GUILTY CA - Erin Corwin, 19, pregnant, Twentynine Palms, 28 June 2014 - #10

[Mrs. Gladden]

[modsnip]

I personally do not support the closing of the mines in the High Desert due to one tragic and extremely rare event. As someone who owns property in Joshua Tree, I know first hand how depleted our county resources are and there is no money to spare - period. There are far more abandoned homes throughout the area than caves and mines and they have became a hazard to far too many of us. Some turn into crystal meth labs, some are taken over by squatters and others are used as party houses. When a property owner petitions to have one of the unsafe abandoned houses torn down we are told the county is bankrupt and they simply don't have the funds to do it. I know this first hand. So, until this pressing issue that puts so many of us at risk is addressed, there should (and will not be) money available (and it would cost millions ) to close up any mines. Bad things happen. Sadly, they can happen anywhere. I truly appreciate those who loved Erin wanting to do something to ease their pain that seems both tangible and pro-active. Perhaps closing this one mine could accomplish that. In my opinion it should end there when it comes to this petition. I say this as someone who has invested in this community and who also feels great compassion and empathy for those who lost their lovely Erin.

From a few things that I've looked at, BLM has had a project to close many of the abandoned mines. If I understand correctly some have been filled in, others have enclosures where wildlife can enter, i.e. bats, barn owls. As with your county, BLM has had a problem with funding also. Here are a couple of links that I've browsed.

http://www.conservation.ca.gov/inde... BLM seal abandoned mines in SoCal desert.pdf

http://www.blm.gov/ca/st/en/info/newsbytes/2012/558xtra_aml_mountaineer.html

 

[77DarkHorse7]

Lying In Wait: A Simple Tale Of Two Murders

Mr. Brown intends to commit the simple premeditated murder of MR SMITH. He knows the exact time that MR SMITH leaves his office every day: 9:00pm. Mr. Brown arrives at the office building at precisely 9:00pm, takes out his gun and is ready to fire. This time MR SMITH does not come out. Knowing the guard, soon to arrive, will be suspicious of the man with the outstretched gun, Mr. Brown disembarks from the scene. A dejected Mr. Brown, after a few hours of hard drinking, arrives at his home only to find MR SMITH, who has been lying in wait for him, and the two bullets mid-flight that will now put an end to this story...

 

[Marg from Oz]

That's strange, I thought OZ meant that "we're NOT in Kansas anymore". Lol. :silly:

I thought Oz in the Wizard of Oz was a fictitious place name for the movie.

 

[EmmaRose]

I'm just kind of discombobulated......grrr! My dad died on the 6th and my brain doesn't know what to do with that, it's complicated, thought I could keep myself busy hanging on WS, but I'm slowly realizing I'm having a hard time communicating when my brain just wants to shut down, bleck! :gaah:


Think I'll just put myself on "Read Only" mode! :floorlaugh:
Eh, it'll get better........:truce:

Sorry about your Dad, Bernina. We don't care if you're "a little discombobulated" here. It's tough to lose a parent and I hope following cases and commenting here, among friends, will help you through! Hugs.

 

[rose222]

Do you think that Erin was alive when CL pushed her down the mine shaft? Maybe that is another reason they are saying it was such a heinous crime. If she had even survived the fall, she would have been lying there dying a very painful death with those horrible injuries. (I don't even know if she could have survived the fall...just speculating.
moo

That's what I thought all along as soon as I thought about her being in a mine shaft, that he just got her close to the opening, (maybe to have a look down) and pushed her. To me that would be an easier way then for him to shoot her first then throw her down there. However, with finding spent shell casings down there with her, I don't know now.

If you really want to look at one of the worst case scenarios, it would be that Chris, alone or with Nicole tormented Erin physically/emotionally before throwing her down into the mine. In this case, yes, it is possible that he shot her just enough to wound her and then pushed her down into the mine while she was still alive. I doubt it though. I don't think he's that sadistic. I think he just wanted Erin dead.

 

[Coquette]

If you really want to look at one of the worst case scenarios, it would be that Chris, alone or with Nicole tormented Erin physically/emotionally before throwing her down into the mine. In this case, yes, it is possible that he shot her just enough to wound her and then pushed her down into the mine while she was still alive. I doubt it though. I don't think he's that sadistic. I think he just wanted Erin dead.

I had the thought that he pushed her down with her back to him to avoid both eye contact and human connection ( this allows for a more disembodied experience) and then shot straight down into the mine repeatedly to insure her death. This strikes me as the most cowardly way to accomplish his goal. It is one thing to face a woman you have been intimate with and shoot her dead while she stares out at you in sad and stunned desperation. It is another thing to push her down a hole face forward and then shoot willy nilly in a mad act of your own fear and desperation to make her and the entire situation just go away.

 

[77DarkHorse7]

I thought Oz in the Wizard of Oz was a fictitious place name for the movie.

I know. But supposedly the place wasn't in Kansas.
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Speaking of Australia, and all of this animal cruelty, I just thought of the best punishment for this guy. Put him in that corral and get Russell Crowe to come out and beat the $#%@ out of him!

