CA CA - Dr Robert Stonebreaker, 53, Rancho Santa Fe, 16 Jan 2010

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Robert Stonebreaker was my uncle (my mother's uncle). He was an incredibly kind man and his murder was shocking. I have recently started to try to find information regarding his murder and investigation and there is very few websites or information online. Does anyone have any new information regarding his death and investigation?
Welcome. Dr. Stonebreaker was a kind and caring man. He's remembered fondly by many. It's been twelve years now. This case has been left stone cold it seems. I suggest you read this whole thread, keep notes, and keep digging, please, into what the investigation supposedly revealed.

I personally think LE dropped the ball on this one and want to know why. It was highly mysterious how Bob died and there never was any explanation what happened on that road before Bob went roaming into yards. He wasn't even found until the next morning.

I'll just add a few links from 2012 for any new comers that want to know about this case. These article describe the mysterious details that never were actually solved.

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Dr. Robert Stonebreaker

Detectives seek clues in unsolved murder of North County veterinarian Video included

Contact me. I was talking to Dave and Kathy before they got divorced.
 
  • #82
Makes it hard to believe you when you don't seem to follow through on what you say, Alfred. Promises to spill the tea. Best to tell LE.

All I know is Dr. Stonebreaker was a nice man and his mysterious death deserves to be solved and there to be Justice for him.
 
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Hi everyone, sorry that I'm so late coming into this thread. (Also this post will be long so sorry in advance lol). I recently learned about this case from my friend, whose dad was very close friends with Robert Stonebreaker. (My dream job is to be an investigator one day. lol. She told me about this case because she was curious to hear what my opinion was. She told me about how sweet Robert was and how her dad has always been heartbroken that whoever did this hasn't been caught). My friend told me that her dad believes the wife (Pamela) did it in order to get insurance money, but she said her dad only feels that way because that's what the cops have said. (Her dad tends to take anything law enforcement says as complete 100% gospel truth...lol.) My friend went to their home many times over the years and said that Robert was the sweetest guy and that he and Pam never showed any indication of issues and always seemed to be a happy family. But she did acknowledge that of course people can always put on a façade so she isn't sure what to think. This is also over 12 years old so she admits her memory might be faulty. But I did my own research on this case and it's so crazy I'd never even heard of it, because I used to live in Rancho Santa Fe up the street from where it happened. (Then again, RSF was kind of a creepy area and it seemed like a lot of shady stuff was going on under the radar out there. I miss the scenery but not the weird people).

I apologize if some of these questions have been answered or if it seems redundant. I read this thread but like I said, I'm new here and may have missed something. Some things that stood out to me/questions I have:

1.) There is a picture of the car Robert was driving that night that was posted online on his brother's website (https://robertstonebreakerrewardfund-com.webs.com/). I was actually kind of surprised at how minimal the damage appears to be. Well, it's definitely banged up but the articles made it sound like the car was completely trashed/totaled as the CHP originally suspected someone died in it, so I expected the car to be in a much worse condition. The picture shows what looks like maybe a bad fender-bender, but I'd never see that and assume someone died in it. (I had a relatively minor fender-bender years ago; no one was hurt, and even my car looked worse than Robert's Porsche from that night). Not sure if law enforcement ever revealed this, but was his Porsche a manual transmission?? I would think it was. I ask this because I'm wondering (and this is just speculation) that if it's possible that Robert was going to that house at Paseo Delicias for whatever reason (I'll get to my theory/question on that in a minute) but maybe he parked on the side of the road like that for lack of parking spaces, didn't want to be seen, etc. (again, all speculation) and maybe he accidentally left the car in neutral gear after parking it and it rolled off into the embankment after he'd walked up to the house? It would explain the minimal damage and why there was no blood in the car or any sign of anybody having suffered any trauma in the car. The car's condition certainly doesn't look like the result of someone swerving off the road in a panic. So it's possible that the crashed car was completely separate/irrelevant from the murder itself, and maybe law enforcement has put too much thought into trying to connect the crashed car to the murder and that's why it hasn't been solved??

