GUILTY CA - Erin Corwin, 19, pregnant, Twentynine Palms, 28 June 2014 - #10

[Voice4theSilent]

It probably depends on the doctor.

With my miscarriages, my OB recommended we wait for at least one "regular" period after the D&C before trying again but he said that the wait was for emotional reasons and not physical.

Also, blood serum tests aren't very good at dating a pregnancy because there is such a wide range of normal values. A series of quantitative HCG levels can be an indicator of the viability of a pregnancy. With one of our losses, we thought we would lose the baby before it happened based on the HCG series - numbers not doubling in the right amount of time. With another of my pregnancies, we suspected multiples bc of the high HCG levels. I could give more examples but I'll stop

I was told to wait for one full menstrual cycle after my miscarriage, not because of emotional or physical reasons, only so that (if I got pregnant right away) we would have a better idea of when I had conceived and how far along I was, based on that one menstrual period. I think all doctors are different in the advice that they give.

 

[shadetree44]

I think the shell casings having the same "stamps", ie, manufacturer and matching rim or center fire marks, are a solid connection. Plus any slugs *if EC was shot* that were recovered, ballistics test fired a few rounds and they also matched.

The shell casing could be matched to the weapon. I was more concerned with the slugs. Ballistics test would give them a "known good" to match to the recovered slugs but, with a lead .22 bullet, would it distort too much for a match. Close range and higher MV. Haven't used a .22 in many years. Larger stuff is either HJP or FMJ. Leaves decent markings. Just speculating.

 

[Meemaw12]

Cl's fingerprints should be on anything he put in the mine, tire, casings etc. I am confident LE has the evidence. Might also be on EC it her clothing.

 

[Seajay]

It also depends on if they found any unspent shells at their home or the ranch during the SW.

 

[Mrs. Gladden]

Cl's fingerprints should be on anything he put in the mine, tire, casings etc. I am confident LE has the evidence. Might also be on EC it her clothing.

A few years back we had a robbery. You could see where the door facing had been gripped when they kicked backwards to shatter the door lock. The filing cabinet had been broken into. The cash had been taken from a bank bag. Many things had been touched......and not one clear fingerprint. The robber was sweating & every place he touched was smeared.

Up until that day, I had always assumed that fingerprints were easy to get, but I watched the police painstakingly try again and again to get a clear print without success.

I'm thinking, though, if there are clear prints on anything, it will be that .22 rifle....and I would be surprised if there are prints on there other than CL's.

 

[BRRI]

I'm curious as to other member's thoughts on this: It has been said by LE, from early on, that EC's phone was shut off (not exact wording), but even if it was shut off, could they have been able to narrow down the area she was found in because of technology regarding her phone, assuming her phone was found with her or close to the area she was found? This would probably have a lot to do with whether or not it was a smart phone which I don't think we are aware of that knowledge but I was just curious as to with all the technological advances now days, and probably even more so in a missing persons/possible murder case, there may be things LE and investigators can do that are beyond what we would generally expect. Thoughts?

I wonder if there is cell service that far out though.

 

[BRRI]

Cl's fingerprints should be on anything he put in the mine, tire, casings etc. I am confident LE has the evidence. Might also be on EC it her clothing.

Agree. He likely wasn't smart enough to wear gloves or wipe the prints.

 

[BRRI]

A few years back we had a robbery. You could see where the door facing had been gripped when they kicked backwards to shatter the door lock. The filing cabinet had been broken into. The cash had been taken from a bank bag. Many things had been touched......and not one clear fingerprint. The robber was sweating & every place he touched was smeared.

Up until that day, I had always assumed that fingerprints were easy to get, but I watched the police painstakingly try again and again to get a clear print without success.

I'm thinking, though, if there are clear prints on anything, it will be that .22 rifle....and I would be surprised if there are prints on there other than CL's.

Right-it was his gun so it's reasonable to believe his finger prints should be on there. There could be fingerprints in her car (recent ones vs ones that are faded from wear), on the bullet casings...

