suddenly, at this point in his life, consider the impact of his criminal activities on his victims.
I would like to hear his answer to the question of why he shot his mother as she was wounded and crawling away from him. That alone deflates any alleged "justified murder" due to alleged allegations against his father. If his father was a monster, why would he murder his mother after eliminating the alleged threat? If his father was a monster, then his mother was also a victim. Does he not understand that?
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I believe he said he discovered she had known about the SA and never tried to stop it. In his mind that made her a partner in crime with his father. In reality they had to remove both parents in order to get their hands on all the money. Of course leaving her alive also meant she could identify their assailants. MOO
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Exactly. At the time of his arrest, he claimed that he feared his parents were going to murder him that evening. Today, he claims that his father abused him and his mother did nothing to stop it.
Just like his criminal activities before and after the murders, his goal was always personal profit. Home invasion robberies, murdering a multi-millionaire, and tax fraud have one common goal: easy money.
Ummmm... I'd like to know how he was allowed to adopt a child in the first place?!
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Lyle's parole meeting is today. Live updates here:
www.nbclosangeles.com
Live updates: Panel to decide whether Lyle Menendez deserves parole
Follow live updates on the latest chapter of the Menendez brothers case.
www.nbclosangeles.com
Audio recording from Erik Menendez's parole board hearing was released Friday, a day after the board denied him parole.
abc7.com
Erik Menendez describes parents' murders in newly released audio from parole hearing
Audio recording from Erik Menendez's parole board hearing was released Friday, a day after the board denied him parole.
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