2.) I noticed that LE seems very intent on the wife being behind it, and of course anything is possible, but it seems really sloppy/lazy to me that LE would just go with the typical "oh the wife did it for insurance money" theory and not really explore other avenues. Maybe they did, but from all the research I've done, I haven't seen LE implicate anyone else besides Pam, his wife. The only information I can find is that she tried to get the life insurance money very shortly after he died, but while this may seem suspicious to some, it really isn't proof of murder. Robert bought those policies years prior so it's not like she went and got life insurance on him and the next day he was dead. The life insurance-motivated theory seems like the cookie-cutter answer and it almost seems like LE has no interest in solving the case unless they can find a way to fit the facts into their theory. They complain that Pam won't talk to LE anymore & has lawyered up. Yes, I can definitely understand why this is strange and that it's odd someone wouldn't want to help LE as much as possible to find the killer of their loved one. But, on the other hand, think about all the times innocent people have gone to prison because they tried too hard to be helpful and didn't realize until it was too late that police had tunnel vision on them. In those cases, suddenly everyone is saying, "Well s/he should've gotten a lawyer! Don't talk to police! Get a lawyer!" So either way she's going to be criticized. They act like if you get a lawyer, you're guilty, but if you don't, you're stupid. People will have things to say regardless, so you might as well pick the option that is legally beneficial to you.

Also, is someone practicing their 5th amendment privilege really an excuse for not solving a case? We all have the constitutional right against self-incrimination and they want to tell us that invoking that right suddenly makes the cops incapable of doing their job? If that's the case, then we really need to re-think who we are electing to enforce the law. But I digress.

3. Were the residents at the home where Robert was found dead ever looked into? This thread is the only time I've seen the residents even mentioned. It's very strange to me that LE sort of just seemed to completely buy the story that the dude who lived at the house gave them... that he found Robert in his driveway that morning with no idea what happened. My friend who told me about this case was shocked when I found the picture online of where Robert's body was found. She had always assumed he crawled for help from a crash and that he was hit over the head as he reached the driveway, and that he was found at the beginning of the driveway by the street. (This was what the cops had told her and her dad). She was surprised when I showed her that Robert was actually found at the top of the driveway near the garage, past the locked iron gate (which would've been practically impossible to climb over, if not really difficult, and yet somehow this dude in the house didn't hear or see Robert who was presumably screaming and running for help while struggling to climb a gate, and didn't see a maniac chasing him with some sort of object that he smacked Robert with over his head, hard enough to kill him, and somehow ran off undetected). Mind you, the dude in the house, Michael Reed, was a retired personal injury lawyer who would very likely know how to talk to cops in a way to divert suspicion off himself. He mentioned having used Robert's veterinary services; I wonder if it's because it would look too suspicious for him to be like, "I have absolutely no idea who this man is!" so indicating a minimal familiarity maybe makes him seem less suspicious?

I did a search of that house through public records and found that the lawyer who lived there, Michael Reed, is/was married to a woman named Helen Lacey Reed who is bigtime into horseracing. Rancho Santa Fe resident overcomes adversity to win national equestrian title - She'd gone through a bit of a dry spell apparently from 2007-2010 due to depression (according to the article) and interestingly after Robert's death, her depression subsided. This might be a long shot but could this possibly have anything to do with Robert's father-in-law, Pam's dad Leonard Blach, who, just before Robert's death was the winner of the Kentucky Derby and had a race horse worth millions that Del Mar was trying to get?? Leonard was also allegedly tied to an illegal bribery (Report: Mine That Bird Owner Tied to Scandal) - was someone maybe angry with him and took revenge on him by inviting Robert, his son-in-law, over to the house and killing him? (just a guess). Or another guess is he invited Robert over and something went wrong, and the smack over the head was possibly an accident/heat of the moment thing so they panicked and came up with the idea of "finding him" in the driveway? I just find it very weird that Robert, the son-in-law of a famous horse-racer with a horse in high demand, just happens to end up dead in the driveway of a lawyer whose wife's horseracing career was deteriorating and suddenly flourished after Robert was killed. Again, just a theory, but I'd be curious to hear what people think, and again my apologies if these points have already been addressed. Thanks for reading. :)
 
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(Sorry new to this site and accidentally posted the same message twice :P won’t let me delete it.)
 
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Welcome @aliciaengel010. I'm sorry for your friend's father losing his friend. Dr. Stonebreaker was my bird's vet, and I met Pam through going to their office. My children loved going to the bird sanctuary.

I have no idea why LE thought they should concentrate all their efforts on the spouse when there were so many mysterious other connections to investigate. Then, after so much pointing at Pam, LE dropped the ball, IMO, and didn't do enough to actually solve this case.

Your post is very interesting, and there's many points to consider. You did try to organize your thoughts. I think it'd be easier (on my eyes and brain) to break it up because I feel overwhelmed by everything brought up in one post. I agree with some of what you've pointed out.

My own feelings are that none of the residents and neighbors in the area where Robert ended up having the car accident and wandering into a yard would have much to do with it. Mainly, the timing and impromptu of it all happening as a plan by someone in the area seems... sorry but, far-fetched. MOO, the residents are innocent bystanders and can't be sleuthed in-depth here just for living there.

IIRC, no one has brought up anything about the horseracing community or any real connection Robert had to it that would warrant him being murdered. Horseracing people he knew, but what would be the motive to murder him?

Back in this thread is some mention of other angles. Be sure to read this thread going back from the start. I appreciate all the thought you've put into this case and hope you continue posting here.
 
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Trying to prod my memory on some of the speculation brought up in the beginning of this case. Road rage was a consideration. Also like you said, @aliciaengel010, there's question of whether there's a trail of blood, and yes, the residents at the house driveway he was found. Here are links to some posts you might want to read. There was also a lawsuit Dr. Stonebreaker filed.


 
  • #87
There's still some question as to whether this was an accident or a murder. Fresh eyes needed and further investigation. Bumping past info--

"LE say Stonebreaker overcompensated for the curve twice."


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The veterinarian's 2008 Porsche Carrera
 
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Author: David Gotfredson - Published: 5/22/2012 1:35:48 PM

"The Porsche belonged to Robert Stonebreaker and it shows the damage that the vehicle sustained as the result of a collision," said San Diego Sheriff's Homicide Sgt. Dave Martinez.

Exactly why the 53-year-old veterinarian was out driving on that Saturday night remains a mystery. California Highway Patrol officers found the Porsche in a ditch off the 6700 block of Paseo Delicias in Rancho Santa Fe.

Dr. Stonebreaker, a resident of Encinitas, was not inside the vehicle and officers towed away the Porsche that night.

"They checked the whole area and there was no sign of any blood, there was no sign of anything to indicate that the driver had any serious trauma," said CHP Sgt. Lewis Hall at the time of the crash.

The next morning, a neighbor came outside to find Stonebreaker's body lying in a nearby driveway. The cause of death was a blow to the back of the head, according to the medical examiner.


Detectives believe the doctor may have walked or ran about 100 yards up the driveway to the spot where his body was discovered. That driveway was gated but if Stonebreaker was being chased, he may have climbed a side fence looking for help.
 
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Well, it's just hard to believe it was an accident after reading what the Medical Examiner concluded.

His body was more than 100 yards away from where the Porsche had been found.

Lt. Dennis Brugos, who has since retired from the sheriff’s homicide unit, said in previous news reports that the blunt force trauma found to Robert Stonebreaker was inconsistent with a fall.

The county’s medical examiner’s office ruled his death a homicide and not the result of a traffic collision, according to the sheriff’s department.


The case is the most recent of several “cold case” files handled by the sheriff’s department, but Sgt. Dave Martinez said the medical examiner and the sheriff’s departments are still working on it.

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(2016 one of the last updates found)
And in 2011, a prominent veterinarian, Robert Stonebreaker, was found dead in the driveway of a Paseo Delicias home some distance from his crashed Porsche Carrera. The case was termed a homicide based on an injury to the back of his head, not believed caused in the crash.
The cases are still open.
 
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Welcome @aliciaengel010. I'm sorry for your friend's father losing his friend. Dr. Stonebreaker was my bird's vet, and I met Pam through going to their office. My children loved going to the bird sanctuary.

I have no idea why LE thought they should concentrate all their efforts on the spouse when there were so many mysterious other connections to investigate. Then, after so much pointing at Pam, LE dropped the ball, IMO, and didn't do enough to actually solve this case.

Your post is very interesting, and there's many points to consider. You did try to organize your thoughts. I think it'd be easier (on my eyes and brain) to break it up because I feel overwhelmed by everything brought up in one post. I agree with some of what you've pointed out.

My own feelings are that none of the residents and neighbors in the area where Robert ended up having the car accident and wandering into a yard would have much to do with it. Mainly, the timing and impromptu of it all happening as a plan by someone in the area seems... sorry but, far-fetched. MOO, the residents are innocent bystanders and can't be sleuthed in-depth here just for living there.

IIRC, no one has brought up anything about the horseracing community or any real connection Robert had to it that would warrant him being murdered. Horseracing people he knew, but what would be the motive to murder him?

