GUILTY CA - Erin Corwin, 19, pregnant, Twentynine Palms, 28 June 2014 - #10

[77DarkHorse7]

Highly nlikely that mixing up a 16oz drink of papaya, pomegranate, vitamin C, crushed up old birth control pills (where does one even find old birth control pills, anyway?), etc. would result in an abortion. Perhaps if given a high dose over an extended time it *might* be possible....or it might result in a child with birth defects.

Convincing her to raise her child with JC is only a permanent solution if the relationship lasts, which I'm certain CL had his doubts about. He would always be waiting for that envelope in the mail indicating he was required to submit his DNA for a paternity test.

Neither of the above are an absolute and definitive solution to his "problem", which I believe is what CL was looking for and, unfortunately found, in that mine. Thankfully, he will pay for it for it with his freedom for the rest of his life, however long that may be.

BBM Abortifacient does not imply teratogenic(causing birth defects), though some compounds are both, it's not the same thing.

 

[Dallen]

Hi. Been lurking for a while. Decided to come out of lurking and join so I could join in the discussion.

This article is interesting. It reads, "Detectives believe that Lee and Corwin were having an affair, and that Lee may have been afraid that his wife, Nichole, would discover his infidelity."

No mention of a possible pregnancy.

:welcome6: welcome, stayhomemommy!

 

[justonedrin]

does anyone recall if IM reported the exact timeline on when Erin stopped coming to the ranch or what she said about her last visits and when they were? cant stop and look for the video at the moment

 

[Knox]

This is what I think as well. She was confident that they would never find the body and other evidence. No case, no body! Which innocent person talks like that?! It speaks volumes to me.

It was this same affidavit that included comments by Megli, which cast suspicion on the Lee couple. According to the affidavit, Megli told detectives that:

• Nichole Lee said she was concerned her husband did not have an alibi and would "not be able to keep his lies straight."
• Nichole Lee said that detectives did not have a case "without a body," and that "detectives would never find the body."
• And that police had "missed something" while searching Lee's apartment because they did not search the garage.

When interviewed by The Desert Sun on Friday, Megli said the first two statements were misconstrued by detectives who wrote the affidavit. Nichole Lee made these statements while chatting casually at the horse ranch, discussing the Corwin disappearance and similar mysteries, comparing them to the clichès of television crime drama.

Megli said Nichole Lee was worried her husband would accidentally incriminate himself — even if he hadn't done anything wrong — if he was grilled by detectives.

Finally, Megli insisted that Nichole Lee never said police "missed something" in the garage, but actually remarked that police had simply not searched the garage at all. Nichole Lee was thankful police skipped the garage because the couple had packed their belongings in preparation to move out of the apartment, and deputies would have torn through the packaging during the search.

There was no conversation about a clue being missed, Megli said.

"I never said that," Megli said Friday. "If I would have heard that there was 'something' in the garage, don't you think I would have called the police?"

http://www.desertsun.com/story/news...topher-lee-alaska-court-extradition/14389327/

 

[Crayola]

Would you help cover up for your spouse if he/she had an affair and then murdered person in order to keep your family together?

 

[sassyblue]

Would you help cover up for your spouse if he/she had an affair and then murdered person in order to keep your family together?

Absolutely not...I would run to the authorities as fast as I could.

 

[rose222]

It was this same affidavit that included comments by Megli, which cast suspicion on the Lee couple. According to the affidavit, Megli told detectives that:

• Nichole Lee said she was concerned her husband did not have an alibi and would "not be able to keep his lies straight."
• Nichole Lee said that detectives did not have a case "without a body," and that "detectives would never find the body."
• And that police had "missed something" while searching Lee's apartment because they did not search the garage.

When interviewed by The Desert Sun on Friday, Megli said the first two statements were misconstrued by detectives who wrote the affidavit. Nichole Lee made these statements while chatting casually at the horse ranch, discussing the Corwin disappearance and similar mysteries, comparing them to the clichès of television crime drama.

Megli said Nichole Lee was worried her husband would accidentally incriminate himself — even if he hadn't done anything wrong — if he was grilled by detectives.

Finally, Megli insisted that Nichole Lee never said police "missed something" in the garage, but actually remarked that police had simply not searched the garage at all. Nichole Lee was thankful police skipped the garage because the couple had packed their belongings in preparation to move out of the apartment, and deputies would have torn through the packaging during the search.

There was no conversation about a clue being missed, Megli said.

"I never said that," Megli said Friday. "If I would have heard that there was 'something' in the garage, don't you think I would have called the police?"

http://www.desertsun.com/story/news...topher-lee-alaska-court-extradition/14389327/

Good point, DocBrew. I hadn't even considered that aspect. I am also of the opinion she knew something, or even participated in some way. MOO.

It's all so suspicious. I can think of only two appropriate responses an innocent women would have if her husband is suspected of murder:

1. 'No comment' ...silence.

2. If at all she does talk about it to friends/neighbours it would be just expressions of shock, denial and such. She would not be talking about how unsuccessful no-body cases are and how they supposedly relate to Scott Peterson's case! And she would not say 'they'll never find the body' unless she knows where the body is!

 

[heartgoesout]

I don't quite understand why Nichole was even at court. In my neck of the woods if your husband cheats on you and is arrested for murder, ya sit that one out.

 

[Knox]

SB District Attorney @sbcountyda · 2h
This morning in Alaska Christopher Brandon Lee waived extradition. At this time, no further details as to when he will return to SB County.

I think it's pretty nifty that the DA's Office Tweets updates

 

[Kensie]

Maybe to watch him stir and be in jail attire and shoot mean looks at him.

 

[Knox]

Would you help cover up for your spouse if he/she had an affair and then murdered person in order to keep your family together?

My husband is the most loyal, honest man God ever made, so that's hard to even imagine.

But if that happened, I would say no. I think it would make me sick to look at him, knowing that he killed someone.

 

[RSC]

3. She is in such denial that she does not believe her husband capable of this, and really was just chattering.
4. She was secretly worried that he did it, and was trying to dig to see if IM had any information.

(not saying I believe these, just coming up with more ideas...)

It's all so suspicious. I can think of only two appropriate responses an innocent women would have if her husband is suspected of murder:

1. 'No comment' ...silence.

2. If at all she does talk about it to friends/neighbours it would be just expressions of shock, denial and such. She would not be talking about how unsuccessful no-body cases are and how they supposedly relate to Scott Peterson's case! And she would not say 'they'll never find the body' unless she knows where the body is!

 

[RSC]

O/T, but for some reason until this very moment I always assumed that you were a man. For no apparent reason whatsoever, lol. Gotta love the internet. Although, I guess you could still be a man. Sorry for rambling.

My husband is the most loyal, honest man God ever made, so that's hard to even imagine.

But if that happened, I would say no. I think it would make me sick to look at him, knowing that he killed someone.

 

[Knox]

It's all so suspicious. I can think of only two appropriate responses an innocent women would have if her husband is suspected of murder:

1. 'No comment' ...silence.

2. If at all she does talk about it to friends/neighbours it would be just expressions of shock, denial and such. She would not be talking about how unsuccessful no-body cases are and how they supposedly relate to Scott Peterson's case! And she would not say 'they'll never find the body' unless she knows where the body is!

Very good points and ITA.

But did want to point out that IM refuted/back peddled what LE put in that PC Statement.

I guess you could apply the same reasoning ... how could LE twist what IM told them, and take it so far out of context? Hmmn ...

 

[Seajay]

Would you help cover up for your spouse if he/she had an affair and then murdered person in order to keep your family together?

I wouldn't but some women would. There are several documented cases where not only do women help cover up a murder their man committed but actually took part in it. This wouldn't be a first by a long shot.

 

[Voice4theSilent]

A few things wrong with this:
First, one can presume that the brain of a murderer, and in particular one who leaves evidence strewn about like pinata candy, is not necessarily swift enough to come up with the idea of spiking a drink with birth control pills (which may not work, btw...)

Second, you have no idea if he actually did ask her to get an abortion, at which point she may have just said no.

Third, I find the statement about "manipulating her into giving up her sexual parts" offensive. You know nothing about their relationship, and the implication is that she has no brain or ability to ward off sexual advances. In addition, someone having intercourse with someone else isn't "giving up" their parts.

Yes, it is possible that he was a master manipulator. It is also possible that they both entered this relationship very willingly, for whatever reasons, and he is simply a murderer.

BBM Best description of a dumb criminal's actions I have ever read. :laughing:

 

[Crayola]

I wouldn't but some women would. There are several documented cases where not only do women help cover up a murder their man committed but actually took part in it. This wouldn't be a first by a long shot.

I wouldn't either, but I wonder if I would have at their age.

 

[RSC]

Thanks for the reply.

If there were some magical concoction of herbs and such that would easily abort a fetus, it would be widely used, IMO. As it is, even the strongest medical abortifacients don't always work. I had methotrexate twice to eliminate ectopic pregnancies, and it didn't work either time. There is no way, IMO, that CL could have whipped up some sort of magic elixer to get rid of a 6 week (or more) fetus. In addition, trying and failing (i.e. she ends up poisoned and in the hospital) would mean a guaranteed arrest for him, as she would be the star witness. Instead, he murdered her, with the intent of no one ever finding her body.

My point about the manipulation is that you have NO idea what their relationship was like. To assert that she allowed herself to be manipulated throughout the relationship is a huge assumption. That once again points fingers at victims of murder--if only they had been strong or smart enough to not allow themselves to be manipulated.

Note that I am NOT saying you are wrong. Of course that could have been what happened. But to assume that based on absolutely no interaction with EC or without more details about the case does her an injustice, IMO.

I completely agree with everything BBM:

Yes, just spiking a drink with birth control pills probably wouldn't work,... unless the drink itself was a concoction of many other abortion inducing components, like the others I mentioned. I doubt Chris is known for his restraint when it comes to drugs.

She absolutely could have said no to a voluntary abortion, giving the drink a chance to work, and letting him lead into the third option of Jon signing the birth certificate. And even if all those failed(unlikely), he could then attribute his bellyaching to a momentary weakness, and then put this current plot in motion.

Having intercourse is not giving up your parts and being manipulated, unless you develop great love for someone who has only been in it for mere sexual gratification from the beginning and never intended to pursue a loving relationship in the least, and whose heart is so dark he doesn't flinch at just the thought of murdering you, nevermind actually carry it out. Actually, sex for mere sexual gratification (absent loving relationship) is always giving up your parts, no matter who knows what.

Yes two people can enter a relationship willingly, but if each person has VERY different ideas about what that relationship is, then the person who knows it first and still continues it, is a damned manipulator; like this evil "thing" we have here in this case.

 

[cluciano63]

Parents cover up and lie for their kids all the time...I am sure wives do as well. Especially if they are used to "cleaning up" after hubby or treating him like another child.

 

[Dmacky]

It was this same affidavit that included comments by Megli, which cast suspicion on the Lee couple. According to the affidavit, Megli told detectives that:

• Nichole Lee said she was concerned her husband did not have an alibi and would "not be able to keep his lies straight."
• Nichole Lee said that detectives did not have a case "without a body," and that "detectives would never find the body."
• And that police had "missed something" while searching Lee's apartment because they did not search the garage.

When interviewed by The Desert Sun on Friday, Megli said the first two statements were misconstrued by detectives who wrote the affidavit. Nichole Lee made these statements while chatting casually at the horse ranch, discussing the Corwin disappearance and similar mysteries, comparing them to the clichès of television crime drama.

Megli said Nichole Lee was worried her husband would accidentally incriminate himself — even if he hadn't done anything wrong — if he was grilled by detectives.

Finally, Megli insisted that Nichole Lee never said police "missed something" in the garage, but actually remarked that police had simply not searched the garage at all. Nichole Lee was thankful police skipped the garage because the couple had packed their belongings in preparation to move out of the apartment, and deputies would have torn through the packaging during the search.

There was no conversation about a clue being missed, Megli said.

"I never said that," Megli said Friday. "If I would have heard that there was 'something' in the garage, don't you think I would have called the police?"

http://www.desertsun.com/story/news...topher-lee-alaska-court-extradition/14389327/

What you want to bet that Nichole and Chris are blaming this all on IM? Not the murder, but the REASON why LE are so focused on them? :giggle: