CA CA - East Area Rapist/Golden State Killer *ARREST* #2

[renegawlt]

Maybe not so strange. He was fired for shop-lifting in ‘79 and his eldest child wasn’t born until ‘81. I can see JJD, who seems pretty arrogant, to not want to talk about something shameful in his past (probably more shamed and angry that he was caught rather than the shoplifting itself.) I could see his lawyer wife also being angry and embarrassed by the situation. I can see a scenario where both decided to never mention the JJD’s prior jobt, especially not to their daughters.

But... GOOGLE. All they had to do was google him. This seems intellectually lazy, at best.

I wonder if they are googling him NOW?

 

[LotusPawprint]

Has this been posted yet here? I couldn't find it...
http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/crime/article210003114.html

This part stood out to me:
(Paul Holes talking about JJD's daughters)
"They had no clue about their father's alleged criminal past; in fact, Holes said they didn't even know he was a police officer."

So his daughters didn't even know he was a cop? That means his wife didn't ever tell the daughters he was a cop either....
That seems so strange to me.

Well this would indicate that Paul has spoken to (at least) one of the daughters ..or another investigator has. Which is good. I certainly feel for them. What an absolute nightmare.
Let's hope the wife/estranged will talk and cooperate freely as she could likely shed light on many aspects of the predator/timeline.

 

[Gussified]

But... GOOGLE. All they had to do was google him. This seems intellectually lazy, at best.

I wonder if they are googling him NOW?

Interesting. Have you googled your parents? I haven’t. Maybe I will now, though I’m pretty sure it’s pretty boring if there’s anything at all.

eta: But my mom once googled an ex and found out he was in prison for killing a guy in a rage. And I googled a former co-worker once, and found out he was in prison for child .

 

[Grace11]

Checked my settings, try now?
https://drive.google.com/open?id=11AZt6-l5OUZ4NdA3TIeBeaWOpR9Smqr6&usp=sharing

Thank you for this map. I’m still unable to view it.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Maybe not so strange. He was fired for shop-lifting in ‘79 and his eldest child wasn’t born until ‘81. I can see JJD, who seems pretty arrogant, to not want to talk about something shameful in his past (probably more shamed and angry that he was caught rather than the shoplifting itself.) I could see his lawyer wife also being angry and embarrassed by the situation. I can see a scenario where both decided to never mention the JJD’s prior jobt, especially not to their daughters.

I know and remember both of my parents work history because I find it interesting to know. I'm sure most people are interested in that.

I have a feeling that both parents lied to their children about DeAngelo's work history. I wonder why the mother didn't tell the kids the truth after she and their father where estranged? JMO

 

[Suglo]

They could have told the kids that he quit because he didn't like the job. JMO

Except that then they might talk about it and someone who knew could tell them he didn’t quit. Who knows. Your response is valid. I doubt we will ever know.

 

[terpstra1]

How so? Wouldn’t both be needed for a “match,” then LE would need to test DeAngelo’s legally to verify? (I’m admittedly no expert on this topic; I’m only speculating.)

If the nephew gave LE a sample of his DNA they would have compared it to GSK's DNA and found that he was a close relation. (My nieces DNA shows up on my family tree as a niece)From there they would have looked into his family to see who the likely suspect was. Once they narrow that down they can try and collect his DNA threw a discarded cup or cigarette etc. Apparently it's all moot now as the poster has said it was not his uncle.

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[Suglo]

But... GOOGLE. All they had to do was google him. This seems intellectually lazy, at best.

I wonder if they are googling him NOW?

I have never googled my parents. It never occurred to me to do so. I’m sure they’re googling now.

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

Yes. I'm very interested in why they never divorced. Maybe she earned more than he did and didn't want to pay alimony. Perhaps, she had her suspicions, though.

Great point, Mamamerced. Now I’m curious, too!!

I’ve been reading about long-term separations (10 years or more). About 15 percent of people who separate long-term don’t end up divorcing, which was surprising to me. That seems relatively common.

