Found Deceased CA - Crystal McCarthy, 37, belongings found under a bridge, Napa, 13 Dec 2021

  • #181
A lot has been made of CM's odd behavior (the dinner, her phone, etc) on the night of her demise. It's natural to try to interpret another's actions based on your own experience and thought processes. However, everyone is not alike and many people don't share the rational and analytical thinking most of us here on WS find to be second nature. From the few tidbits offered by CM's bf, it seems CM was a free spirit who lived in the moment, perhaps she was a bit "flighty". And by all accounts she was a kind and generous sole, who thought more about others than herself. Because of this, I don't believe it's possible for us to understand completely what drove her actions that night and what ultimately happened to her. I'm afraid the autopsy will be of little help, unless they found something dramatic like her being deceased before she entered the water or her hyoid bone being broken. At least toxicology results should be able to determine her level of intoxication. The autopsy won't be able to determine if anyone pushed her into the river. Just my random thoughts and opinions on this night after Christmas.
 
  • #182
A lot has been made of CM's odd behavior (the dinner, her phone, etc) on the night of her demise. It's natural to try to interpret another's actions based on your own experience and thought processes. However, everyone is not alike and many people don't share the rational and analytical thinking most of us here on WS find to be second nature. From the few tidbits offered by CM's bf, it seems CM was a free spirit who lived in the moment, perhaps she was a bit "flighty". And by all accounts she was a kind and generous sole, who thought more about others than herself. Because of this, I don't believe it's possible for us to understand completely what drove her actions that night and what ultimately happened to her. I'm afraid the autopsy will be of little help, unless they found something dramatic like her being deceased before she entered the water or her hyoid bone being broken. At least toxicology results should be able to determine her level of intoxication. The autopsy won't be able to determine if anyone pushed her into the river. Just my random thoughts and opinions on this night after Christmas.

Except, her behavior wasn’t odd. Not to her and those who know her at least. She was a trusting person who would completely overlook the danger she would sometimes put herself in as confirmed by Drew. Highly ill advised decisions by the majority of the world though im sure.
 
  • #183
I agree with a lot of these. If she just had dinner with her bf and he was working until midnight why order food and why ask him at 10:15 if he wants food knowing that he wouldnt be back until awhile after it was delivered?

So if she makes it to the 7-11 in less than 20 mins that means she orders food and pays, most likely lost her phone and didn’t realize (guessing it just slipped out and fell in between the cushions) started to walk to the 7-11, met this homeless man on the bridge on the way there, bought alcohol and went down by the bridge to drink with this man. I’m not too worried about the umbrella as the man could be holding it behind her or she could have left it outside, I usually do that. But a few things that dont add up.

1) If the phone was in the couch shortly after 10:15 that would likely be in the communal area that she was in and not her bedroom. So if she was out there and left and then the food came and the roommate had to answer the door to get it why wouldn’t the roommate tell her that her food was there and assume she was in her room? The roommate must have been in their own room or a different area of the home when she ordered on the couch and never heard her leave so you would think they would have been surprised that someone was at the door with food that they didn’t know was ordered and would have asked the delivery person who the food was for and when they said for her would again let her have known that it was delivered or be surprised that if she ordered she wasn’t waiting for it or didn’t leave her room when she heard someone at the door knowing she had just ordered food and that was who was at the door.

2) That is a super fast delivery service to make the food and deliver it in around 10 mins.

3) When you order they tell you when it will be delivered so if they had said 10 mins you think either she would have told the roommate it was on the way and she was running out. OR she would have thought she could make it there and back in time so why would she have gone to drink under the bridge knowing her food was on the way? And if she had her phone on her maybe she would have gone down there to have a drink and been checking her phone to walk back once she saw it was getting close or had been delivered but we know she didn’t have her phone. So if she had just ordered and would have wanted to check her phone to see timing she would have very quickly realized she didn’t have her phone which to me you’d assume she would have gone straight home after getting the alcohol to get her phone.

4) The boots and umbrella were not in the river so that would mean she or someone took them off and left both them and the umbrella up on the bank. Say hypothetically she wanted to dip her toes in, that means she took them off and left them there and didn’t have socks on which if they were similar to UGGs I can see throwing them on without socks but those are nice leatherish looking boots that would be very hard to put on without socks and if you wanted to dip your toes in you clearly would have taken the socks off then too.

5) If they had just bought alcohol and came back to drink under the bridge and he is saying he went to get more that must mean they had already been down there and had a least one drink (say they both got one beer each minimum) they would have had to take the time to drink them both before the man suggested going back to get more. At this point you think she would have either realized she didn’t have her phone and gone and told him she would be back, she would have just gone with him to 7-11 as well or for some odd reason she decided to stay there alone under the bridge and let him go by himself to get them more but then why and why not offer him the umbrella to take? But instead stayed there, kept your umbrella, all alone decided to take your boots off and go down by the river and just happened to fall in the few minutes the man was gone, knowing you didn’t have your phone, your food was being or had already been delivered as too much time had gone by and decided to keep hanging out drinking with this man and he comes back only a few minutes later most likely and she was just gone? That means he saw her boots and umbrella but not her? Where did he think she went with no shoes on? Why not go back to the 7-11 and alert them to call police that the girl you were hanging out with was missing when you got back but her boots and umbrella were still there and you were worried? Also, how did he pay for the alcohol, cash?

6) The boyfriend says that she told him she befriended a homeless person that lived under the bridge which is why he looked there. He also said that he had suspected she was getting alcohol when it came out that her last sighting was doing so. I think it’s very strange that if your gf asks you if you want food at 10:15, you get home at midnight and she is not there, her food hasn’t been touched, she doesn’t answer her phone and you find it in the couch and you had thought she may have left to get alcohol that you wouldn’t wait until the morning to look for her. This should have been immediately very suspicious. Why would you just go to bed as usual and not go to the 7-11 that night and see if she was there or ask them if they had seen her? It’s open 24 hours and typically people have the same patterns so he would know that’s where she would go to get alcohol. If he had they might have told her that she came in with another man earlier and that he came back without her. Why not check under the bridge on your way there or back either if you knew she had befriended someone that lived under there? He then might have either seen her there with him or see the man still there alone and been able to talk to him or have seen her boots and umbrella in the bank and been able to alert police.

None of this makes sense to me from the ordering dinner after you apparently just had dinner all the way up to bf clearly knowing she is missing, has been for some time as the food had not been eaten and you found her phone and then just deciding to go to bed instead of trying to locate her. I know I’d be in panic mode and there was a reason he was not. I’m not accusing him of anything but just pointing out that is not a normal reaction or non reaction should I say. This leads me to believe that maybe this is common behavior for her? Maybe she drinks a lot and orders food and forgets, maybe roommate knew she was drunk when they talked to her earlier and her bedroom door was closed and thought she ordered food and passed out. Maybe this was common for her to get drunk and leave her phone on purpose or accidentally and go and get more alcohol and hang out and just come home whenever so no one was too worried until the morning when they realized she was still not home?

Also not trying to insinuate she was a drunk by any means, maybe Monday is her night off work and that is typically when she likes to let loose but I do think it’s extremely telling that both the bf and roommate would go to bed knowing she apparently left shortly after ordering food and never came back to for it, never came back to get her phone after realizing at some point she didn’t have it and knowing she didn’t have a car and it had been storming etc. it just seems like there is a lot of things that don’t add up.

However I cannot think of one possible scenario that seems reasonable or rational as to how she would have accidentally fallen in other than if she was extremely intoxicated. Perhaps she had already been drinking and her and the man had a lot more. I wonder when he went back for more alcohol. It’s quite possible knowing that alcohol sales in Napa end at 2am that they had been drinking for a few hours at that point as well and was already too intoxicated to go back to 7-11 to get more which is why he went alone but still not understanding taking the boots off at all.

One thing I wanna mention about doordash-since covid doordash implemented a “leave at door” no contact option so she didn’t necessarily have to be present for her order to be dropped off.
 
  • #184
I'm really disgusted thinking about this, but I wonder if poor Crystal's boots were removed in order to remove her pants. I don't guess we've heard in what state of dress or undress her body was found in, have we? I hope they can tell a lot from her autopsy, including if someone else's DNA is found. I am leaning toward foul play by a man she was with near the river and/or under the bridge.
 
  • #185
I'm really disgusted thinking about this, but I wonder if poor Crystal's boots were removed in order to remove her pants. I don't guess we've heard in what state of dress or undress her body was found in, have we? I hope they can tell a lot from her autopsy, including if someone else's DNA is found. I am leaning toward foul play by a man she was with near the river and/or under the bridge.

I dont believe if he did something he would bother with taking her pants completely off honestly. My 2 theories are they came off while struggling or she took them off because it was slippery.
 
  • #186
I know toxicology reports take forever. Does that include alcohol or can that be detected right away?

Edit referring to post mortem.
 
  • #187
I know toxicology reports take forever. Does that include alcohol or can that be detected right away?

Edit referring to post mortem.

great question! Truth is alcohol detection AFTER death is tricky. Our own bodies decomposition can trigger alcohol detection regardless of if any alcohol has been consumed or not. If they were to test for alcohol, they would need to do so within 48 hours and look at specific elements. Beyond those its unreliable on the accuracy.

