GUILTY CA - Ellorah Warner, 3 wks, Santa Clarita, 23 Jan 2015

[borndem]

The grandmother noticed the breastmilk in the fridge was untouched. And phone line was disconnected so she couldn't call out.

http://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-0125-missing-baby-20150125-story.html

Ummm. Both those sentences really say a lot, IMO. Grandmother said the baby's crying sounded weak -- if baby had had nothing to eat all day (we don't know this for sure), she may well have sounded weak; she may have been a bit dehydrated which can be very serious for a newborn. Why didn't he give her a bottle? And a disconnected phone -- why? Why? That, IMO, doesn't make it look too good for him. JMO

 

[tlcya]

I keep hping to come back and find an explanation that makes sense. Even though I know that is not possible.

I know what you mean

 

[NSS]

Was the phone disconnected due to an unpaid bill or did MW disconnect it?

If he did it, where was g'ma when he did this?

Unless this is a huge house, it is unlikely that g'ma didn't see the baby and MW all day. Even abusers need to eat, drink and use the bathroom. Not noticing the unused milk until 7pm is also unusual. Surely g'ma opened the fridge before the evening? Maybe g'ma works too.

A sad situation for all, and when g'ma called the police, why oh why were they unconcerned? I'd have lost my mind, begging them to do something. Poor lamb.

 

[borndem]

Which, I'd think, would make it even easier for her to take her baby. Maybe she didn't want to expose the baby to germs just yet. Maybe one of the children she babysits for has been ill.

Makes sense. It could be that grandmom wanted to be with her, too, so mom decided everything would be okay for her to say at home -- at least for a little while longer. JMHO.

 

[nikb]

according to the video his two felonies were drug related and for stealing vehicles.


that photo makes me cry -- beautiful bright baby girl........

I wonder if that vehicle she was found in was stolen?

That photo makes me cry, too. So sad.

Also thanks to the mods for updating the thread to include her name.

 

[borndem]

Thank you Mods for adding Baby Ellorah Rose's name to her thread.

She has captured my heart - and the hearts of many I am certain - in her incredibly short time here on this earth.

Her journey from creation, to gaining her angel wings, was incredibly brief. I just read that her birthday was January 5th - one day after my own BabyGirl. Another parallel that serves as a personal and painful reminder for me in this case.

I've made her a solemn promise, as I placed flowers into the sea after church this morning with my girls, that she would never be forgotten. We will be in SoCal visiting family soon, and if her memorial is open to the public, I will do my best to personally attend.

No child should ever have to pay such a heavy price for the violent dynamics between adults. Ellorah Rose will always be a reminder of how fragile life can be, and that it is our duty to follow our instincts to protect our most vulnerable - and that second chances aren't always guaranteed.

As I watched the petals being washed out to sea, tears flowed for so many reasons. I hope Baby Ellorah is at complete peace, surrounded by all the grace and love she so richly deserves.

It did NOT have to end this way. :cry:

Rest in everlasting peace, beautiful BabyGirl....

raying:
:candle:

#RIPEllorah

:rose:


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Thank you for your beautiful words and actions with the flowers, kimi. How tender and sweet. There's no telling how many candles have been lit, how many group prayers have been said, how many extra kisses and hugs are being given to children and grandchildren due to this case being publicized.

My birthday is Jaunuary 5th. When I saw that reported on little E, it took my breath away. I've had many wonderful birthdays in my life -- she will never have even one. Grrrrrr.

 

[Ontario Mom]

Thank you for your beautiful words and actions with the flowers, kimi. How tender and sweet. There's no telling how many candles have been lit, how many group prayers have been said, how many extra kisses and hugs are being given to children and grandchildren due to this case being publicized.

My birthday is Jaunuary 5th. When I saw that reported on little E, it took my breath away. I've had many wonderful birthdays in my life -- she will never have even one. Grrrrrr.