Back in this thread is some mention of other angles. Be sure to read this thread going back from the start. I appreciate all the thought you've put into this case and hope you continue posting here.
Yes my bad, I know my post ended up being really long.. I tend to go on tangents. Lol. I'll be sure to break it up a little more when I post in the future.

I do agree that it all being planned by someone in the area for him to crash would be far-fetched, and I'm curious as to how law enforcement knew he overcorrected twice when driving? I'm assuming there were skid marks? But having lived in that area, I remember accidents happening there all the time... is it possible the skid marks were from someone else's accident/reckless driving completely separate from this incident? It seemed like every week I'd be hearing about a new accident when I lived there. I guess it's just that the damage on the Porsche looks relatively minimal for someone who had lost control of their car and swerved off the road. And the fact that there were no signs of anyone being hurt in the car is what makes me wonder if he just accidentally left the Porsche parked in neutral and it slid into the embankment after he got out to walk up to the house or wherever he was going. Then maybe while he was at the house or nearby meeting up with whoever he was planning to see (assuming he was out there to meet someone, just speculation though), something happened and someone got angry and smacked him over the head, killing him... and his empty, parked car rolling into an embankment nearby due to negligence of leaving it parked in neutral gear might've had nothing to do with what happened to him in the driveway. Would that be possible? (Again not saying this happened, just a theory I'm considering). I'm reading these posts and LE seems convinced the car accident was somehow connected to his death, but is it possible LE is focusing on the wrong thing here and their attempts to somehow connect the car crash to his death is muddying up their investigation and making it more confusing/mysterious than it really is?

I guess my question is if law enforcement's theory of him being chased off the road and then followed until he got the driveway where he was hit on the head is true (and his brother is also very adamant about this theory), then it still leaves other questions. If it was road rage, how did this person just happen to have an object hard enough to hit him over the head with? There would've been no way of knowing ahead of time he was going to crash. Also it was a rainy night.. would someone really be that angry over road rage that they'd be willing to park and chase him through the rain, without slipping at all in the mud? Also LE and Robert's brother seem to think Robert climbed over the gate looking for help, but I would think the rain would make it even more difficult to climb over that gate. Of course it's possible, but it seems far-fetched. As other people mentioned in this thread, why wouldn't he go to a closer house that didn't have a gate? (There were at least two that were closer to where his car was).

It doesn't seem far-fetched to me though, that Robert parked his car, went to meet up with someone in that area (not saying it was necessarily a resident, could've been anyone) and by coincidence, his car slipped into the ditch after he had already gotten out of it (which happens with manual transmissions if you park them in neutral. Happened to me once when I drove a stick shift... it's not an uncommon mistake. My car almost slid off of a hill when I accidentally parked it in neutral and luckily a bush caught it, or it would've crashed straight down the hill).

That's just a scenario that comes up in my head; I'm not trying to blame the residents or say they definitely had anything to do with it. Anything is possible but I'm not pointing fingers at anyone in particular. Just exploring all the options. :) Thanks for your reply. I'll break up my thoughts into other posts to make it easier. :)
 
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Detectives believe the doctor may have walked or ran about 100 yards up the driveway to the spot where his body was discovered. That driveway was gated but if Stonebreaker was being chased, he may have climbed a side fence looking for help.

It's possible but this gate looks practically impossible to climb, especially in the rain. If he was running for help, wouldn't he run to the closer house that didn't have a gate.... unless maybe this house with the gate was the only one with lights on, so he knew someone would be home and able to help.

I guess it's possible he could've climbed over the side fence (the wooden part), but do we know if he was found with scratches or leaves or any indication that he might've run/climbed through vegetation to get there? It makes more sense to me that someone let him in through the gate, but I'm just guessing. Not saying the residents for sure let him in, but it just seems more likely to me and I'm just kind of surprised that LE didn't look a little further into that. The theory of him crashing and then climbing over this gate seems more far-fetched to me, but LE seems very intent on this theory so I'm assuming they have a reason for believing that.


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The next morning, a neighbor came outside to find Stonebreaker's body lying in a nearby driveway. The cause of death was a blow to the back of the head, according to the medical examiner.

I don't want to wrongly cast blame on the residents if they truly are just innocent bystanders. My question though, is that are they really just innocent bystanders? I know they haven't been charged with anything by LE, and forgive me if I'm overstepping here, but is it really unreasonable for LE to maybe dig a little more into the people who happened to have a dead body in their driveway? Was their house ever searched? It'd be one thing if he was found on the street outside their home. But he was found on their property, behind a gate that can only be opened by residents (and this seems more likely than him climbing over it, but then again LE must have a reason for this theory so maybe some sort of evidence points to that. But the wording in the article makes it seem like they were just theorizing and almost like they were reaching to come up with some scenario to exonerate the residents of any wrongdoing. Just my gut feeling though... of course I could be wrong).

I agree with you that it's too unlikely that someone in that area planned for him to crash and then HAPPEN to wind up in their driveway so that they could kill him. But what if he was there visiting the residents and something went wrong, and he got killed in the driveway, and the car being crashed in a ditch was completely separate, i.e. a result of him negligently leaving it parked in neutral but LE's focus on the crash is causing the confusion? Just a theory, of course. It just seems really strange to me that given that Robert was found at the top of the driveway by the garage, how would no one have seen anything from the night before? No one really noticed anything until the next morning? A maniac chases Robert up the driveway, hits him and runs off, and nothing is seen at all? Unless they weren't home, but if that were the case, then why would Robert have chosen to run up that driveway for help?

Again, I don't want to cast blame on innocent people. But given that this case is still unsolved, and that LE has pretty much seemed to reach a dead-end with the theory of the wife being involved (which also confuses me as to how they think she "planned" this crash... the idea of him being chased off the road and the idea of the wife having calculated this seem to contradict each other. I guess their theory is she hired/conspired with some maniac to chase him down, but how did this person for sure know he was going to crash? Even if you try to run someone off the road, how could they be sure that someone wouldn't happen to drive by and witness this? This seems like a weird plan to be calculated). I guess what I'm saying is that I don't think it's unreasonable to look a little more into the people who have a dead body in their driveway, people who admit to knowing Robert due to him being a vet, and people who have a news article saved about him. As for what the motive would be, I'm not sure, and Robert didn't seem to have some scandalous secret life, so I'm not sure why someone would want him dead. The horseracing connection was a stretch, I'll admit, and I'm not saying it was the reason for Robert's murder, as he didn't seem to be involved in that type of thing other than having the connection through his in-laws. It was just an avenue to look into since LE seems to just keep hammering at one theory that has gone nowhere, so maybe someone just needs to come in and explore other possibilities rather than going through lengths to try to find a way to blame the wife, and LE seems to have done.

Sorry, I get really interested in trying to solve things so forgive my tangents lol. I'll try not to overwhelm people with my long posts/information haha... I'm new at posting on here so forgive me while I'm learning to navigate all this. Thanks for your insight and for the links. I hope to continue this conversation and hope that justice for that poor man is served one day. No one deserves to die that way, especially not someone who was so compassionate and devoted his life to helping animals. I hope whoever did this is caught and put away.
 
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Doesn't seem far-fetched to me though, that Robert parked his car, went to meet up with someone in that area (not saying it was necessarily a resident, could've been anyone) and by coincidence, his car slipped into the ditch after he had already gotten out of it (which happens with manual transmissions if you park them in neutral.
No, it doesn't. You put the handbrake on. If you don't the car will roll before you've even got out of it. Plus LE would've seen that the handbrake was left off in Roberts car if that was the case!

Happened to me once when I drove a stick shift... it's not an uncommon mistake. My car almost slid off of a hill when I accidentally parked it in neutral and luckily a bush caught it, or it would've crashed straight down the hill).

Coming from a country (and continent) that really only has manual cars, I can tell you that these accidents very rarely happen. Honestly. You just don't forget to put the handbrake on. The car will be like a rollerskate if you don't, and you'll be able to feel it roll about before you even get out.
They drill 'putting the handbrake on' in every single driving lesson and no-one one ever forgets it.
"Handbrake & neutral" is the last thing you do before switching the ignition off. Every time.
 
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It has been twelve years, and I've followed many cases on WS since then, so I do need to keep refreshing my memory by going back through prior posts that contain facts and other's thoughts on what might've happened.

... attorney recognized his face from getting treatment from Dr. Stonebreaker, and he kept a newspaper article with a photo of him, it seems implausible (to me) that he was so startled he killed him. If someone I didn't know was in my driveway, and I was startled, I wouldn't go about killing them first thing! I would at least say "who are you?" "why are you on my property?" etc. And his car was found at around 9:30 at night, so it's not like it was in the middle of the night. Also, if the attorney was startled, and accidentally hit him too hard, why not call 911 or try to get him some help?
^^^ This is a 2010 post @lafeeverte, who was coming up with great speculations to think about in their sleuthing, but hasn't been on here in awhile. Is it possible Robert managed to stumble to that driveway, and someone hit him too hard thinking he was a prowler? Did LE consider that when questioning the resident?
(snipped from original post) ...The lawsuit against Banfield for the unreadable microchips was filed in 2004, it is definitely another aspect to consider. It still doesn't answer where he was going that night, after rethinking my last post and other theories, he could not have been going to the nursery at 9:30pm. And I just looked on their website, and they are only open until 4:30pm. I truly believe he was going to a residence.
This lawsuit is something I remember, but not the details of it. Do you know anything about the lawsuit Dr. Stonebreaker had against this company? It might be worth looking into further.
 
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No, it doesn't. You put the handbrake on. If you don't the car will roll before you've even got out of it. Plus LE would've seen that the handbrake was left off in Roberts car if that was the case!



Coming from a country (and continent) that really only has manual cars, I can tell you that these accidents very rarely happen. Honestly. You just don't forget to put the handbrake on. The car will be like a rollerskate if you don't, and you'll be able to feel it roll about before you even get out.
They drill 'putting the handbrake on' in every single driving lesson and no-one one ever forgets it.
"Handbrake & neutral" is the last thing you do before switching the ignition off. Every time.

I see your point, but I think you're assuming that your experience is true for everyone. Just because you have the habit of putting it in gear and putting on the handbrake every single time you park doesn't mean everyone else does. Maybe it was ingrained into you when you were taught how to drive a stick shift, as it should be, but not everyone is as fortunate to have had an efficient teacher when learning a stick shift.

You say it's a rare experience for someone to make this mistake of leaving it in neutral. I've heard of it happening quite a few times where I live. Is it possible that because you live in an area where almost everyone drives manual cars, everyone is much more familiar with how a manual works so they're less inclined to make these types of mistakes? Here in California, not a lot of people drive manuals anymore. I had a manual for years and it was awful because of how hilly it is around here and how heavy traffic is. Some people drive manuals but I actually know several people who don't even know how to drive one. They just are not as common here. So it's really not far-fetched or unreasonable that someone wouldn't be super familiar with how a stick shift works, especially since Robert's car was newer at the time (it was a 2008) and perhaps he was still adjusting to driving a manual. I am pretty experienced with manuals but even I made the mistake of leaving it in neutral one time when I was leaving class and realized I'd forgotten something so I parked quickly and in the midst of the panic and rushing to go grab my stuff, I forgot to put the car in gear when I parked. And I hadn't pulled up the parking brake all the way, which didn't help. It's not always an instantaneous roll, and sometimes if you're really in a panic, you can blank and forget to do things that seem like basic common sense. Everyone is trained differently and like I said, manual cars are becoming less and less popular around here so someone being unfamiliar with parking protocols of manual cars isn't unheard of.

Also how do we know that Robert's parking brake wasn't faulty? He might've left it in neutral and maybe he did put on the parking brake, but if it wasn't properly adjusted or had some glitch, it could've failed on him and caused his car to roll. Water & dirt can cause the cables to snap and can cause parking brake failure. Note that it was a rainy night, and Robert's car appears to have mud on the wheels, so it wouldn't be unlikely that this could've led to a parking brake failure. And yes, you'd think this is something LE would notice, but given that they still haven't been able to solve this case, there's clearly something they overlooked or somewhere along the lines, they dropped the ball, so I wouldn't dismiss something simply because LE didn't catch it.

I'm not discrediting what you're saying at all, but it's important to remember that simply because you have a certain experience in one regard doesn't mean that everyone else has had that same experience universally. So we can't really dismiss any theories just because it's not something we see or experience. I think assuming that everyone has the same knowledge and habits as you (not you personally, just in general I mean) is how a lot of cases end up unsolved or how a lot of important factors get overlooked. I think it's generally risky to assume that everyone's mindset is exactly the same. So we have to look at things from all angles. (I'm guilty of doing this was well; I think we all are to some extent. It's just something we all have to work on. Thank you for your insight & reply!)
 
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It has been twelve years, and I've followed many cases on WS since then, so I do need to keep refreshing my memory by going back through prior posts that contain facts and other's thoughts on what might've happened.


^^^ This is a 2010 post @lafeeverte, who was coming up with great speculations to think about in their sleuthing, but hasn't been on here in awhile. Is it possible Robert managed to stumble to that driveway, and someone hit him too hard thinking he was a prowler? Did LE consider that when questioning the resident?


This lawsuit is something I remember, but not the details of it. Do you know anything about the lawsuit Dr. Stonebreaker had against this company? It might be worth looking into further.