Of the two couples I know like this, there are children involved ... and, imo, lingering control issues on one or both sides. ... Child support enforcement, “restricting” either of both from fully moving on or remarrying, lingering “intimacy” issues, fear of retribution if it’s an abusive relationship (just leave and don’t look back), finances, health, child custody issues, etc.

Perhaps DeAngelo never agreed to divorce because he didn’t want anything negative in the court record if accusations would be made between them, etc.? Sorta like he didn’t really fight the shoplifting thing because he didn’t want anyone looking further into his background.

Hmmmmmmm.

Didn’t he end up raising at least two of their kids? Or am I misremembering?

I don’t think it would be an affordability issue.

Here are a few links I found on the “permanent separation” issue:

The demographics of couples who separate, but don't divorce
http://m.startribune.com/the-demographics-of-couples-who-separate-but-don-t-divorce/166767186/

“The numbers from the study:

- 49 percent of participants left their first marriages.
- 60 percent of those participants first tried marital separations.
- 80 percent of those who first tried separations moved on to divorce.
- Among the 20 percent who didn't proceed to divorce, 5 percent tried to reconcile and 15 percent remained in long-term marriage separations.

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The Un-Divorced
https://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/01/fashion/01Undivorced.html

From the article:
“Technically, the two are married. They file joint tax returns; she’s covered by his insurance. But they see each other just several times a year. “Since separating we get along better than we ever have,” he said. “It’s kind of nice.”

“And at 58, he sees no reason to divorce. Their children have grown and left home. He asked himself: Why bring in a bunch of lawyers? Why create rancor when there’s nowhere to go but down?”

____________

This article also mentions reasons like insurance, pensions, selling a family home, Social Security benefits, income tax filing, etc. interesting, imo.

Pros and Cons of Long-Term Separation
https://www.legalzoom.com/articles/pros-and-cons-of-long-term-separation

“Sometimes the decision to stay separated may have more to do with social considerations; some couples simply prefer to continue conducting their lives as Mr. and Mrs. Married, whether or not their friends and family know the truth. Couples with children may feel that separating is less confusing or easier for their offspring. And many couples just don't “get around to” divorcing, seeing no real benefit in doing so, particularly if they don't expect to remarry.”

 

[Mamamerced]

I think something about being "married" or living with a woman triggered GSK's psychologial instability.
Thanks for all that long-term separation research, EtTu....

 

[terpstra1]

Ok the link you posted. States such.

No I did not post such a link. That is the third time today that you have put words in my mouth that I have neither said or posted.

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[2Hope4]

I know a woman that didn't know much about her Mom or Step Dad. She thought she did, but when she was going through their house to clean it out, she found boxes of papers. There was an adoption to a Catholic place that she knew nothing about but now knows she has a sister somewhere. Her Mom and Step Dad were actually divorced, though still lived together. She didn't know. And....her Step Dad was a lifetime child molester, she found letters written about the damage he had done to his children, and many families that he stayed with as a truck driver, as well as his siblings, and his grandchildren....

People are capable of hiding dark secrets.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

GSK's crime spree began within a month or two of getting married and ended after the birth of daughter #3 in May of '89. A timeline posted a few times here had him as divorced (separated?) by 1991. So, it seems the crimes lasted roughly the duration of the marriage. Interesting and strange.

I'm confused. I thought that DeAngelo got married in 1973 and the first assault attributed to him was in 1975 which is two years later. The last known crime was in 1986 which is five years before they separated. I'm not seeing the marriage link here.

Also dubbed the Original Night Stalker and the Visalia Ransacker, the serial killer is alleged to have committed 13 known murders and at least 45 rapes between 1975 and 1986.

It appears from archived newspaper articles that DeAngelo was married one time, to Sharon Marie Huddle, in 1973. Huddle, an attorney, and DeAngelo divorced in 1991, according to Fox 40.
However, other reports say the couple is technically still married, however estranged. “A law enforcement source tell me the suspected East Area Rapist, Joseph DeAngelo, is still technically married, though estranged from his wife,” Tom Miller, a KCRA reporter, wrote on Twitter.

https://heavy.com/news/2018/04/sharon-huddle-deangelo-joseph-marie-wife/

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

What i still cannot and maybe will never wrap my head around, is the idea of this thing masquerading as a human being, doing such hideous things, especially on a child and yet be a father to 3 females, one of whom has a 15 year old daughter living in the house with him!
Did he spy on his daughters, have hidden cameras in the house, rummage through their belongings?
What was on his mind when/if they had friends sleeping over, did he keep tabs on their teachers, friend's parents, boyfriends?
Wonder if he worried constantly about his children's safety, warning about sex predators?
So what is the security like at his house??
imo, speculation.

I wonder if he slowed down after having kids – especially daughters – because maybe he found a hint of empathy within himself and perhaps possibly realized how such violence might impact his girls.

I’m not defending him, mind you. His only sympathy, really, imo, would be about how HE might feel if HIS property (children) were somehow damaged.

At the same time, I wonder if his wife and children experienced his brutality in any number of ways. I realize none are sleuthable here, and for good reason.

My hope is that time will out the truth.

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

I think you're looking for a different word.

Nope.
Redundant: unnecessary, not required, inessential, unessential, needless, unneeded, uncalled for;

 

[WhaleWatcher]

So, California Prop 69 (DNA) should be amended to include public servants as a condition of employment or do we simply rely on the two words "public trust?"

 

[Mamamerced]

Rancher........you're correct about the known crimes stopping in '86, but not the starting. My oversight. http://image.ibb.co/jHpAoc/deangelo_timeline.jpg
I am just very suspect about the dynamics of that marriage....not that I'm accusing the wife of complicity. I'm not.

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

I'm confused. I thought that DeAngelo got married in 1973 and the first assault attributed to him was in 1975 which is two years later. The last known crime was in 1986 which is five years before they separated. I'm not seeing the marriage link here.

https://heavy.com/news/2018/04/sharon-huddle-deangelo-joseph-marie-wife/

Good point. And if we include the Visalia Ranscker timeline, those known crimes ran early 1974 to late 1975.

Bonnie broke off their “volatile” engagement in the early 70s. I’ve been looking for an exact date as to when their engagement was announced — and when Bonnie eventually married someone else. Not having much luck.

Anyone here have that info?

Wondering if Bonnie’s remarriage correlates with the beginning of the ransackings, etc.

Clips upthread also show he was caught stealing when he was a juvenile. Knowing he stalked victims, I wonder how far back his history of peeping goes, too.

 

[terpstra1]

I wonder if he slowed down after having kids – especially daughters – because maybe he found a hint of empathy within himself and perhaps possibly realized how such violence might impact his girls.

I’m not defending him, mind you. His only sympathy, really, imo, would be about how HE might feel if HIS property (children) were somehow damaged.

At the same time, I wonder if his wife and children experienced his brutality in any number of ways. I realize none are sleuthable here, and for good reason.

My hope is that time will out the truth.

This is pure speculation on my part. I think any of a number of things could have caused him to stop. His growing family would be at the top of my list. The development of DNA. Maybe middle age was creeping up on him. I don't believe he became a law abiding citizen though. As far as his family life, again this is pure speculation, I think the family tip toed around him. I also think it's possible his wife hasn't divorced him because she is in fear of his reaction.


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[EuTuCroquet?]

Rancher........you're correct about the known crimes stopping in '86. My oversight. http://image.ibb.co/jHpAoc/deangelo_timeline.jpg
I am just very suspect about the dynamics of that marriage....not that I'm accusing the wife of complicity. I'm not.

My speculative guess is that he was a horse’s rear-end during their marriage. Probably gone a lot, suspicions of infidelity(because he was out stalking so often), and emotional and perhaps physical abuse. I wonder if he “compared” her to Bonnie a lot — using negative and abusive language.