No, January 5th will always be her birthday no matter how many or how few she had. You and her will *always* share a birthday! I wish to add my thanks for the mods for adding her name here as well. Little Ellorah (and what a beautiful name that is) deserves at least that much.

 

[kimi_SFC]

She wasn't even three weeks old. She lived only 19 days.

Nineteen precious days of life with her Mom is nowhere near enough. I am sitting here in the dark, typing through my tears. My girls just finished choir practice, and I sat in the back, curled in the corner, crying off and on throughout the rehearsal. Listening to their voices, imagining Little Ellorah could hear them in heaven.

My youngest prayed for her tonight, and asked the angels to keep her safe. She's only 8, and is aware of her after seeing her photo on my camera roll, and asking me who she was. When I told her, and she found out about her birthday, she immediately said we had to put flowers in the ocean, as we do every year for Our Papa (my Dad). Her big sister agreed, so we did. My Jr. Websleuthers know how much these cases affect me, especially the DV / IPV cases involving children.

I wasn't expecting her prayer this evening, but maybe I should have been. The emotions surrounding Ellorah's loss are all-encompassing. The empathy is almost paralyzing, as I think of what she may have gone through. It's almost too much.

I firmly believe Ellorah's murder will open people's hearts and minds to IPV and DV, by encouraging understanding of the dynamics involved. It is complex, and easy for people to turn away from, because it is an ugly truth that is often easier to ignore than to address. There are no simple answers or easy fixes; however, people must be willing to tackle this issue on a societal level in order to inflict true change.

It is clear that the current systems we have in place are not truly sufficient to save our children and families. I'm not even certain what the answers are. What I do know is that I pledge to continue on in my studies, and to be the change I wish to see in the world.

There's no way I can sit back, and do nothing.

There's no way to remain unaffected by the death of Ellorah Rose. She only lived and breathed for eighteen amazing, wonderful days before her light was extinguished by the "man" who helped to give her life. I feel an allegiance to contribute back to this world, in her honor, for all the days she should have been allowed to live - for all of the milestones she will never accomplish.

It's the least I can do.

It's the RIGHT thing to do.

Will you?

#RIPEllorah

:rose:


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[GinaSeikwa]

Was he not at a 2 for 1 vodka party the previous night? Most probably got back late hungover and pissed off that mom was leaving for work early and he wouldn't be able to sleep off his buzz with the baby crying and wanting to be fed .
OT but its a damn shame that at less than 3 weeks postpartum a mother has to go back to work. Where I live you get a full year of maternity leave subsidized by the government and up to 2 years for breast feeding. I couldn't imagine returning to work so early. We have to go back to the doctor for a well body healing checkup at 3-4 weeks and that was difficult for me in itself with the driving there..etc. I think the US is one of the only countries with such a weak maternity leave policy. This poor mother. As someone else mentioned with her grief, engagement, hormones, healing body she mst be in unimaginable emotional and physical pain.

 

[kimi_SFC]

Was he not at a 2 for 1 vodka party the previous night? Most probably got back late hungover and pissed off that mom was leaving for work early and he wouldn't be able to sleep off his buzz with the baby crying and wanting to be fed .
OT but its a damn shame that at less than 3 weeks postpartum a mother has to go back to work. Where I live you get a full year of maternity leave subsidized by the government and up to 2 years for breast feeding. I couldn't imagine returning to work so early. We have to go back to the doctor for a well body healing checkup at 3-4 weeks and that was difficult for me in itself with the driving there..etc. I think the US is one of the only countries with such a weak maternity leave policy. This poor mother. As someone else mentioned with her grief, engagement, hormones, healing body she mst be in unimaginable emotional and physical pain.

A million times YES GinaSeikwa. I'm wondering if grandmom was home and tried to assist? Would he have even allowed it?

IIRC, he was on Facebook quite a bit on the afternoon of the 22nd awaiting Mom's arrival home.

