GUILTY CA - Erin Corwin, 19, pregnant, Twentynine Palms, 28 June 2014 - #10

[77DarkHorse7]

I just don't buy it. There are so many ways to get around this pregnancy other than murder.

First of all, there's abortifacients. Anyone who wants to avoid a pregnancy (and who isn't troubled by that pesky thing we call a conscience) knows about these. And since they are the same things that a couple striving for success in their pregnancy is taught to avoid, anyone who already has a child (namely Chris and NL) also knows about them. Papaya, Pomegranate, ground up old birth control pills, Whole Bottle of Vitamin C, Evening Primrose, Ginger Root, Parsley. Chris makes up a "special drink", for their "special day" and all his "problems go away".

Secondly, he can float the idea of her getting an abortion herself. "I'm soo happy, your having my baby.." .. Ten minutes later "I'm just so scared baby; what she might do to us if she finds out this way; She'll tell them and I go away for Adultery, I'll never see you again." .... " I can't believe I've got to say this, but I feel like this isn't the right time for us.... To have this child, right now(?), we're young, you're fertile, I'm virile, we're sexy, yeah baby, yeah. Let's have a baby,... as soon as I'm free of my old ball and chain" ... "I love you sweetee" Blah blah blah.

Or, if she doesn't go for that, he just convinces her to have the baby with Jon, get him to sign the Birth Certificate, and then "we're home free", "Jon'll pay for the baby's expenses, and we'll get family time when we're married in a year. Besides, you still care for Jon, you don't want him to wind up with nothing right??" Etc. Etc.

He could manipulate her about the pregnancy, just like he manipulated her into giving up her sexual parts for his amusement, he certainly didn't have to kill her for that reason.

I agree, the pregnancy factors in here, but something else drove him to go that extra distance... to murder her, something separate from that. And therein lies his extended culpability.

 

[maskedwoman]

I just do not see how her telling LE about the gun and where it is points to her involvement.For me it points to nothing or her not knowing the significance of it.If she said she knew nothing about guns in the house then LE found it would that point to her guilt or innocents.

Well, if she really thought they would never find her body, then there wouldn't be a risk in pointing out the 22. It's just a gun, not a murder weapon, unless they find her body.

 

[la2cabo]

Or maybe she is guilty too....Just speculating....opinion only.

Oh I absolutely believe she is guilty. For what and to what extent remains unknown, but there is no doubt in my mind she knows something and most likely participated in something to some degree.

 

[la2cabo]

While reading through all the discussion about motive, and NL's level of involvement, I remembered something. Very early on, the rumor was that a Marine had been off base during the time Erin went missing, and his wife did not know where he was. He comes back home like nothing is wrong but Erin is never seen again.

I suspect that scenario is more or less true. I also think CL had very little feeling, if any at all, for Erin. She was really just a notch on his belt. Then she got pregnant and he freaks out. He probably was afraid that NL, who seems to be a pretty tough cookie, would keep his daughter from him, or at least poison her against him. I suspect she takes not prisoners. Even worse, he will owe Erin child support for the next 18 years. And if NL divorces him, he'll owe HER child support too. So, he plays Erin for time while he figures out what to do. Then he lures Erin out to the desert and kills her, as he sees it, to keep her from wrecking his life.

The next morning, it's all over base that Erin is missing. NL, apparently not being a moron, realized CL was gone all day. She puts two and two together and gets a big fat four. She confronts him, gets the truth out of him and then swings into action, trying to save her family. So, here she is, doing everything she can to save them all, and CL can't even keep his stories straight when the police question him. And I think that is what prompted her to explode at him, about how stupid he was, in front of IM.

So, based on that, I think the motives were money and love of his daughter. Mostly money.

Jumping off your post a little... there is a presumption in the State of California, when a married woman gets pregnant the child is considered to be the husbands child unless and until it is proven otherwise. That being said, CL really is dumber than a doorknob.

 

[la2cabo]

Do you believe that CL hated Erin?

I think he hated the circumstances that he was in that he didn't know how to rectify things other than with murder.

 

[cluciano63]

Jumping off your post a little... there is a presumption in the State of California, when a married woman gets pregnant the child is considered to be the husbands child unless and until it is proven otherwise. That being said, CL really is dumber than a doorknob.

No way he would know that, Imo.
I don't agree with this law, BTW. The husband becomes a kind of victim of infidelity in a whole other way, imo. It seems rather old-fashioned, in an attempt to keep families intact. Anyway jmo.

 

[la2cabo]

Okaaayyyy..

Now I have one more question...

Exactly how many weeks does the stork come to drop off the baby after sexy time? :waitasec:

:baby:

:TIA.....

:silly: 40 weeks

 

[la2cabo]

It's scheduled to arrive 40 weeks from the last time Auntie Flo came to visit, or 38 weeks from when mummy and daddy loved each other very much.

You people are cracking me up this morning! Are you an elementary school teacher, by chance? Lol

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

I agree - Erin was already gone by the time of the sighting. But it should help to establish the timeline and possibly determine whether others were involved - knowingly or otherwise. We know the red car doesn't belong to the Lee's, so who does it belong to? And if Erin's car was moved between 7 AM and 10:30 AM - someone else had her car keys.

IMO

here's a thought I just had.... Apologies if it has been addressed and I missed or have forgotten...

Could the red car belong to IM?

I am not saying MB could have mistaken IM with either EC or NL...


But could IM's car have been borrowed for that day?

:dunno:

ETA... Do we know if IM ever visited the Lee's at THEIR apartment?

could it have been IM's red car in the photo of the apartments?

 

[la2cabo]

No way he would know that, Imo.
I don't agree with this law, BTW. The husband becomes a kind of victim of infidelity in a whole other way, imo. It seems rather old-fashioned, in an attempt to keep families intact. Anyway jmo.

I agree. I don't think he would know this nor do I think EC or NL would know it either. And, I don't agree with it either, FWIW.

 

[Dallen]

While reading through all the discussion about motive, and NL's level of involvement, I remembered something. Very early on, the rumor was that a Marine had been off base during the time Erin went missing, and his wife did not know where he was. He comes back home like nothing is wrong but Erin is never seen again.

I suspect that scenario is more or less true. I also think CL had very little feeling, if any at all, for Erin. She was really just a notch on his belt. Then she got pregnant and he freaks out. He probably was afraid that NL, who seems to be a pretty tough cookie, would keep his daughter from him, or at least poison her against him. I suspect she takes not prisoners. Even worse, he will owe Erin child support for the next 18 years. And if NL divorces him, he'll owe HER child support too. So, he plays Erin for time while he figures out what to do. Then he lures Erin out to the desert and kills her, as he sees it, to keep her from wrecking his life.

The next morning, it's all over base that Erin is missing. NL, apparently not being a moron, realized CL was gone all day. She puts two and two together and gets a big fat four. She confronts him, gets the truth out of him and then swings into action, trying to save her family. So, here she is, doing everything she can to save them all, and CL can't even keep his stories straight when the police question him. And I think that is what prompted her to explode at him, about how stupid he was, in front of IM.

So, based on that, I think the motives were money and love of his daughter. Mostly money.

:clap: I think this is exactly how it all played out.

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

Just found this, which is relevant to CL:

Adultery

Adultery is punishable under Article 134, with a maximum punishment of dishonorable discharge, forfeiture of all pay and allowances, and confinement for 1 year. Adultery is defined as wrongful sexual intercourse between a married person and someone who is not his or her spouse, when the conduct is prejudicial to good order and discipline or brings discredit to the armed forces. Even private and discreet adultery can violate these standards, depending on the circumstances.

http://www.sldn.org/content/pages/the-uniform-code-of-military-justice-ucmj

Just jumping off your post because I thought of something...

perhaps CL and NL had an "open relationship" .... Acceptance of outside dalliances...

It seems to me from the admittedly limited amount of statements we have read made by NL that she was more angry that CL got himself more involved (pregnancy of mistress) .... And was "stupid" when trying to "fix" it....And not that she was necessarily jealous....

Just some thoughts....:waitasec:

 

[Dallen]

Okaaayyyy..

Now I have one more question...

Exactly how many weeks does the stork come to drop off the baby after sexy time? :waitasec:

:baby:

:TIA.....

Your due date is set at 40 weeks, so 38 weeks after sexy time. Full term is anything after 37 weeks.

ETA: sorry, I just kept reading through and realized this was answered like 10 times already

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

So here is my 15 cents...

the red car thing ullhair::bored::deadhorse:

calculation of LMP to how far along you are "pullhair::deadhorse:, even though it is proven how to do calculate, each doctor has their own 'idea' of things...(back in the early 90's)I was on birth control for 6 months, had periods every month, went in for my 6 mth check (cervical cancer) and I had a lump in utero...I was sent to the hospital for an ultra sound... I was approx 10 wks pregnant with twins! if the doctor went by my LMP (end of January) I would have been pregnant about 6 1/2 months.. my daughter was born in August at 8lbs 13 oz(lost the twin)...it is not ALWAYS about the exact cycle, the exact number of days, blah, blah, blah. No reason to argue about it.

I am not, absolutely not, taking up for CL but if you look, truly look at his face, this is a man tortured! I do believe in my heart that his wife pushed this, same way as Heather Elvis, which keeps being brought up here, I do not think he did this alone, at all.

