GUILTY CA - Erin Corwin, 19, pregnant, Twentynine Palms, 28 June 2014 - #10

[Meemaw12]

Can anyone tell me where I can watch this video of NL in court?

I can't find the link on this dang phone but you go back through my posts with links it should be there.

 

[Seajay]

I'm playing devil's advocate here, but can anyone/thing positively place CL at the mine. I know there may be jeep tracks, shell casings etc. that LE has or may have found there, but has anything been stated that places CL there. I'm concerned they may not be able to place him there. His vehicle maybe, the shell casings; yes. Even if they can match the spent rounds to the .22 rifle, he was not the only person with access to the weapon. All the additional information out there is statements from different people, hearsay or speculation. I'm worried his defense may question all of this and it only takes ONE juror to cause havoc. Anyone have a take on this?

Electronic device records.

 

[Fascinated1]

So his lawyer is tweeting about him...? Seems weird.

 

[LinasK]

I watched that show as well except I fell asleep the last 10 minutes so I didn't get to see the outcome. Ugh! Was the kid convicted? TIA

Yes he was, he had no excuse for the duct tape. He tried to excuse the sleeping pills and the shovel as for his attempted suicide-like he was gonna dig his own grave, yeah right!

 

[shadetree44]

Electronic device records.

Since EC phone was turned off, why would he not disable his (off). This guy isn't just "not bright", he isn't even a light bulb!

 

[vallie]

When I miscarried at approx. 3 months, my doc said to wait 4 months before trying again. Had the appointment with him the day after the miscarriage. He was a fertility/OB Dr. Is 4 months still the SOP for the wait time between miscarriage and trying again?
And don't Dr.s tell you to wait til after the first trimester before you really start sharing the news, just in case?

in my case, dr.told me to wait until for 2 normal periods, my miscarriage occured after 15 wks, i thought i was miscarrying after 2 missed periods, i had severe bleeding, dr wanted to do a d&c but did sonagram just in case and showed viable twins. Im thinking the elevated hcg was due to the twins because 4 months is a long time to still be showing HCG after miscarrying in early stages.
Dr. did tell me to wait to share news, but after going through that, I didn't have to be told to wait until announcing later pregnancies--I'm thinking EC told him early on because he was leaving to go to Alaska and she felt pressured for time

 

[cluciano63]

Even if LE does not have electronics to prove their case, which I believe they do, the circumstantial evidence we know about at this point is about enough and I am sure there is more, to convict him. And circumstantial evidence alone has won plenty of trials...most, in fact considering there is seldom an eye witness to the crime and even confessions alone have to match the evidence. Even scientific evidence is genrally considered circumstantial, as conclusions must be drawn by juries. Jmo

http://www.theforensicteacher.com/Evidence.html

 

[LinasK]

Even if LE does not have electronics to prove their case, which I believe they do, the circumstantial evidence we know about at this point is about enough and I am sure there is more, to convict him. And circumstantial evidence alone has won plenty of trials...most, in fact considering there is seldom an eye witness to the crime and even confessions alone have to match the evidence. Jmo

What many people don't understand is that circumstantial evidence is better than direct evidence. Eyewitnesses are often mistaken, even about skin color, and you can have false confessions. DNA doesn't lie.

 

[BRRI]

I also wonder if it has to do with the tests they plan to perform? I know for me, they gave me blood thinners, a CT scan, and a VQ scan. So perhaps that determines whether they choose urine or serum pregnancy tests? Anyway, this is all speculation, because I think it's just a rumor that EC actually even went in for migraines. But *if* she did, and *if* they did a serum test, and *if* she was really pregnant, she could have found out when she was very early into a pregnancy.

I think a blood test only shows the pregnancy a few days sooner than a pregnancy test. Blood tests average a positive between 7 to 12 days post ovulation, and pregnancy tests 12 to 14 days post ovulation. The blood test would also need to be a quantatative test to show the exact amount of hCG to get a positive early. Otherwise the qualitative test just says "yes" or "no" like a normal pregnancy test.

 

[NWLady]

IIRC, a few things that we have discussed are only rumor, kind of like he said/she said type thing. Those are: That there was a party the night before EC went missing - there might have been a party but we have no idea who was there or not. IIRC, this came from a neighbor so would be considered rumor IMO. CL asking someone to go hunting IIRC came from something a neighbor said, so this would be considered rumor IMO. Neighbor catching CL and EC "together" also IIRC is a rumor as it too was said by a neighbor. All JMO and observations along the way.

As far as NL versus CL doing internet searches. I am one who has speculated on that because of the simple fact, if the searches were on their home computer, I'd say we are safe to say both NL and CL had access to and used the computer. It has NOT been stated as fact anywhere to my knowledge; however, we are allowed to speculate is why we are here.

Regarding the post up above about what CL's defense lawyer may use and do we know if there's any proof CL did it versus NL doing it versus both. I made a post just yesterday that totally agrees with that poster's thoughts; for example, just because it's the tire tracks from their Jeep etc does not IMO prove it was him driving it, etc. (I do NOT in no way believe he wasn't involved, however, I am not convinced he acted alone before, during and after. All this is JMO!

 

[BRRI]

in my case, dr.told me to wait until for 2 normal periods, my miscarriage occured after 15 wks, i thought i was miscarrying after 2 missed periods, i had severe bleeding, dr wanted to do a d&c but did sonagram just in case and showed viable twins. Im thinking the elevated hcg was due to the twins because 4 months is a long time to still be showing HCG after miscarrying in early stages.
Dr. did tell me to wait to share news, but after going through that, I didn't have to be told to wait until announcing later pregnancies--I'm thinking EC told him early on because he was leaving to go to Alaska and she felt pressured for time

Another reason to wait to announce it is chemical pregnancies. Basically, you miscarry early on and many women just attribute that to a late period, unless they take a pregnancy test, which would likely show a faint positive. Basically, a lot more women have miscarriages and don't even know it.

 

[NWLady]

I'm curious as to other member's thoughts on this: It has been said by LE, from early on, that EC's phone was shut off (not exact wording), but even if it was shut off, could they have been able to narrow down the area she was found in because of technology regarding her phone, assuming her phone was found with her or close to the area she was found? This would probably have a lot to do with whether or not it was a smart phone which I don't think we are aware of that knowledge but I was just curious as to with all the technological advances now days, and probably even more so in a missing persons/possible murder case, there may be things LE and investigators can do that are beyond what we would generally expect. Thoughts?

 

[amm]

When I miscarried at approx. 3 months, my doc said to wait 4 months before trying again. Had the appointment with him the day after the miscarriage. He was a fertility/OB Dr. Is 4 months still the SOP for the wait time between miscarriage and trying again?
And don't Dr.s tell you to wait til after the first trimester before you really start sharing the news, just in case?

It probably depends on the doctor.

With my miscarriages, my OB recommended we wait for at least one "regular" period after the D&C before trying again but he said that the wait was for emotional reasons and not physical.

Also, blood serum tests aren't very good at dating a pregnancy because there is such a wide range of normal values. A series of quantitative HCG levels can be an indicator of the viability of a pregnancy. With one of our losses, we thought we would lose the baby before it happened based on the HCG series - numbers not doubling in the right amount of time. With another of my pregnancies, we suspected multiples bc of the high HCG levels. I could give more examples but I'll stop

 

[stayhomemommy]

I think a blood test only shows the pregnancy a few days sooner than a pregnancy test. Blood tests average a positive between 7 to 12 days post ovulation, and pregnancy tests 12 to 14 days post ovulation. The blood test would also need to be a quantatative test to show the exact amount of hCG to get a positive early. Otherwise the qualitative test just says "yes" or "no" like a normal pregnancy test.

I do believe a blood HCG test can detect a pregnancy 7-14 days of conception.

 

[nikb]

I'm playing devil's advocate here, but can anyone/thing positively place CL at the mine. I know there may be jeep tracks, shell casings etc. that LE has or may have found there, but has anything been stated that places CL there. I'm concerned they may not be able to place him there. His vehicle maybe, the shell casings; yes. Even if they can match the spent rounds to the .22 rifle, he was not the only person with access to the weapon. All the additional information out there is statements from different people, hearsay or speculation. I'm worried his defense may question all of this and it only takes ONE juror to cause havoc. Anyone have a take on this?

Interesting and scary thoughts Shadetree44. I am hoping they have more that hasn't been released that specifically ties HIM to the scene. I'm thinking they must if they were confident enough to arrest him and bring him back to California.

Even the electronic device records mentioned later could be called into question IMO. I'm sure he wasn't the only one who had access to his cell phone, either. So maybe the phone was there at the mine, but how does one prove that he was the one carrying his phone at the time?

Don't get me wrong, I think he did it, but you're right that we haven't seen much specifically indicating CL himself was at the mine. Although I do have faith that LE has a whole lot more evidence than what they've released so far.

 

[nikb]

Something I haven't seen brought up much is the financial aspect of all of this.

Erin gets pregnant by CL.

Erin knows CL is planning on getting out and moving to Alaska, far far away from her.

Erin tells him that she may leave her husband and he had better be prepared to pay child support for the next 18 years.

CL realizes that she could soak him for a ton of money, if the baby is in fact his. $800 mo. (+-)

CL starts to plot and plan on how to rid himself of this problem. (Was his wife included in this planning ? ) Unknown.

CL finds a mine shaft, takes pictures of it on his phone, lures Erica to go with him for a day of target shooting.

Finding those pictures might have been why law enforcement continued to search so hard at joshua tree.

We all know the rest of the story. Erin may have died due to the oldest motivation known to man--GREED

Uhh well... re: the part in red, I don't consider it "soaking him for a ton of money" to expect him to take care of his child financially if it was in fact his child. If he's willing to cheat on his wife and not use protection (or the protection fails), the "other woman" getting pregnant with his child is one possible consequence. He doesn't get a free pass just because it was an affair. If it was his child he was obligated to help support him/her - not Erin, but the child.

That said I can see where he might view it as "soaking him for a ton of money" even though I disagree with phrasing it that way. Then again I imagine CL and I wouldn't see eye to eye on a whole lot of things. I imagine the financial aspect was at least part of the motive.

 

[Bernina]

It probably depends on the doctor.

With my miscarriages, my OB recommended we wait for at least one "regular" period after the D&C before trying again but he said that the wait was for emotional reasons and not physical.

Also, blood serum tests aren't very good at dating a pregnancy because there is such a wide range of normal values. A series of quantitative HCG levels can be an indicator of the viability of a pregnancy. With one of our losses, we thought we would lose the baby before it happened based on the HCG series - numbers not doubling in the right amount of time. With another of my pregnancies, we suspected multiples bc of the high HCG levels. I could give more examples but I'll stop

My miscarriage was back in the "stone age", 1986, and that's when they still believed "once a C-section, always a C-section". Luckily, the doc who delivered my son from my next pregnancy let me do the ol' "trial of labor" thing........just kind of confused the OB nurses when I said I didn't have my first child "Like THIS!!!!"*emphasizing the !!!!!* as I'm screaming bloody hell and pushing out a watermelon sized kid! :floorlaugh:

 

[shadetree44]

Interesting and scary thoughts Shadetree44. I am hoping they have more that hasn't been released that specifically ties HIM to the scene. I'm thinking they must if they were confident enough to arrest him and bring him back to California.

Even the electronic device records mentioned later could be called into question IMO. I'm sure he wasn't the only one who had access to his cell phone, either. So maybe the phone was there at the mine, but how does one prove that he was the one carrying his phone at the time?

Don't get me wrong, I think he did it, but you're right that we haven't seen much specifically indicating CL himself was at the mine. Although I do have faith that LE has a whole lot more evidence than what they've released so far.

That's how I feel. I can't see anything that actually puts him there. I'm sure the jury will see it as we do, but all it takes in one juror. I was on jury few years back and two of the 12 were doubting DNA evidence. One did not understand it and the other, a nurse's aid, doubted it could identify the the perp. I think the numbers were astronomical showing it was him. Thanks God the lady from the DNA lab was extremely versed in her profession. Defense tried to cross her up numerous times. He had zero luck as she was really on her game. It just showed me what they will go to in order to get an someone off. This case is hard to understand as I can't, for the life of me, believe CL is this inapt and unfeeling. Unreal! Peace.

 

[Bernina]

I think the shell casings having the same "stamps", ie, manufacturer and matching rim or center fire marks, are a solid connection. Plus any slugs *if EC was shot* that were recovered, ballistics test fired a few rounds and they also matched.

 

[shadetree44]

IIRC, a few things that we have discussed are only rumor, kind of like he said/she said type thing. Those are: That there was a party the night before EC went missing - there might have been a party but we have no idea who was there or not. IIRC, this came from a neighbor so would be considered rumor IMO. CL asking someone to go hunting IIRC came from something a neighbor said, so this would be considered rumor IMO. Neighbor catching CL and EC "together" also IIRC is a rumor as it too was said by a neighbor. All JMO and observations along the way.

As far as NL versus CL doing internet searches. I am one who has speculated on that because of the simple fact, if the searches were on their home computer, I'd say we are safe to say both NL and CL had access to and used the computer. It has NOT been stated as fact anywhere to my knowledge; however, we are allowed to speculate is why we are here.

Regarding the post up above about what CL's defense lawyer may use and do we know if there's any proof CL did it versus NL doing it versus both. I made a post just yesterday that totally agrees with that poster's thoughts; for example, just because it's the tire tracks from their Jeep etc does not IMO prove it was him driving it, etc. (I do NOT in no way believe he wasn't involved, however, I am not convinced he acted alone before, during and after. All this is JMO!

I agree 100%, With what we have, we can't positively say it was CL and no one else. All we have is evidence it happened and he is one of the likely people to have done it. His attorney did not just "fall off the apple cart", he's been around the block. I think they will get him, but they better be well prepared. Peace.