Then he goes out that night and I'm assuming she off to work the next morning. Breast milk is in the fridge for Baby Ellorah. As a pediatric Polysomnographer, the current recommendations are for babies to sleep on their backs, especially at this young age, to promote the best and most protected airway.

Infant Sleep Position and SIDS



Healthy babies should be placed on their backs to sleep.

In 2005, the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) Task Force on Infant Sleep Position and SIDS (hereafter, the AAP Task Force) issued revised recommendations for reducing the risk of SIDS.1 Among them was the recommendation that healthy babies be placed on their backs to sleep as the main way to reduce SIDS risk.

https://www.nichd.nih.gov/publications/pubs/documents/SIDS_QA-508-rev.pdf?body= https://www.nichd.nih.gov/publications/pubs/documents/SIDS_QA-508-rev.pdf

My concern is what happened as soon as Ellorah was left in MWs "care." Was he impaired? Were they arguing? Was she not feeling well (fever, etc.) thus affecting her airway?

An 18 day old infant on breast milk typically needs fairly frequent feeding. This would not bode well for someone who is sleep-deprived, much less nursing a hangover and a baseline short fuse.

MW was a ticking time bomb. :cow: :moo:

I honestly believe Mom was working because she had to, but because she wanted to. No nursing mother wants to be anywhere but latched onto her BabyGirl, bonding.

I wonder if she was under duress to return to work because he was jealous of her connection with Ellorah. That would not surprise me in the slightest. In an abuser's world, possession is 9/10th of the law - and he was the law.



Purely speculative (based on experience) on my part... Just trying to make sense of something that I know I can't.

There's no justifying this.

:twocents:



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[kimi_SFC]

Thank you for your beautiful words and actions with the flowers, kimi. How tender and sweet. There's no telling how many candles have been lit, how many group prayers have been said, how many extra kisses and hugs are being given to children and grandchildren due to this case being publicized.

My birthday is Jaunuary 5th. When I saw that reported on little E, it took my breath away. I've had many wonderful birthdays in my life -- she will never have even one. Grrrrrr.

borndem, your post had me in tears all over again. My word, it has been brutal since Thanksgiving or so, hasn't it? I was born on TG a Day, and it just seems like we've had SO many children go missing or murdered since then. Each one takes a piece of your soul that you never get back. I try to tell myself that at least that part of me is in Heaven with the angels, but it doesn't make it hurt any less. :no:

I agree with my fellow WSer, January 5th will always be your and Baby Ellorah's special day - your "BornDay" - as my girls used to say before they could enunciate birthday as little ones. I will forever memorialize the day in her (and now your) honor, because of its proximity to my daughter's. As a family, we decided today that she deserves flowers in the ocean in remembrance, and if we can afford it, maybe we can do so from a boat on The Bay on her 1st Birthday.

It's truly amazing how one little girl can change the world. I hope that people never, ever forget her.

I know she's forever changed our lives, and will live on in the hearts of those who post here on this thread, and beyond.

So, it's only fitting that you honor Ellorah Rose on your shared BornDay because you can. My faith allows me to believe she will be smiling down upon you when you do.

:grouphug:

:candle:




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[kimi_SFC]

A candlelight vigil has been announced for Baby Ellorah:

Ellorah Rose Warner | Baby Ellorah | Candelight Vigil for Ellorah Rose

This Tuesday 1/27/15 at 6:30pm to be held at Old Orchard Park in Newhall, CA

25023 Avenida Rotella Newhall, CA 91321

:candle:

Because this was announced via a fundraising site (they've reached just over 1K of the 10K goal for funeral expenses). I read only a few comments, and it appears public opinion is on the :fence: re: TW.

I am not posting the link until I receive Mod approval (TOS does not allow me to post the link at this time IIRC).

I will ETA if I receive a response in time. Otherwise, I will post an update.

This is approaching fairly quickly, for my fellow WSers in the Southland.