It will be interesting to know WHEN the google search and the man was asked about disposing of a body...
It will be interesting to know IF the wife was with him when he asked that dumbazz question.
It will be interesting to know WHY the wife made the statement of something missed to whatever her name is and TELLING LE that the .22 was at her house where he took it! UMM hello! she knew and was part of it, period. Go tell it to Judge Judy, she will get us all straightened out.
It will be interesting to know HOW foolish and dumb they both feel now, thinking they hid Erin so well they wouldn't prosecute, when it sounds like it was headed that way anyway, finding Erin so quickly just brought it home sooner rather than later.

interesting points....

it brought up a question for me...

Do LE know for certain the the search for "disposing of bodies" was just made by CL?

Or could these same searches have been made by NL?

Or could there be evidence that they both were searching the internet for this information?

for instance... DH and I share the same PC... So if one of us was searching a subject... I wonder how LE would be able to ascertain which one of us was doing the actual searching...

:waitasec:

 

[cluciano63]

Just jumping off your post because I thought of something...

perhaps CL and NL had an "open relationship" .... Acceptance of outside dalliances...

It seems to me from the admittedly limited amount of statements we have read made by NL that she was more angry that CL got himself more involved (pregnancy of mistress) .... And was "stupid" when trying to "fix" it....And not that she was necessarily jealous....

Just some thoughts....:waitasec:

I don't know about any "open marriage". I remember the wife suspected in Heather E.'s case posting about her open marriage (supposedly) as if to say there is no way they would kill Heather over an affair, which I thought was total BS. I think jealousy is probably always there, especially at these ages, (twenties) but it is just not the defining emotion when trying to cover up a crime. NL probably went into a damage control mode (if involved) and assuredly, CL would pay for the affair later, once they got out of this mess. Jmo

 

[Dallen]

The Underground Explorers website is where I have researched a lot of the mines in the area in which Erin was located as their photos and documentation of mines in that area (and pretty much ALL around) are incredible. They just stated on their FB page that a news station (KFMB News) used one of their photos without permission or credit and published it along with a story about where Erin was found (the news station has since edited their story to include credit to them for the photo.) They also state that the photo they are using IS NOT of the mine in which Erin was found. I believe them (they know their stuff!)

Here is a link to the news article (it was also linked by someone a few pages back): http://www.cbs8.com/story/26332337/a-look-at-the-mine-shaft-where-marine-wifes-body-was-dumped

I am so glad you posted this. I thought I was going crazy thinking they were not the same mine!!

 

[abbadabbado]

Brett Kelman ‏@TDSbrettkelman 1m
Authorities investigating if Nichole Lee, wife of suspect Chris Lee, helped cover up the killing of #ErinCorwin: http://desert.sn/1rUSW3E

Nichole sitting at the table..... http://www.ktuu.com/news/news/christopher-lee-arraignment/27623858

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

the fact that the DA is discussing that NL might be involved and that if EC is pregnant CL could be charged with that murder as well speaks volumes to me. I mean if there is not much of a chance of either one happening WHY would THE DA even bring it up, much less to a news reporter.

I, too, am quite interested in the fact that MSM has repeatedly reported that LE is investigating NL's involvement in this case...

seems to me they are seriously considering NL's involvement... And is putting it out in the news for a reason...

Perhaps LE is attempting to get tips from the public (and/or acquaintances) on NL's behaviors/statements/etc. that may help LE discover more?

:waitasec:

 

[77DarkHorse7]

He could manipulate her about the pregnancy, just like he manipulated her into giving up her sexual parts for his amusement, he certainly didn't have to kill her for that reason.

Unless whoever killed her did not have the manipulative access that CL did, and CL was only enlisted to clean up the mess after the fact (?) :thinking:

note: Now, I personally think he did kill her, but pregnancy being the motive would only really make sense if someone else committed the actual crime.

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

Exactly, at that time LE had not searched his jeep correct? It was parked in the carport but not searched, of which Nichole stated something was missed, and how would she know what was missed or whether it was important enough to be missed? If she told them about the .22 why not point out the something in the garage?

On 7/1 LE went to speak to both of them, Nichole was questioned about firearms, one she said was a .22 caliber rifle. A search warrant was then served, and then Nichole led them to IM's home to retrieve the rifle hidden in the closet...how did she know?
On 7/3 the Jeep was processed in which 40 caliber spent shells were found but LE never found a .40 caliber firearm.
It says now that a .22 shell was found with Erin, does it mention a gun? If I'm not mistaken a .40 is a handgun? and it has not been found.
On 7/3 it was also stated by Nichole to IM that Chris did not have an alibi for 6/29/14...hmmm the day after Erin disappeared..
and that she could keep her story straight but Chris was to dumb to keep his straight...if she was NOT INVOLVED why did she need to keep her story straight? the truth requires no effort...........................................
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/1225468-1765-001.html
of course, it's all my own opinion!

Good point....

In a nutshell.... Why would NL be upset about her husband , CL, "not keeping the story straight" if she did not have knowledge of "the story" (lies) in the first place?

Kind of puts her in a pickle... No?

:yes: