GUILTY CA - Erin Corwin, 19, pregnant, Twentynine Palms, 28 June 2014 - #10

[Hippiemomof5]

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^ That doesn't sound, even a little, like victim blaming?

That line does, yes. I don't think the intent, or the whole post made was "she deserved it, she's a cheater." There are some very vile, evil things being said that I'd absolutely consider victim shaming/blaming on news and Facebook comments and this person's posts was nothing even close. I understand you completely though.

 

[Jambri]

BBM

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^ That doesn't sound, even a little, like victim blaming?

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BRRI I hope you are not inferring that I am insinuating if she didn't cheat she wouldn't have been killed. Stop taking my posts out on concept please. The above post is in reference to "the day ie June 28th" just the date of reference pointing to the underground statement. My whole post was not to blame her for what happened but more my belief that she wouldn't do that to John because i believe she was above all that. Maybe a poor choice of wording but that was the intent of my post.

 

[necco]

Sorry for being pedantic and understand that I am one of the world's worst spellers, but his name is Jon, not John. As someone with a difficult to spell first name, I find that getting someone's name correct is an easy piece of dignity we can afford this brave Marine who has had his future stolen from him by a heartless murderer.

This is not addressed to anyone in particular, it has been misspelled all over the place, he is a Jonathan and a Jon.

 

[Jambri]

That line does, yes. I don't think the intent, or the whole post made was "she deserved it, she's a cheater." There are some very vile, evil things being said that I'd absolutely consider victim shaming/blaming on news and Facebook comments and this person's posts was nothing even close. I understand you completely though.

Thank you Hippie for understanding what I was trying to get across.

 

[gitana1]

What's the general feeling among everyone as to why this guy did this? What's the motivation ? Bizarre.

 

[cujenn81]

Someone asked a question about TRICARE in the last thread & if there is a restriction about when one may be seen for a potential pregnancy. I work for TRICARE North (but the policies are the same across the board) and there isn't anything in policy that restricts a beneficiary from seeing a civilian doctor about a potential pregnancy or places any type of timeline on it.

However, there may be certain guidelines established within the military treatment facility. Contrary to popular belief, TRICARE never receives a claim for processing (& therefore their policy isn't relevant) when someone is seen at a MTF. I'm certain they maintain some sort of filing system within the MTF, but medical claims aren't processed by TRICARE for payment. The costs for services rendered at the MTF come straight out of the military budget, whereas payments made to civilian medical providers are paid by TRICARE.


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[amm]

I am really wondering if she was even pregnant. Maybe she thought or wished she was, by CL and jumped the gun, telling him she was? Frankly, I can't imagine CL being so free as to have unprotected sex, if he was paranoid enough about pregnancies to possibly kill over one. It is all a terrible confusing scenario. You would think BOTH would make sure not to get pregnant. And JC, Imo, only knows what EC told him, apparently.

RSBM. Obviously, we have no way of knowing what CL was thinking but if he has been having unprotected sex with his wife for 7+ years without NL getting pregnant, perhaps he thinks his swimmers aren't swimming anymore. He may not have been thinking with the head on his shoulders. I think it is rumored based on her Pinterest account that NL had a miscarriage at some point so it may not have been 7 years but who knows... CL and EC may have used some protection that failed. There is so much that we don't know!

 

[amm]

Sorry for being pedantic and understand that I am one of the world's worst spellers, but his name is Jon, not John. As someone with a difficult to spell first name, I find that getting someone's name correct is an easy piece of dignity we can afford this brave Marine who has had his future stolen from him by a heartless murderer.

This is not addressed to anyone in particular, it has been misspelled all over the place, he is a Jonathan and a Jon.

Along those lines, I've noticed that NL's first name has been misspelled in quite a few MSM pieces. Every time I see it misspelled, I wonder if it irks her to see it (if she is reading news articles.)

 

[Meemaw12]

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[Voice4theSilent]

Please remember, affairs aren't always about sex. They are often about not feeling alone or in pain. Erin lost a child six months before her death. Yes, some will say she just miscarried, but if the pregnancy was wanted and loved, it can be just as hard on a woman, sometimes even harder for a few reasons.

In my experience dealing with people miscarrying, it can be very hard on the mother. People don't allow you to mourn a lost internal baby the way they allow you to mourn a lost external baby. They think they are being helpful when they say things like "It's for the best." "At least you miscarried before you got really attached." or "You can just get pregnant again." Seriously. People say these things. Would you say that to someone who lost a 3 month old external child? Also, there is often a feeling of guilt associated with miscarriages. The mother may wonder what they may have done wrong or why their body did this. Fathers in miscarriages often have a different perspective which can cause tension. The guys are glad that their wife is ok, particularly if it was a more dramatic miscarriage. Men tend to worry about their wife/partner because that's what they see and that's who they love. The mother doesn't have another loved one endangered by the medical event of a miscarriage, they just have the baby.

This is NOT a condemnation of fathers/men/partners/friends in miscarriage situations. Their response is understandable. They love TWO people involved in the miscarriage and one of them is safe. They don't usually have the same guilt because it wasn't their body that "betrayed" the baby. Friends of the couple may also tend to act more like the husband/partner for the same reasons, their friend, the woman who lost the pregnancy, is ok. She can have another child. And the child is more of an idea to people besides the mother than it is to the mother who is literally connected to the baby who is lost. All of this can make a woman who miscarries feel very alone, because she is. No one else has the same connection to the lost child.

A simple "thanks" was not enough for your post, necco. Beautifully stated and so very true!

 

[Meemaw12]

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[Jambri]

RSBM. Obviously, we have no way of knowing what CL was thinking but if he has been having unprotected sex with his wife for 7+ years without NL getting pregnant, perhaps he thinks his swimmers aren't swimming anymore. He may not have been thinking with the head on his shoulders. I think it is rumored based on her Pinterest account that NL had a miscarriage at some point so it may not have been 7 years but who knows... CL and EC may have used some protection that failed. There is so much that we don't know!

Or maybe it was just a one time spontaneous thing. They didn't plan it hence, no preparation. They could both have been at the horse shelter, she breaks down over her miscarriage, he comforts her, and things just get out of hand. Who is to say they even had sex more than once? That could have been the only time.

 

[Twistinginthewind]

Wow I thought I was the only one who woke up and went to bed with this on my mind LoL. Glad to see I am not alone. The only other case that has bothered me to such an extreme was the Natalie Holloway case. The tragedy of this case has really affected me in so many ways.

Me too. It's been so sad, and such a gripping but harrowing experience following Erin's case (disappearance) and hoping for the best outcome, while simultaneously knowing it wasn't likely to have a happy outcome, and wondering how the heck something like this could have happened to a young woman at the prime of her life, and eventually accepting there are awful people on the planet that will take advantage of and use people for their own purposes without regard for the 'value of life' as the DA so eloquently put it.

 

[cluciano63]

What's the general feeling among everyone as to why this guy did this? What's the motivation ? Bizarre.

Child support, for me. Primary motive, anyway.

 

[necco]

RSBM. Obviously, we have no way of knowing what CL was thinking but if he has been having unprotected sex with his wife for 7+ years without NL getting pregnant, perhaps he thinks his swimmers aren't swimming anymore. He may not have been thinking with the head on his shoulders. I think it is rumored based on her Pinterest account that NL had a miscarriage at some point so it may not have been 7 years but who knows... CL and EC may have used some protection that failed. There is so much that we don't know!

Some people are just really lackadaisical about birth control. It shocks me, but they are. I can't tell you the number of times I have argued with friends about the fact that unless you're monogamous, someone ought to be wrapping that rascal, for both birth control AND disease prevention reasons. Some people just refuse to use condoms, they say it lessens the experience or the mood. Personally, I think STIs and toddlers likely lessen the mood more, but what do I know.

 

[cluciano63]

This case is SO much like Heather Elvis. Even more so if wife ends up arrested. Right down to Heather communicating with a friend during key hours, which pointed LE right to the suspect/boyfriend or ex-boyfriend, whatever he was at the time. Both men involved with these young women were married with kids, both somewhat or a lot older. Both seemed afraid of their wives, Imo. Both seem to involve sheer stupidity on the parts of the suspects. Although Heather was not pregnant, rumors surfaced that she was or may have been.

Affairs happen constantly...hoping this is not going to be a trend-murdering the so-called "other woman" rather than divorce or simply breaking things off. Jmo

 

[Meemaw12]

What's the general feeling among everyone as to why this guy did this? What's the motivation ? Bizarre.

I have mixed emotions, I believe if NL is charged it will make a little more sense. However, from what we know EC told her TN friend CL planned it, carried it out. WHY sounds like he was trying to please his wife (my opinion) or keep her from knowing about the Pregnancy.

ETA: Gosh I don't mean justifiable I just mean, pieces will become clearer and fit together.

 

[shadetree44]

Is it possible that CL picked EC up in NL's vehicle (assuming the red vehicle is hers) and they switched to his jeep at JTSP? His jeep tracks could still be at the crime scene and where EC's vehicle were found if he went back and moved it 100 feet like MB stated.

Before I start, all this is speculation! I think CL picked up EC in the early AM (7 - 7:30 ish & tire tracks), and they went on their journey. After returning, it is possible he switched vehicles and returned to EC's Toyota (10:00 - 10:30) to remove any possible link to him. If this is the case, MB arrived after the woman had checked EC's car and was exiting it. It appeared to MB they were meeting up and she was leaving in the RED sedan. I'll leave it to you guys as to who the woman could be. The only other explanation is a random vehicle stopping to check EC's vehicle, BUT if the woman was actually exiting and locking the vehicle, it had to be someone with KEYS!! Either EC's keys or JC's keys. And so it goes!

 

[Twistinginthewind]

I can't quite imagine telling my close friend I am pregnant with another man's child and that we are going to "celebrate", under any circumstances. Just so odd to me.

I am really wondering if she was even pregnant. Maybe she thought or wished she was, by CL and jumped the gun, telling him she was? Frankly, I can't imagine CL being so free as to have unprotected sex, if he was paranoid enough about pregnancies to possibly kill over one. It is all a terrible confusing scenario. You would think BOTH would make sure not to get pregnant. And JC, Imo, only knows what EC told him, apparently.

Wondering if she told CL that very week, since he was preparing to leave, whether she really was pregnant for sure or not. And he pretended to be happy, enough so that she told her friend and figured she would tell her mom at the same time she told them her marriage was over? Or were they going to run away together?

Jmo I just have a part of me feeling she was not pregnant, and that CL believing she was turned out to be his murder motive. LE is, Imo, not saying much about he pregnancy, which in a way leads me to believe they may know she wasn't but do not want to cast a shadow on Erin. They way she was identified so quickly makes me feel like she was in a state where they could examine her. Again-jmo only. Maybe I place too much faith in forensic science.

Just all my of musings...JMOJMOJMOJMOJMO

Also...I think 18+ years of child support was the deciding factor or motive, on top of wrath of spouse and possible loss of access to child.

I could totally see telling my best friend I was not happy in my new marriage and had met someone new, and may be celebrating a pregnancy with him (the new man), and thinking about scrapping my unhappy marriage, especially when I was 19 years old and newly on my own and dealing with feelings from a recent miscarriage with my current partner that caused a rift between us (just speculating, of course, but rumors abounded Erin told people she wasn't happy in her marriage, and she had an affair with CL supposedly, for a reason (there were problems between her and JC)). It's a bit of a stretch for me with all the evidence and affidavits, etc. to assume she wasn't really pregnant, but I guess time will tell...

 

[phantomthought]

That's true the tire tracks did match the jeep's tire tracks.....BUT only after EC's car had moved about 100-150 feet from where MB saw her car that morning.

So how is this suppose to work?He comes there in his jeep picks her up.Then comes back in this red car to do whatever then comes back again in his jeep and moves the car 100 feet.Or did he come there in this red car pick her up drive to his jeep go to the mine then after going thru all the cloak and dagger with the red car come back in his jeep to move her car 100 ft.