Baby Ellorah deserves the utmost support :moo: This is about HER. I saw this linked on MW's Facebook. She's the victim. The message is getting diluted at the moment, and I hope whoever is in coordinating this social media efforts realizes that appearances matter.

Someone needs to advocate for Baby Ellorah. I know that sounds harsh, but it's true. LE also needs to clear TW ASAP. Until that happens, this reaction is understandable. I hope both happen soon.

:moo: :moo:




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[newone]

A candlelight vigil has been announced for Baby Ellorah:

Ellorah Rose Warner | Baby Ellorah | Candelight Vigil for Ellorah Rose

This Tuesday 1/27/15 at 6:30pm to be held at Old Orchard Park in Newhall, CA

25023 Avenida Rotella Newhall, CA 91321

:candle:

Because this was announced via a fundraising site (they've reached just over 1K of the 10K goal for funeral expenses). I read only a few comments, and it appears public opinion is on the :fence: re: TW.

I am not posting the link until I receive Mod approval (TOS does not allow me to post the link at this time IIRC).

I will ETA if I receive a response in time. Otherwise, I will post an update.

This is approaching fairly quickly, for my fellow WSers in the Southland.

Baby Ellorah deserves the utmost support :moo: This is about HER. I saw this linked on MW's Facebook. She's the victim. The message is getting diluted at the moment, and I hope whoever is in coordinating this social media efforts realizes that appearances matter.

Someone needs to advocate for Baby Ellorah. I know that sounds harsh, but it's true. LE also needs to clear TW ASAP. Until that happens, this reaction is understandable. I hope both happen soon.

:moo: :moo:




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am guessing that LE will wait until after the vigil at least and/or at best after a memorial service for Ellorah....

if there are more announcements other than COD....jmo

 

[kimi_SFC]

During a news conference at the corner of Sierra Highway and Newhall Avenue, Francisco said shortly before noon that the child's mother was still being questioned but that she was distraught.

http://www.signalscv.com/section/36/article/132145/

The presser video has been pulled from this link

:thinking:


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[kimi_SFC]

Autopsy scheduled on Monday for baby found dead on Saturday

An autopsy is planned today on the body of a 3-week-old girl found dead last weekend, while the community rallies around the girl’s mother and the father remains jailed on suspicion of murdering the infant.

The girl was identified Sunday as Ellorah Rose Warner, just 19 days old, said Fred Corral of the Los Angeles County Coroner’s Department.

The girl’s father, 30-year-old Matthew Warner, was transferred to a jail in downtown Los Angeles from the Santa Clarita Valley Sheriff’s Station, a deputy said.

(snip)

Warner is scheduled to appear in San Fernando Superior Court Tuesday, according to custody information maintained by the Los Angeles County Sheriff Department’s Inmate Information Center.

He is being held on $1 million bail.

Meanwhile, the girl’s mother (redacted) remains devastated by the death of her child, said a close friend.

“She is reacting as you would imagine any mother would,” said AG (redacted), who set up a fundraising website to help the family with funeral costs.

“She’s not in condition to afford a funeral,” she said Sunday around noon. “We had a casket donated and we have nearly $1,000 raised.

“Our goal is to reach $10,000,” she said.

“This sweet baby girl brought so much joy to those that loved her, and she will be deeply missed,” AG wrote on the website.

More@Link

http://www.signalscv.com/m/section/36/article/132203/

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Color me confused. LE is stating Bsby Ellorah was 19 days old. This means the TOD would have to be after midnight on the 23rd.....

The parents were at the SCVSS at 9:35 PM.

Am I losing my noggin?

I guess I need to edit my posts - because LE wouldn't just say she's 19 days old haphazardly, would they?


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[mrsobrien]

Autopsy scheduled on Monday for baby found dead on Saturday

An autopsy is planned today on the body of a 3-week-old girl found dead last weekend, while the community rallies around the girl’s mother and the father remains jailed on suspicion of murdering the infant.

