GUILTY CA - Erin Corwin, 19, pregnant, Twentynine Palms, 28 June 2014 - #10

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  • #41
My old posts brought over before CL was arrested

No disrespect, but I don't see it like that all. In my opinion, I'm thinking the "red car" may turn out to be the smoking gun in this whole case! I'm sure LE has quietly sought out every car rental place and dealership (test driving) in San Bernardino County.
Plus, if your driving someone that you indeed to "do away with" you certainly don't want to be seen driving your own car.

The two things that CL did NOT think about was

1. Someone driving down this desolate road at the very same time, and actually
seeing a girl get out of EC's car and get in to a red car, being driven by a man.

2. Erin exchanging text's with her friend in Tn. saying where she was going that Sat.
morning and who she was going with, and even why they were going.

I also think the arrest of CL on July 4th for the potato gun was a red herring. LE knew he was moving to Alaska soon, and wanted to get his fingerprints and DNA.

Personally, my guess is that LE knows exactly what they're doing, and are keeping all this as quiet as they can. Even going so far as to say EC may have left on her own. They don't want to scare CL into taking off and leaving the country. They want to make sure CL comes back to Calif. for his court date in Sept. But I'm willing to bet that they are keeping a real good eye on him.
Just my own speculation of course.

Some good speculation and observations. One of the first things I posted after it was announced that EC had been found and that CL had been arrested was, maybe now we can find out what the red car had to do with it all. Somehow it plays a part. I don't know how yet, but hopefully some day we'll find out. I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out to be just like you said it would in this post.
 
  • #42
Has someone figured out how far it is from where EC's car was parked to the mine site? Is it possible that CL picked up EC at 7 am in the JEEP, met NL (who was in the red car), took her to EC's car to gather stuff at 10:30, and what MB saw was NL getting back into the red car after gathering things??


Is it possible that CL picked EC up in NL's vehicle (assuming the red vehicle is hers) and they switched to his jeep at JTSP? His jeep tracks could still be at the crime scene and where EC's vehicle were found if he went back and moved it 100 feet like MB stated.
 
  • #43
Some good speculation and observations. One of the first things I posted after it was announced that EC had been found and that CL had been arrested was, maybe now we can find out what the red car had to do with it all. Somehow it plays a part. I don't know how yet, but hopefully some day we'll find out. I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out to be just like you said it would in this post.

Didn't NL say to IM that the cops missed an incriminating piece of evidence in the garage?? Did they miss the red car?
 
  • #44
Has someone figured out how far it is from where EC's car was parked to the mine site? Is it possible that CL picked up EC at 7 am in the JEEP, met NL (who was in the red car), took her to EC's car to gather stuff at 10:30, and what MB saw was NL getting back into the red car after gathering things??

I actually wondered the same thing! I wonder if they've checked her car for prints or evidence that NL was inside.
 
  • #45
Didn't NL say to IM that the cops missed an incriminating piece of evidence in the garage?? Did they miss the red car?

Wasn't it established that the garage isn't really a garage in the "Park your car" in it sort of way and was more of a car port with a shed?
 
  • #46
I think that is almost exactly what happened. Although I am not 100% convinced it was CL in the red car.
Has someone figured out how far it is from where EC's car was parked to the mine site? Is it possible that CL picked up EC at 7 am in the JEEP, met NL (who was in the red car), took her to EC's car to gather stuff at 10:30, and what MB saw was NL getting back into the red car after gathering things??
 
  • #47
Brett Kelman ‏@TDSbrettkelman 1m
Authorities investigating if Nichole Lee, wife of suspect Chris Lee, helped cover up the killing of #ErinCorwin: http://desert.sn/1rUSW3E
 
  • #48
posted by Seajay n thread #9

Funny you mention that drive to Alaska. I thought about the conversations on that drive from the day I heard they left. I bet that was the longest drive he's ever taken in his life. LOL Just the fact he had an affair and got another gal pregnant would have been enough for her to chew him out about to the California/Oregon border. LOL Even a fly in that car would have died from the toxicity going around in that vehicle. He had a lot to worry about. And I bet she reminded him of every bit of it. IMO
******

I really hope she didn't. Their daughter was in that vehicle with them. No matter what she didn't need to hear any of that

Mel
 
  • #49
Wasn't it established that the garage isn't really a garage in the "Park your car" in it sort of way and was more of a car port with a shed?