Oh you might be onto something in regards to the lawsuit. I'm going to look into it. I'll report my findings here. :)

Also a good point about the prowler theory. I have a feeling LE dropped the ball in regards to this resident. Not saying he's guilty or pointing fingers, but from the research I've done, LE seemed to just take his word for gospel and that's kind of dangerous in my opinion. I get not wanting to come off as accusatory and not wanting to just make assumptions about him, but when LE is investigating, I think it's equally as sloppy to make assumptions in the other direction. To just automatically assume someone is guilty with no proof at all is dangerous, but I think it's also faulty to just assume someone is completely innocent and telling the truth, especially when that person has a dead body in their driveway, next to their house, ON their property behind the gate... it's not like they just randomly found his body on the street or on any public property. Again, I'm not saying it would be right for them to jump on the resident and treat him like a criminal, but I also find it odd to just take his word completely for gospel without further looking into it. The dude was a lawyer and I imagine very experienced in talking to cops. (My friend was also shocked when I told her the guy in the house was a lawyer. She said that changed a lot for her, but wouldn't elaborate. When I asked what that meant to her or why it changed things, she was like, "I thought it was a random person's house. I didn't know it was a lawyer's house. I'll tell my dad because that makes a big difference." I'll try to get more info out of her next time I see her).

But, like I said, I'm going to look more into that lawsuit. Perhaps there was some connection between the attorney at the house and the lawsuit. I realize that's probably a stretch but worth looking into. And the prowler theory is a real possibility. Do you know if they ever elaborated on the head injuries? Like was he hit once, or multiple times? If he were smacked once a little bit too hard leading to his accidental death, that might match up with the prowler theory. Like maybe his car stalled or he accidentally hydroplaned off the road (it was a rainy night and that road is unlit & windy) and he maybe saw the lights on at that house, climbed over the wooden fence next to the gate, and someone at the house thought he was a prowler and smacked him in hopes to scare him and was a bit too aggressive. But if he were struck multiple times, that would indicate more of a personal rage. From what I hear about him, I can't imagine someone being so angry with him that they'd want to assault or kill him. I know people can put on facades, but after 12 years, if he had some scandalous secret, I would think it would've come out by now.

One thing I do believe is that his death probably wasn't calculated for months in advance or anything like that. If someone is shot or stabbed, that's usually more of a sign of premeditation but blunt force trauma sounds more like something happened to him accidentally, or even if someone was angry and smacked him over the head, I have a feeling it was a more heat of the moment type of thing. I don't think there was a prearranged plan to kill him. Just my gut instinct.
 
  • #97
When speculating about this case, there are 3 important facts to keep in mind.

* Despite being unable to contact or locate Bob, Pam decided to leave town to attend a volleyball tournament in Norwalk the following morning.
* Pam refuses to speak to the police.
* In an affidavit, Pam stated that she first learned of Bob's death when the medical examiner called and told her he was dead. Standard protocol for informing next of kin about a death is to do it in person, whenever possible. Her statement, is a lie.
I'm not saying you're wrong necessarily, but how do you know for a fact that she's lying? Maybe they didn't follow protocol. It seems like a lot things were done very sloppily in how authorities have handled this case, so it's not impossible that they didn't follow standard protocol. Also, was she not still in Norwalk when they called her? Maybe they tried to go to her house to notify her, but she wasn't there so the only other way of communicating with her was by phone. I mean Norwalk is a good few hours away from Encinitas; I wouldn't expect them to drive up and down yonder to find her when they can reach her by phone.

Also, I'm just playing devil's advocate here... but the part about still going to their kid's volleyball tournament in Norwalk despite not being able to locate Bob isn't completely a red flag to me. Maybe she didn't want her kid to worry? She seems to be a very active sports mom. Maybe she didn't want her kid to worry and be distracted during the game? If she didn't know something had happened to him, maybe she tried to just keep their routine going as normal so in case he did turn up, she wouldn't have felt bad for causing worry when there was no need for there to be. After all, I know you've said in other posts that their marriage was rocky, so maybe him not coming home wasn't unusual or cause to worry? I'm not saying this is the case, but I just think that these points you made, while valid, could be argued either way. They aren't exactly solid proof of sketchy behavior.
 
  • #98
...It's possible but this gate looks practically impossible to climb, especially in the rain. If he was running for help, wouldn't he run to the closer house that didn't have a gate.... unless maybe this house with the gate was the only one with lights on, so he knew someone would be home and able to help.