The girl was identified Sunday as Ellorah Rose Warner, just 19 days old, said Fred Corral of the Los Angeles County Coroner’s Department.

The girl’s father, 30-year-old Matthew Warner, was transferred to a jail in downtown Los Angeles from the Santa Clarita Valley Sheriff’s Station, a deputy said.

(snip)

Warner is scheduled to appear in San Fernando Superior Court Tuesday, according to custody information maintained by the Los Angeles County Sheriff Department’s Inmate Information Center.

He is being held on $1 million bail.

Meanwhile, the girl’s mother (redacted) remains devastated by the death of her child, said a close friend.

“She is reacting as you would imagine any mother would,” said AG (redacted), who set up a fundraising website to help the family with funeral costs.

“She’s not in condition to afford a funeral,” she said Sunday around noon. “We had a casket donated and we have nearly $1,000 raised.

“Our goal is to reach $10,000,” she said.

“This sweet baby girl brought so much joy to those that loved her, and she will be deeply missed,” AG wrote on the website.

More@Link

http://www.signalscv.com/m/section/36/article/132203/

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Color me confused. LE is stating Bsby Ellorah was 19 days old. This means the TOD would have to be after midnight on the 23rd.....

The parents were at the SCVSS at 9:35 PM.

Am I losing my noggin?

I guess I need to edit my posts - because LE wouldn't just say she's 19 days old haphazardly, would they?


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Maybe they're counting it based on the day she was found, I'm not sure what the policy is on that. Perhaps this will become clear when a TOD is ascertained.

 

[TTF14]

Maybe they're counting it based on the day she was found, I'm not sure what the policy is on that. Perhaps this will become clear when a TOD is ascertained.

This is something that was discussed on the Beverly Carter thread, too. Obituaries typically report the day the body was found as the date of death; I'd assume that's what's going on here as well.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

I think until they know COD and TOD they use the day the child was found.

I can not imagine this. I can not imagine having to leave your child to work and then coming back to find her missing and then deceased.
I am still holding out for something accidental and panic.

I just can not even walk through in my head someone deliberately hurting a newborn. It is just too horrible.

 

[kimi_SFC]

last possible explanation for mom not taking E with her to work and then I will stop beating this horse.

In light of possible DV IPV situation, maybe MW did not want to allow mom, baby and baby gear to all leave the house together to a place he was not allowed to follow and monitor. IF DV and IPV were a factor here, she may not have been "allowed" to remove the baby and herself from home without him. Baby E would basically be his hostage on those days she worked to support his behind.

This resonates. Towards the end, my ex did not allow me to have the car seat when I was home alone with our daughter - after a failed attempt to leave. This evolved to taking the stroller as well.

You have NO idea the lengths an IPV/DV abuser will go to maintain power and control until you experience it first hand - then it happens. You find yourself doing anything and everything to keep the peace and maintain appearances.

His family didn't believe me. I hid it from mine. Until I called 911 when the physical violence spilled over. I can't imagine trying to hold this all together living with Ellorah's maternal grandmother.

That was no doubt a catalyst to this entire situation. No blame here - there's NO grandparent in this world who will sit idly by as this dynamic plays out in their presence - to their daughter and grandchild.

No way. No how.

I see how this was a powder keg with an incredibly short fuse.




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[cygnus]

At 3 weeks old babies sleeping through the night is rare. It is not normally when a parent would assume a baby was down for the night. It just seems like an odd time for me. What is the weather like there now?

I used to live in Valencia, and now I live about 25 minutes from there; but the weather here in So Cal has been disorderly lately. Saturday it was warm-ish but extremely windy, yesterday (Sunday) it was very warm and nice, today 10% chance of rain. I had my grandson yesterday he is 2 month old, it was warm a warm enough day to where we decided it was OK to have him in just a tee onesie (no socks/pant/beanie). I even took him outside for a little sunshine, so the weather has been weird but maybe this can help you get an idea of what it has been like and why she only had the beanie/diaper on.