Ok, I hadn't heard that. In the video I watched earlier, it looked like a one car garage.

It seems highly unlikely that PD would miss something like a vehicle registered to the spouse of a POI but the red car MB speaks about doesn't match the maroon jeep IMO, so I feel perplexed.
 
  • #50
Didn't NL say to IM that the cops missed an incriminating piece of evidence in the garage?? Did they miss the red car?

She definitely said that and we have wondered all along what that was that got missed. Wouldn't that be a bite if it was the red sedan? LOL
 
  • #51
OK. Generally speaking, you can't really find out you're pregnant until you miss your period. (yeah, there are a few EPTs that tell you before that, but unless you're actively trying, who wastes their money on those?)

Assuming a person has a swiss watch perfect 28 day cycle and a pregnancy is measured from the first day of the last menstrual cycle, the earliest the average person would find out they were pregnant is at exactly 4 weeks gestational age.



Father's day was on 6.15.2014 this year. Erin disappeared on 6.28.2014. Reports have said she confirmed she was pregnant on Father's Day. Doing the math, the MINIMUM amount of time she could have been pregnant, assuming the above criteria are true is 5 weeks and 6 days.

That's the cold hard math. So 3 weeks is out. Even with the 5 days before your missed period test, she would still be 5 weeks and 1 day.

Now, as I recall, the reports say that Father's Day is when the pregnancy was "confirmed" which is an interesting turn of phrase. That implies that it was suspected BEFORE that date.

Now, I realize that some people know they're pregnant before they miss their period. I've known people were pregnant before the pregnant person has known. (Really, of all the superpowers I could have, I got pregnancy detection, being able to guess lottery numbers would be WAY more useful.) But assuming that EC was not using an EPT every month before she was even late and assuming she was 28 days swiss watch, she had to have been at least 6 weeks along when she vanished.

I think your math is wrong on that, a person can't get their period AND get pregnant at the same time. The uterus prepares for the egg and when it arrives it is either fertilized and there is no period, or it isn't and there is a period.

So 4 weeks after conception a woman isn't surprised that there's no period, since she already missed the first one 4 weeks earlier. Unless she mistakes implantation and/or breakthrough bleeding for a period, which is possible, though that bleeding is usually lighter.
 
  • #52
Ok, I hadn't heard that. In the video I watched earlier, it looked like a one car garage.

It seems highly unlikely that PD would miss something like a vehicle registered to the spouse of a POI but the red car MB speaks about doesn't match the maroon jeep IMO, so I feel perplexed.

I could be wrong. I may have missed part of the discussion.
 
  • #53
7-8 weeks, when the embryo transitions to a fetus. So, just under 2 months. A month and 3/4s or so. Basically, the wiggly_bit_that_shall_be_baby (I am using this so as not to confuse the scientific and legal terms) transitions from an embryo to a fetus when all the major baby_bits have formed and the wiggly_bit_that_shall_be_baby just needs to fatten up and develop the baby_bits further. Unscientifically, the embryo becomes a fetus when it stops looking like a sea monkey and starts looking more like a gummy bear.

(I hope I am not intimidating you all with my mastery of technical language. :) )

I love my gummy bears.
 
  • #54
I think your math is wrong on that, a person can't get their period AND get pregnant at the same time. The uterus prepares for the egg and when it arrives it is either fertilized and there is no period, or it isn't and there is a period.

So 4 weeks after conception a woman isn't surprised that there's no period, since she already missed the first one 4 weeks earlier. Unless she mistakes implantation and/or breakthrough bleeding for a period, which is possible, though that bleeding is usually lighter.

