GUILTY CA - Erin Corwin, 19, pregnant, Twentynine Palms, 28 June 2014 - #10

[Kensie]

I don't know the laws in all states, but I do know that an adultery accusation has nothing to do with custody or visitation where I live. As a matter of fact, if NL had filed for divorce, it's very likely they would have shared custody of their child...or if CL had pushed it, he might have gotten custody himself. He was just honorably discharged from the Marine Corps.

My state too. I don't understand CL being afraid of a divorce and not seeing his little girl. I think a lot of states are no fault states anyway. I think that was a cover up for CL. The affair was fun but a new baby threw him over the edge and Erin was the victim.

 

[rosesfromangels]

Just found this, which is relevant to CL:

Adultery

Adultery is punishable under Article 134, with a maximum punishment of dishonorable discharge, forfeiture of all pay and allowances, and confinement for 1 year. Adultery is defined as wrongful sexual intercourse between a married person and someone who is not his or her spouse, when the conduct is prejudicial to good order and discipline or brings discredit to the armed forces. Even private and discreet adultery can violate these standards, depending on the circumstances.

http://www.sldn.org/content/pages/the-uniform-code-of-military-justice-ucmj

So it's o.k. to be an adulterer as long as you are private and discreet? Uh, really? That hardly sounds like Officer and a Gentleman (or lady) material.....sheesh.

 

[Meemaw12]

Just found this, which is relevant to CL:

Adultery

Adultery is punishable under Article 134, with a maximum punishment of dishonorable discharge, forfeiture of all pay and allowances, and confinement for 1 year. Adultery is defined as wrongful sexual intercourse between a married person and someone who is not his or her spouse, when the conduct is prejudicial to good order and discipline or brings discredit to the armed forces. Even private and discreet adultery can violate these standards, depending on the circumstances.

http://www.sldn.org/content/pages/the-uniform-code-of-military-justice-ucmj

Thank you
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Now I wonder if the adultery had anything to do with the murder, why was it not a threat when NL and JC first found out ( I know it's a rumor that neighbor lady told on them) , why wait until you are almost out of the service (1 week) to commit the murder? NL or JC either one could have reported CL.

 

[Meemaw12]

I guess it does come down to the Pregnancy, Erin find out on June 15h lived 2 weeks after that.

Wait I thought someone recently told a reporter they knew about the pregnancy at the Ranch.

I am brain numb.

 

[phantomthought]

Shell casing? I guess I missed that...what is that about??

LE said they found a shell casing in the mine that matched the ones bouncing around CL jeep and to the gun (firing pin) that belonged to him.

 

[Mrs. Gladden]

Did anyone else watch CL's Arraignment Video on You Tube in Anchorage, Alaska? CA set "NO BAIL". AK set "$2MM BAIL." NL was chewing gum. There was a hint of fear and questioning in CL's eyes (not much). JMO

Most Sincerely, MoeJoey

I can't remember who said it, but someone said he had that "deer in the headlights" look. I agreed with that statement. I haven't said much about his wife, but she was the one that looked cool as a cucumber to me. That whole scene was more than bizarre.

 

[moonbeams]

I guess it does come down to the Pregnancy, Erin find out on June 15h lived 2 weeks after that.

Wait I thought someone recently told a reporter they knew about the pregnancy at the Ranch.

I am brain numb.

Now that you mention that, I'm wondering if those interviewees were talking about the original January pregnancy?

 

[Meemaw12]

http://www.cbs8.com/story/26332337/a-look-at-the-mine-shaft-where-marine-wifes-body-was-dumped

A look at the mine shaft where Marine wife's body was dumped

Posted: Aug 20, 2014 9:57 PM EDT
Updated: Aug 20, 2014 10:21 PM EDT
By Abbie Alford, Reporter

 

[Meemaw12]

Now that you mention that, I'm wondering if those interviewees were talking about the original January pregnancy?

I am trying to find the video again, but you could be right.

 

[Annie1004]

I don't know the laws in all states, but I do know that an adultery accusation has nothing to do with custody or visitation where I live. As a matter of fact, if NL had filed for divorce, it's very likely they would have shared custody of their child...or if CL had pushed it, he might have gotten custody himself. He was just honorably discharged from the Marine Corps.

Most, if not all, states have "no fault" dissolutions of marriage, meaning gone are the days of "co-respondents" and "alienation of affection" charges. In California, it is called "irreconcilable differences" for the most part.

As far as the death penalty in California, it takes so long with appeal after appeal, that most death row inmates pass from old age or natural causes. And it looks like the death penalty will be deemed "cruel and unusual punishment" at some point down the road. That would mean death penalty cases will be changed to LWOP. The Manson clan had their death sentences commuted to LWOP when the law changed years ago.

Finally, murder is the number one cause of death for pregnant women. That was brought up ad nauseam in the Scott Peterson trial.

The accused murderer of Sierra Lamar was arrested well over two years ago, yet his case has not been set for trial. It could take years to see any justice for Sierra. LE does have the goods on AGT to seek the death penalty (without her body).

The wheels of justice move very slowly.

 

[NWLady]

Child support, for me. Primary motive, anyway.

But if he gave up his parental rights, wouldn't that release his obligation of paying child support? I don't know, am just curious?

