CA - Emma Barker, 18 mos, suffocated, Lancaster, 18 March 2009 #1

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  • #141
I don't get it. These young women (Casey and Emma's mother) have all the support they can get from their families. From giving them a roof over their head, rearranging their lives to take care of their baby, and then they still end up harming, or killing their children. What is it?
 
  • #142
To be honest, I am VERY surprised that this case has not got more attention that it has. Stacey LIED to LE about her daughter being kidnapped, she LIED about hitting her head, she ADMITTED that Emma died accidentally in her care, and she HID her darling baby in the bushes in a gang-infested neighborhood.

This is a rather slow news weekend, and I am SHOCKED that she is NOT in jail yet. San Fernando Valley PD are not known to be lenient- very heavy gang problems in each area mentioned (esp. where Emma was found). There isnt much on local TV (other than what you have read here and online), yet they are going to wait and see if the DA will press charges? Where should he start?...........................:furious:
 
  • #143
I don't get it. These young women (Casey and Emma's mother) have all the support they can get from their families. From giving them a roof over their head, rearranging their lives to take care of their baby, and then they still end up harming, or killing their children. What is it?


I don't either. I have known some young, single mothers that didn't have any support and were awesome.:mad:
 
  • #144
This is her myspace. On the news they said she was 20, but her myspace says 24, but this is her. http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/ind...viewPicture&friendID=442955581&albumId=796477


Beautiful pictures of baby and mama. The little girl was just a doll baby.

I wonder what really happened to this baby girl. First the mom says the baby was abducted and then that there was an accident. I hope the tests that they plan to do show exactly how this baby died. I don't understand the leaving the baby by the side of a highway either. That doesn't say much to me about the mom. Someone would have to break my arms to get me to let go of my baby if it died.

Family bent over backwards for this mom and her baby. Grama working nights so she could babysit during the day and her brother and dad pitching in to help care for her. It isn't like this mom was overwhelmed with responsibility. She had more help then most single girls with babys.
I hope it was an accident but because she started out lying I don't know what to believe. If there were no marks on the baby it makes me think of smothering. I hope not.
 
  • #145
Checking in for updates. I can't find any yet. I thought about this gorgeous baby last night. I hate to sound harsh, but I can't say what I want to say without sounding harsh.

I'm not sure I believe the story that she was scared she would be blamed for the baby's death so that is why she dumped her by the side of the road. Then concocted an elaborate story to cover her actions or inactions. It's interesting to me that the story she did come up with puts *her* as a victim.

To me that shows a certain detachment to Emma. I know the argument of PTS but having lived in the military community and seen PTS in many different presentations, I've seen none that would lead someone to take a beloved child and dump their body by the side of the road. However, that is just antcedotal experience.

I think there is more to this story, because they either haven't determined a COD yet, or they are just waiting for test results to come back before they say positively what was the COD.

Bobbisangel wouldn't smothering show during autopsy? Do you think they are waiting for all the tests before they state what was COD?
 
  • #146
This mom is going to have to come up with an "accident" that matches the cause of death, and even then I don't think she'll be credible.
Does anyone know of any case in which an accident legitimately happened and a parent dumped the child's body instead of calling an ambulance? I can't think of any.
 
  • #147
Would there be any outer visible injuries if the baby died from Shaken Baby Syndrome? Maybe since she was so used to having someone else take care of her child, when she was left alone to take care of her, she lost her temper.
 
  • #148
This mom is going to have to come up with an "accident" that matches the cause of death, and even then I don't think she'll be credible.
Does anyone know of any case in which an accident legitimately happened and a parent dumped the child's body instead of calling an ambulance? I can't think of any.

I cannot find any that were "legitimately" an accident. In a case where the mother has lied about the circumstances and chucked the body like unwanted debris there will always be (wellfounded) suspicions, no matter how closely the autopsy lines up with the story finally told.

That being said I can find cases where the body was hidden and the accident story only came out after it's discover, or after intense interrogation. There are multiple examples where the cause of death "could have been" an accident, drowning, overdose, trauma that could have been from a fall. If the mom has no history of abuse and the court can't prove intent they usually plea down to manslaughter. A couple of years at best, probation in some cases.
 
  • #149
Would there be any outer visible injuries if the baby died from Shaken Baby Syndrome? Maybe since she was so used to having someone else take care of her child, when she was left alone to take care of her, she lost her temper.

I had also thought of that Lizzybeth. I think that shaken baby syndrome can be seen by physical evidence inside the skull at time of autopsy. I don't know if it has shown or not and that they are waiting on releasing COD when they get back all the tests?
 
  • #150
I had also thought of that Lizzybeth. I think that shaken baby syndrome can be seen by physical evidence inside the skull at time of autopsy. I don't know if it has shown or not and that they are waiting on releasing COD when they get back all the tests?

I also have thought that from the beginning possibly it was shaken baby syndrome. I don't think it was a accident if she was capable to throw her baby on the side of the road in some brush she would be capable of anything. If it was a accident she should have called 911 they could have maybe saved the baby, accident or not still call 911. She was beautiful I have a 18 month old girl myself and no way could I ever toss her on the side of a road like trash.
 