 

[BRRI]

I wonder if they checked him for gunshot residue in the beginning

 

[77DarkHorse7]

What many people don't understand is that circumstantial evidence is better than direct evidence. Eyewitnesses are often mistaken, even about skin color, and you can have false confessions. DNA doesn't lie.

Actually what many people don't understand is the difference between eyewitness testimony and direct evidence, and that direct evidence is most assuredly better than circumstantial. Testimony is different than evidence. Both testimony and evidence are used by finders of fact(jurors) to determine guilt or innocence. Circumstantial evidence is multiple pieces of contextual proofs that only when combined can provide an outline of a crime and who did it. Direct evidence is a connected path of physical evidence that runs from the perpetrator to the crime in question, (a fingerprint on the gun that has the barrel that makes the striata that match the striata on the bullet in the victim, the bullet whose casing, inside the gun, has the firing pin impressions that match the casings found on the property of the person who matches the fingerprint. Direct evidence, an uninterrupted chain of physical evidence. That same chain without the gun and casing, is circumstantial.

 

[la2cabo]

If anyone is interested here is the link for attorney David Kaloyanides, CL's criminal defense attorney. On his web site he states his areas of practice are both federal and state criminal defense. Apparently CL is preparing for the worst case scenario.

http://www.rt2counsel.com/

 

[la2cabo]

Actually what many people don't understand is the difference between eyewitness testimony and direct evidence, and that direct evidence is most assuredly better than circumstantial. Testimony is different than evidence. Both testimony and evidence are used by finders of fact(jurors) to determine guilt or innocence. Circumstantial evidence is multiple pieces of contextual proofs that only when combined can provide an outline of a crime and who did it. Direct evidence is a connected path of physical evidence that runs from the perpetrator to the crime in question, (a fingerprint on the gun that has the barrel that makes the striata that match the striata on the bullet in the victim, the bullet whose casing, inside the gun, has the firing pin impressions that match the casings found on the property of the person who matches the fingerprint. Direct evidence, an uninterrupted chain of physical evidence. That same chain without the gun and casing, is circumstantial.

Can you please provide a link for this information? TIA

 

[Voice4theSilent]

IIRC, a few things that we have discussed are only rumor, kind of like he said/she said type thing. Those are: That there was a party the night before EC went missing - there might have been a party but we have no idea who was there or not. IIRC, this came from a neighbor so would be considered rumor IMO. CL asking someone to go hunting IIRC came from something a neighbor said, so this would be considered rumor IMO. Neighbor catching CL and EC "together" also IIRC is a rumor as it too was said by a neighbor. All JMO and observations along the way.

As far as NL versus CL doing internet searches. I am one who has speculated on that because of the simple fact, if the searches were on their home computer, I'd say we are safe to say both NL and CL had access to and used the computer. It has NOT been stated as fact anywhere to my knowledge; however, we are allowed to speculate is why we are here.

Regarding the post up above about what CL's defense lawyer may use and do we know if there's any proof CL did it versus NL doing it versus both. I made a post just yesterday that totally agrees with that poster's thoughts; for example, just because it's the tire tracks from their Jeep etc does not IMO prove it was him driving it, etc. (I do NOT in no way believe he wasn't involved, however, I am not convinced he acted alone before, during and after. All this is JMO!

The only thing that I have read in MSM that backs up the "asking people to go hunting with him prior to that day" rumor was when IM stated in her lengthy "backpedaling" audio interview that CL was supposed to go with two of his friends out that morning but they ended up not going with him. (Approximately 16 minutes into the audio interview.) She never says where they were supposed to go with him that morning, just stated that if he had been able to get ahold of them and had taken them with him as planned that everything would be different and he wouldn't have had to worry about anything. (I believe when they refer to the 29th that they actually meant the 28th.) Funny she says "that morning" and not "that day". Makes me think whatever happened to Erin occurred that morning.

Also, in listening to the interview again, IM states that she had absolutely no clue that Erin was pregnant again. (Though, didn't others who worked at the Horse Rescue know she was pregnant again? I can't imagine anyone at that Rescue knowing something that IM didn't herself know....????)

http://www.cbs8.com/story/26134550/...ng-for-one-month-horse-ranch-owner-speaks-out

She is going to be a lot of fun for the Prosecution in this case, I can already tell. Yikes!

 

[77DarkHorse7]

Can you please provide a link for this information? TIA

I can't find a link, apparently the american legal system is insane.

I will say that eyewitness testimony is not as good as a chain of physical evidence that Directly ties a perpetrator to a crime, but in some cases it may be better than evidence of the context of the crime and the circumstances of both the perpetrator and the victim at the time of the attack.

 

[la2cabo]

Does anybody know what the pros and cons of fighting extradition would be? I thought CL would fight extradition in an effort to stay in Alaska longer so that he would be closer to family and visitors. Will he be able to have visitors while he's waiting for his trial? Boy would I like to be a fly on the visitation room wall when his attorney pays him a visit.

I'll also be curious to see if NL moves back to CA to be near CL and stand by her man. It will be interesting to see how their relationship plays out in the coming weeks and months. I wonder who will throw who under the bus first? :underbus:

 

[Voice4theSilent]

Interesting and scary thoughts Shadetree44. I am hoping they have more that hasn't been released that specifically ties HIM to the scene. I'm thinking they must if they were confident enough to arrest him and bring him back to California.

Even the electronic device records mentioned later could be called into question IMO. I'm sure he wasn't the only one who had access to his cell phone, either. So maybe the phone was there at the mine, but how does one prove that he was the one carrying his phone at the time?

Don't get me wrong, I think he did it, but you're right that we haven't seen much specifically indicating CL himself was at the mine. Although I do have faith that LE has a whole lot more evidence than what they've released so far.

Video of Erin leaving base, CL leaving base, and NL not leaving base might be enough proof.

 

[Voice4theSilent]

Does anybody know what the pros and cons of fighting extradition would be? I thought CL would fight extradition in an effort to stay in Alaska longer so that he would be closer to family and visitors. Will he be able to have visitors while he's waiting for his trial? Boy would I like to be a fly on the visitation room wall when his attorney pays him a visit.

I'll also be curious to see if NL moves back to CA to be near CL and stand by her man. It will be interesting to see how their relationship plays out in the coming weeks and months. I wonder who will throw who under the bus first? :underbus:

And if NL does come back, I wonder if she will be staying with IM :thinking:

 

[jojo87]

This info has probably been posted somewhere but I found it informative
http://www.early-pregnancy-tests.com/blood-pregnancy-test.html
Also info about migraine and pregnancy
http://www.migrainetrust.org/factsheet-pregnancy-breastfeeding-and-migraine-10901
Info about HCG levels during and after pregnancy and end of pregnancy or miscarriage
http://americanpregnancy.org/duringpregnancy/hcglevels.html

 

[Schmaley]

I dont know what the involvement of NL was in this but if she did not help guide CL through it then I cant imagine what conversation took place after. Being involved in the cover up would have been a crazy thing to discuss "oh we should Google 'best way to dispose of a body'" "oh, great idea honey."

Or if she wasnt involved at all and truly believes it wasn't him then she ought to be seriously questioning if he is the most unlucky man alive. Your husbands mistress goes missing on a day when she was supposed to be with your husband and the person who killed her used a gun just like your husband owns and had same tire tracks as your husband's car. Also just happened to bury her in a spot that your computer shows was recently searched. Wow. That would be some serious misfortune for your husband.

 

[maskedwoman]

I agree 100%, With what we have, we can't positively say it was CL and no one else. All we have is evidence it happened and he is one of the likely people to have done it. His attorney did not just "fall off the apple cart", he's been around the block. I think they will get him, but they better be well prepared. Peace.

Keep in mind that, with smart phones, the searches could have been on his phone rather than on the computer. And he could have had another device besides a phone that he didn't realize was sending GPS info. I say let's not borrow trouble before he's even had his preliminary hearing, LOL.