I guess it's possible he could've climbed over the side fence (the wooden part), but do we know if he was found with scratches or leaves or any indication that he might've run/climbed through vegetation to get there? It makes more sense to me that someone let him in through the gate, but I'm just guessing....
Let's stay on this subject for now.
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^^^ You posted this pic that must be from a news video. (video link no longer working though) I tried to find the gate on the google map, but couldn't see it. Don't remember seeing the gate, but now that I do, yes, it's no simple gate to climb when injured. It makes sense to question if either the gate was open or someone let him in. There was no blood trail to the gate? Seems then he might've been hit on the head there then.

CHP found his car 6700 block of Paseo Delicias in Rancho Santa Fe, CA.

"Detectives believe the doctor may have walked or ran about 100 yards up the driveway to the spot where his body was discovered. That driveway was gated but if Stonebreaker was being chased, he may have climbed a side fence looking for help."

Where's the gate?
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  • #99
Let's stay on this subject for now.

^^^ You posted this pic that must be from a news video. (video link no longer working though) I tried to find the gate on the google map, but couldn't see it. Don't remember seeing the gate, but now that I do, yes, it's no simple gate to climb when injured. It makes sense to question if either the gate was open or someone let him in. There was no blood trail to the gate? Seems then he might've been hit on the head there then.

CHP found his car 6700 block of Paseo Delicias in Rancho Santa Fe, CA.

"Detectives believe the doctor may have walked or ran about 100 yards up the driveway to the spot where his body was discovered. That driveway was gated but if Stonebreaker was being chased, he may have climbed a side fence looking for help."

Where's the gate?
Yes, my apologies about that video link. I posted it because it shows a close-up picture of the gate, but I haven't been able to actually watch the video because I get an "error" report. I was just showing how difficult it would be to climb that gate.

So here are some images that might help. It's tricky because google doesn't allow street view for a lot of the area around RSF, so I did my best to try to find what I could to help clarify. I think I see where the confusion is; you typed in "6700 block of Paseo Delicias" and that's the image that comes up (the one you posted). And so the house you're looking at isn't the one where he was found. Robert was found in the driveway at 6792 Paseo Delicias, as stated in other articles. I've zoomed in and circled in red where the gate is. Hope this helps.

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Now, this might help clarify. This is a more zoomed out image of the same area. The pin at the bottom is where Robert's car was found. The red line shows the path leading up to the spot where his body was found. So, he would've had to walk the distance up that narrow road, climb over that gate and make his way all the way up the hilly driveway, because his body was found right by the house where the red line stops. That's why it seems odd to me that no one in the house saw or noticed anything until 8 a.m. the next morning.
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These next pics are some street view pics of the spot where his car was found, on the main road of Paseo Delicias. (It was found crashed on the other side of the white brick wall. I think people get confused because this brick wall is similar to the brick wall next to where the black iron gate is, several feet up the road). It seems odd to me that if he crashed there and was running for help, why wouldn't he climb over the fence of the house right there by the embankment? So you'll notice how the house he was found at, 6792 Paseo Delicias, wasn't even viewable from the road, so how did he even know the house was there? So that's why the road rage theory doesn't add up to me. It's not impossible, but I hope these map pictures help explain as to why I personally find that theory a little less likely.

Also notice how narrow the road going to the house is, so I also figured it wouldn't be unusual if he maybe parked on Paseo Delicias due to the lack of parking near the house, if that's where he was going. That's when I speculated as to whether he parked the car near that embankment and it slid into it rather than him crashing it from driving... because it seems weird to me that someone suffering injuries from a crash would have the strength/mind awareness to run all the way up that long driveway after climbing a gate that's technically not even visible from where his car crashed.

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  • #100
Bumping^^^ THANK YOU @aliciaengel010 for posting pics along with your extremely thought-provoking post. I appreciate you taking the time you did to show details. It's valuable info to have on this thread along with actual pictures. To see, with our own eyes, the distance in a pic is really shocking!

Wow, there is something wrong with LE not investigating this to the max. WTH! I can't understand how he would've walked that far and why. There's just something that can't be explained easily that only LE might have been able to dwell into, and didn't.

Do you think the person living in that house where RS was found dead the next morning should have or could have heard him outside? You lived in that area before and might be able know what it's like better than I. Keep going, you're doing a good job of it. JMO-- just try to handle one subject at a time thoroughly, and revealing the different ways to look at it. Great work!

 

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