  • #151
I'm just sick over this. I held off on judgement because I wanted to believe so badly that this (insert vulgar name of choice here) was telling the truth. Her myspace showed me a loving Mom....imagine that- anpther alter ego created on Myspace :rolleyes:

By all accounts it seems there are no excuses for her actions (not that there ever are acceptable excuses for murdering your child). She had what appears to be an extremely solid support system. Wonder if these Moms know how much the rest of us dream of having that much family support in our lives?:mad:
 
  • #152
Would there be any outer visible injuries if the baby died from Shaken Baby Syndrome? Maybe since she was so used to having someone else take care of her child, when she was left alone to take care of her, she lost her temper.


YES there would lizzy~ The brain would show hemmoraging and any blood/swelling. Her eyes would show bleeding also. Im sure this is one of the first things they look for as SBS is one of the leading causes of death, but usually in ages 0-9 months. From all reports from family, Emma was a happy, smiling baby from the time she woke up until she went to sleep- You can see her joy in ALL of her pics- She was a happy baby that had a happy family taking good care of her.

If Stacey is not arrested today, I will be shocked. San Fernando/LAPD are NOT lenient unless you have LOTS of $$ or are famous. There are more traffic choppers flying than are reporting on this case in LA right now.

I cant imagine why she isnt even being held on at least Obstruction of Justice charges, Lying to a Police Officer during the Investigation of a Missing Baby, Causing a False Amber Alert to be called,++ PLUS ++, WHATEVER charges they are going to throw at her for causing Emma's death. There are so many they can hold her on, WHATS REALLY GOING ON????? :waitasec::waitasec:
 
  • #153
YES there would lizzy~ The brain would show hemmoraging and any blood/swelling. Her eyes would show bleeding also. Im sure this is one of the first things they look for as SBS is one of the leading causes of death, but usually in ages 0-9 months. From all reports from family, Emma was a happy, smiling baby from the time she woke up until she went to sleep- You can see her joy in ALL of her pics- She was a happy baby that had a happy family taking good care of her.

If Stacey is not arrested today, I will be shocked. San Fernando/LAPD are NOT lenient unless you have LOTS of $$ or are famous. There are more traffic choppers flying than are reporting on this case in LA right now.

I cant imagine why she isnt even being held on at least Obstruction of Justice charges, Lying to a Police Officer during the Investigation of a Missing Baby, Causing a False Amber Alert to be called,++ PLUS ++, WHATEVER charges they are going to throw at her for causing Emma's death. There are so many they can hold her on, WHATS REALLY GOING ON????? :waitasec::waitasec:

Yes, you are correct. The #1 sign of SBS is retinal hemorrhage! There is no doubt in my mind if that is what caused her death they would have been able to determine that.
 
  • #154
What is going on!!!! I have checked off and on all day and NOTHING! This makes no sense to me, I cannot believe the lack of coverage.
 
  • #155
I found this new comment, FWIW.

muffiditie 3/20/09 8:52 PM PDT

The Mother an dher boyfriends mother both work with me. I have never met her that I recall, but I hear that she seemed like a loving great Mommy. Unfortunately, we have all heard that the Boyfriend didn't' want kids, and that she recently filed for child support from the deadbeat father. We all think she did it. It sounds like she picks losers to begin with. It is so sickening that a baby murderer could be among us.I hope that poor little girl didn't suffer. May she Rott in Prison for the rest of her life. Mark As Violation

http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/local/los_angeles&id=6720694

New boyfriend possibly didn't want kids.
 
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If you have a child and your new boyfriend doesn't want children...THEN GET ANOTHER BOYFRIEND!!!!! I was divorced and raising two children on my own. At no time would I have ever put a man (not even their father) over them. I even dated a great guy but he showed favoritism to my son over my daughter. I broke it off. Love me, love my kids.

I think it maybe says something about how we're raising our girls. Where do they get the idea that they have to have a man in their life? Where do they get the idea that their happiness is more important than that of their child? She could have just up and left her child with her family. Sure, her name would have been mud but it's better than being called a murderer and having a sweet, innocent child dead.
 
  • #158
You hit the nail on the head Lizzybeth, if this is the case in this situation and the Mother's reasoning was that the boyfriend didn't want children.

Yes get another boyfriend! I did. Without qualms either, when I was a single Mother.

O/T but I wanted to add also, my only Brother is now 42, never married and he has no children (he's never wanted children). When he was younger he would not date women that had kids (he still doesn't). He was raked over the coals by many women that had nothing but ugliness to say about him because he wouldn't date them and they had children. He was made to be a monster in some of our social circles. Here was his reasoning---He didn't want his own children, he didn't want to have children at all, he refused to date a woman because of that and also, he said he refused to do that to the children, get to know them, bond and then leave. He said it would be cruel. But yet, he was actively pursued by many women with children. Strange.
 
  • #159
You hit the nail on the head Lizzybeth, if this is the case in this situation and the Mother's reasoning was that the boyfriend didn't want children.

Yes get another boyfriend! I did. Without qualms either, when I was a single Mother.

O/T but I wanted to add also, my only Brother is now 42, never married and he has no children (he's never wanted children). When he was younger he would not date women that had kids (he still doesn't). He was raked over the coals by many women that had nothing but ugliness to say about him because he wouldn't date them and they had children. He was made to be a monster in some of our social circles. Here was his reasoning---He didn't want his own children, he didn't want to have children at all, he refused to date a woman because of that and also, he said he refused to do that to the children, get to know them, bond and then leave. He said it would be cruel. But yet, he was actively pursued by many women with children. Strange.

Not a monster at all! He is a man who knows what he wants and doesn't want, good for him, especially for being up front and honest about it with potential girlfriends.
 
  • #160
Where are the updates on this?! I am beyond pizzed. Where are the reporters???
 
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