Here is an interesting read (I like to read many sources typically before believing what I am reading but this organization tends to be pretty credible IMO):

Alcohol in decomposed bodies: postmortem synthesis and distribution - PubMed
 
  • #188
  • #189
DEC 28, 2021
Father of missing Napa woman seeks answers | KRON4
[...]

Crystal McCarthy’s father, MM, lives in the southern part of the country and says he spoke to his daughter at least three times that night before she was reported missing.

“She sounded fine. We were checking back and forth like we do daily,” MM said.

[...]

Investigators say at this point there is no evidence of foul play, but add, they too are searching for answers to how she became separated from her boots.

“I don’t have an answer for you at this point regarding it. It’s one of the things that we’re continuing to work on, is to piece together what happened prior to the body being in the river,” Detective Brandt Keown said.

The investigation into her disappearance remains open. A fact that troubles MM because he would like to have more information from the police about the case.

[...]

 
  • #190
DEC 28, 2021
Father of missing Napa woman seeks answers | KRON4
[...]

Crystal McCarthy’s father, MM, lives in the southern part of the country and says he spoke to his daughter at least three times that night before she was reported missing.

“She sounded fine. We were checking back and forth like we do daily,” MM said.

[...]

Investigators say at this point there is no evidence of foul play, but add, they too are searching for answers to how she became separated from her boots.

“I don’t have an answer for you at this point regarding it. It’s one of the things that we’re continuing to work on, is to piece together what happened prior to the body being in the river,” Detective Brandt Keown said.

The investigation into her disappearance remains open. A fact that troubles MM because he would like to have more information from the police about the case.

[...]


Such a tragedy. What a bright light extinguished far too soon. I wish it could have been me instead. I am old and have lived a good life. I can't imagine the pain her father feels. I wish I could hold him in my arms and comfort him.
 
  • #191
Such a tragedy. What a bright light extinguished far too soon. I wish it could have been me instead. I am old and have lived a good life. I can't imagine the pain her father feels. I wish I could hold him in my arms and comfort him.
You are very kind.
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I don't think there's any greater pain than losing a child. I cannot imagine it either and I pray he gets the answers he needs.
 
  • #192
What a beautiful tribute but such a sad ending for an amazing woman. It also always blows my mind how so much reporting is wrong like in this article where they say she was last seen at the 7-11 at 9pm when it has always been reported that the video footage was at 10:34pm. Not that it matters or means anything but I always find it frustrating how so many stories seem to misreport important information regarding missing people and crimes in general. It seems like so many times they just want to put an article out but without a lot of fact checking or even a quick double checking of information. Again, not that it has anything to do with this but simply making an observation in general.

She seems to have been a very special person and knowing that she spoke with her father multiple times that night before this tragedy makes it even sadder to think what her poor family and friends must be going through as they were obviously all very close. I wonder if they will ever have closure as to know how this happened, if this will be pursued much active investigation wise or will seem to go cold and as an accident but it seems very much so that her friends and family think there is more to the story than that.
 
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If not for the boots left on the riverbank, I would think this was simply a slip and fall in the river. But the boots left behind has me wondering if maybe there was foul play. I just can't get over this fact. MOO
 
  • #196
And the man she was with supposedly went to buy more alcohol and came back and she was gone. I find it odd that she did not go with him. If there was a sexual assault involved would there still be evidence of that after she had been in the river so long? I don't think that's an unreasonable possibility with her boots being off.
 
  • #197
And the man she was with supposedly went to buy more alcohol and came back and she was gone. I find it odd that she did not go with him. If there was a sexual assault involved would there still be evidence of that after she had been in the river so long? I don't think that's an unreasonable possibility with her boots being off.

Imo, he could have stolen her money, then went to the store himself. I can't let go of her boots being off either.

Moo.
 
  • #198
Imo, he could have stolen her money, then went to the store himself. I can't let go of her boots being off either.

Moo.

My thoughts exactly! Jail/Homeless or not, she did not know this man. Did she possibly keep money in her shoes? Some people do when they don't want to carry anything.
 
  • #199
  • #200
Perhaps her boots were the type that go over your normal shoes and since it was dry under the bridge she had them off to be more comfortable. She might even have been the type who would be more comfortable barefoot than in rain boots.

I have certainly known women for whom none of this would be our of character. If my live-in girlfriend made a habit of spontaneously drinking under bridges with homeless men I would be concerned on multiple levels but I can say with great confidence that there are types of people for whom this, apart from the accidental drowning, would be a typical Monday night. Napa seems like a likely place to find a high concentration of them too.

It's also quite possible she was pushed rather than fell but I can't imagine how that could ever be proven.
 

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