4 weeks after conception is, in a typical 28 day cycle woman, 6 weeks pregnant. I don't make the rules, I just report them. Yes, it is counter-intuitive, but that's how doctors do it.

http://rhrealitycheck.org/article/2...regnancy-dating-standards-and-what-they-mean/

"Health-care providers define the stage or length of pregnancy differently than many people might think. It’s an understandable confusion. Logically, one might imagine we represent a pregnancy by how much time has elapsed since conception. Instead, we most commonly date pregnancies from the first day of the last menstrual period (LMP)."

and

"The average time between menstrual periods is about 28 days, and ovulation occurs about 14 days before the next period begins. So when we say a woman’s estimated gestational age is six weeks’ LMP, we mean she conceived about four weeks ago, around the time of ovulation."
 
  • #55
Yes, I meant to acknowledge that, thanks, and forgot before I replied -- the medical folks calculate the weeks of pregnancy from the first day of the last know menstrual period, so in their parlance, she would have been up to (and if not more than) 6+ weeks along, but the more common estimation I think JC reported to LE would be to count from the first day of the missed period -- 2+ weeks along. Forensically/legally if using the 6+ weeks along medical terminology helps bump up the veracity of additional fetal homicide charges, more power to them.

I really don't know if they will be able to prove exactly how far along she was with enough certainty to get a second charge of murder added on. They would be better off trying to aim towards the special circumstance (lying in wait)
 
  • #56
Sorry, I am confused again.

In CA how far along would a mommy have to be for the baby to be considered viable according to CA law? like months I don't understood weeks.

Ex. I believe EC got preg. in April so my thinking when she was murdered she was around 2 1/2 months +. Am I making sense?
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7 weeks.
 
  • #57
4 weeks after conception is, in a typical 28 day cycle woman, 6 weeks pregnant. I don't make the rules, I just report them. Yes, it is counter-intuitive, but that's how doctors do it.

http://rhrealitycheck.org/article/2...regnancy-dating-standards-and-what-they-mean/

"Health-care providers define the stage or length of pregnancy differently than many people might think. It’s an understandable confusion. Logically, one might imagine we represent a pregnancy by how much time has elapsed since conception. Instead, we most commonly date pregnancies from the first day of the last menstrual period (LMP)."

and

"The average time between menstrual periods is about 28 days, and ovulation occurs about 14 days before the next period begins. So when we say a woman’s estimated gestational age is six weeks’ LMP, we mean she conceived about four weeks ago, around the time of ovulation."

Yes but that is only used as a stop gap. Once the ultrasound is performed and the baby's measurements are taken, then the fetal development is staged and a delivery date is estimated. The legal requirements are not going to be satisfied by a guess based on the last period, especially when it can't be known when that was, as the one person who could tell us is no longer with us. That's all I'm saying. MHO
 
  • #58
By the way, just look at the confusion in this about length of pregnancies and date of last menstrual period vs date of conception. And we are probably a group of above average intelligence people, based on our interest in sleuthing and general curiosity. It is no wonder that the reports about how pregnant Erin was have been confusing and contradictory. Medical and legal pregnancy length is different from common understanding. It is logical to think you cannot get pregnant before you have sex, but according to medicine, you do.

Adding to the confusion is that conception doesn't necessarily happen the day a person has sex. Sperm can live in the female body for 3-5 days. The egg floats around in there for 1-2 days after ovulation. So you can get pregnant before you have sex, according to your doctor. And you can get pregnant from sex nearly a week before you ovulate. And people wonder why the get pregnant using the rhythm method!

http://americanpregnancy.org/gettingpregnant/ovulationfaq.htm

(O/T-I suspect this leads to a lot of the paternity cases on the Maury Povich show!)
 
  • #59
Sorry double post
 
  • #60
I have complete faith in LE, they will pursue this case in the best way possible. I support them no matter how they charge, who they charge (as I hear they are investigating NL right now)

I pray for comfort for the family of Erin, I also hope CL confesses and this doesn't go to trial. Erin's family has been through enough.

IMO...
 
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