 

[Mrs. Gladden]

O/T....I'm having all kinds of heck with my THANKS button. Sometimes it's not even there, but when it is & I click on it, I get a big triangle with an exclamation mark in it. :dunno:

Sorry for the interruption. I felt the need to vent.

 

[Fairy1]

It DOES have to do with motive, Imo. CL killed her because he did not want affair/pregnancy to be become known. No other reason possible, Imo. It is impossible for me to think that without an affair, Erin would still be deceased. As far as the reasons for an affair, morals, etc...no. But motive? Yes.

Jmo

We don't actually know if that was the motive. Only Erin and CL know what led up to that outing and why it went down the way it did. We just don't know.

 

[Knox]

Looks like the original post was removed, so I guess it was considered victim blaming. Again, I don't have an issue discussing motive. I do have an issue when I see the victim being passed off in a negative light, having her actions called despicable, etc. But, I will lay off this topic now. It just really rubbed me wrong, that's all.

We're going to have a difficult time discussing this case if we can't frankly outline all the issues surrounding motive. I don't think Erin is despicable, I think she was sheltered, young and inexperienced. Nothing she would do or say could warrant the loss of her life.

That said, I'm unwilling to overlook the fact her choices are part of the reason we're here discussing this case.

 

[maskedwoman]

While reading through all the discussion about motive, and NL's level of involvement, I remembered something. Very early on, the rumor was that a Marine had been off base during the time Erin went missing, and his wife did not know where he was. He comes back home like nothing is wrong but Erin is never seen again.

I suspect that scenario is more or less true. I also think CL had very little feeling, if any at all, for Erin. She was really just a notch on his belt. Then she got pregnant and he freaks out. He probably was afraid that NL, who seems to be a pretty tough cookie, would keep his daughter from him, or at least poison her against him. I suspect she takes not prisoners. Even worse, he will owe Erin child support for the next 18 years. And if NL divorces him, he'll owe HER child support too. So, he plays Erin for time while he figures out what to do. Then he lures Erin out to the desert and kills her, as he sees it, to keep her from wrecking his life.

The next morning, it's all over base that Erin is missing. NL, apparently not being a moron, realized CL was gone all day. She puts two and two together and gets a big fat four. She confronts him, gets the truth out of him and then swings into action, trying to save her family. So, here she is, doing everything she can to save them all, and CL can't even keep his stories straight when the police question him. And I think that is what prompted her to explode at him, about how stupid he was, in front of IM.

So, based on that, I think the motives were money and love of his daughter. Mostly money.

 

[Mrs. Gladden]

But if he gave up his parental rights, wouldn't that release his obligation of paying child support? I don't know, am just curious?

Well, that would depend on the laws of the state. But, as far as I know, it would only relinquish someone from paying child support if the other parent agreed.

 

[Spiritecho]

So here is my 15 cents...

the red car thing ullhair::bored::deadhorse:

calculation of LMP to how far along you are "pullhair::deadhorse:, even though it is proven how to do calculate, each doctor has their own 'idea' of things...(back in the early 90's)I was on birth control for 6 months, had periods every month, went in for my 6 mth check (cervical cancer) and I had a lump in utero...I was sent to the hospital for an ultra sound... I was approx 10 wks pregnant with twins! if the doctor went by my LMP (end of January) I would have been pregnant about 6 1/2 months.. my daughter was born in August at 8lbs 13 oz(lost the twin)...it is not ALWAYS about the exact cycle, the exact number of days, blah, blah, blah. No reason to argue about it.

I am not, absolutely not, taking up for CL but if you look, truly look at his face, this is a man tortured! I do believe in my heart that his wife pushed this, same way as Heather Elvis, which keeps being brought up here, I do not think he did this alone, at all.

It will be interesting to know WHEN the google search and the man was asked about disposing of a body...
It will be interesting to know IF the wife was with him when he asked that dumbazz question.
It will be interesting to know WHY the wife made the statement of something missed to whatever her name is and TELLING LE that the .22 was at her house where he took it! UMM hello! she knew and was part of it, period. Go tell it to Judge Judy, she will get us all straightened out.
It will be interesting to know HOW foolish and dumb they both feel now, thinking they hid Erin so well they wouldn't prosecute, when it sounds like it was headed that way anyway, finding Erin so quickly just brought it home sooner rather than later.

 

[justonedrin]

the fact that the DA is discussing that NL might be involved and that if EC is pregnant CL could be charged with that murder as well speaks volumes to me. I mean if there is not much of a chance of either one happening WHY would THE DA even bring it up, much less to a news reporter.

 

[Kensie]

We don't really know how EC and CL felt about each other. What we do know is that Erin is dead and that CL has been arrested.

 

[Knox]

Now that you mention that, I'm wondering if those interviewees were talking about the original January pregnancy?

Michele said Erin was 'super-excited' by her pregnancy after tragically losing a baby due to a miscarriage in February.

She said: 'She was so excited to be having a baby, she was a sweet girl, I just can't believe she's dead, who would do such a thing, they threw her away like she was a piece of garbage and to someone who was pregnant.'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ine-inquired-body-disposal.html#ixzz3AzfBfd1g
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