 

[SweetyBee]

As someone who has been an insider on this case from the first day (one of the law enforcement agencies connected to the case), I just wanted to say hello and thank you. I have been reading here since day one and so many of you have brought up good points and bits of information. There is so much that I would like to say but cannot for obvious reasons. The San Bernardino County Homicide Division has done an amazing job with this case, as well as all the volunteers from search and rescue, as well as all of you. The countless hours that you have spent researching this case and the "players" in the case have given new directions and new questions to be asked. Please give yourself a pat on the back for a job well done.

SweetyBee

 

[rose222]

I had the thought that he pushed her down with her back to him to avoid both eye contact and human connection ( this allows for a more disembodied experience) and then shot straight down into the mine repeatedly to insure her death. This strikes me as the most cowardly way to accomplish his goal. It is one thing to face a woman you have been intimate with and shoot her dead while she stares out at you in sad and stunned desperation. It is another thing to push her down a hole face forward and then shoot willy nilly in a mad act of your own fear and desperation to make her and the entire situation just go away.

This could be it, Coquette. He may not even have successfully shot her to death but he could have tried. She may have died from bleeding wounds and exhaustion. I get shivers just thinking about it.

 

[rosesfromangels]

It really takes a special person to do what this Chris guy is suspected of doing. Poor Erin. I bet she woke up that morning thinking about what a wonderful day it would be...maybe she dressed real nice that day, she must have imagined a romantic drive, just the two of them...perhaps she was thinking of baby names and such...and all the while Chris had already decided that Erin would not be with him on the drive back to 29 Palms.

Coming back to Nicole I don't understand the need to mention Scott Peterson while her husband is --if not arrested-- at least the number one suspect in a case. Why Scott Peterson? Which innocent person draws comparisons to a case where the victim was a pregnant woman who was murdered because the man did not want to deal with the responsibilities that come with being a parent. Not to mention that Scott Peterson was found guilty. Truly a bizarre sort of connection to make at that point. At any point. Imagine that you are the innocent wife and that your innocent husband is suspected of murdering a girl. Would you even think about the Scott Peterson case? Would you think about how people get away with murder? How the inability to find the remains of victims makes convictions less likely? If you do think about cases then you'd think about ones where innocent people have been wrongly convicted or at least suspected of crimes. The strangest statements really.

If I were in her shoes I'd be too much in shock and too many tears would be rolling down my cheek all day and all night long to even think about such things.

Exactly. Combine that with the fact she isn't in the slammer like her husband makes me wonder if she hasn't been cooperating with LE. She looks like one mighty angry wife. Now whether she is involved in the murder or not, will come out eventually.

 

[Flutterflies]

As someone who has been an insider on this case from the first day (one of the law enforcement agencies connected to the case), I just wanted to say hello and thank you. I have been reading here since day one and so many of you have brought up good points and bits of information. There is so much that I would like to say but cannot for obvious reasons. The San Bernardino County Homicide Division has done an amazing job with this case, as well as all the volunteers from search and rescue, as well as all of you. The countless hours that you have spent researching this case and the "players" in the case have given new directions and new questions to be asked. Please give yourself a pat on the back for a job well done.

SweetyBee

:welcome: SweetyBee! :welcome: to Websleuths!:welcome:Glad you joined us!!:welcome:

:welcome:Thanks for your sweet post!!:welcome:

 

[rosesfromangels]

As someone who has been an insider on this case from the first day (one of the law enforcement agencies connected to the case), I just wanted to say hello and thank you. I have been reading here since day one and so many of you have brought up good points and bits of information. There is so much that I would like to say but cannot for obvious reasons. The San Bernardino County Homicide Division has done an amazing job with this case, as well as all the volunteers from search and rescue, as well as all of you. The countless hours that you have spent researching this case and the "players" in the case have given new directions and new questions to be asked. Please give yourself a pat on the back for a job well done.

SweetyBee

SweetyBee - thank you so much for posting and saying that, and for all you LE hero's and heroines have done on this case and every day!
We know there is so much more to follow on this case.....

God Bless You!

 

[SweetyBee]

:welcome: SweetyBee! :welcome: to Websleuths!:welcome:Glad you joined us!!:welcome:

:welcome:Thanks for your sweet post!!:welcome:

Thank you! I used to post on Websleuths back in the day (well before I worked for law enforcement) during the Scott Peterson trial. When this case came up, I came back to my old stomping ground. I remember how tenacious everyone was in trying to find the truth.

 

[rosesfromangels]

I had the thought that he pushed her down with her back to him to avoid both eye contact and human connection ( this allows for a more disembodied experience) and then shot straight down into the mine repeatedly to insure her death. This strikes me as the most cowardly way to accomplish his goal. It is one thing to face a woman you have been intimate with and shoot her dead while she stares out at you in sad and stunned desperation. It is another thing to push her down a hole face forward and then shoot willy nilly in a mad act of your own fear and desperation to make her and the entire situation just go away.

The old saying of dead men tell no tales is not accurate. The autopsy will reveal a great deal....

 

[stayhomemommy]

This could be it, Coquette. He may not even have successfully shot her to death but he could have tried. She may have died from bleeding wounds and exhaustion. I get shivers just thinking about it.

He likely did shoot her at some point. But just in case not, is it possible the spent shells weren't even shot at EC? Perhaps he first kept-up his act and pretended to be hunting or target practicing? Just a thought. MOO.

 

[la2cabo]

I'm just kind of discombobulated......grrr! My dad died on the 6th and my brain doesn't know what to do with that, it's complicated, thought I could keep myself busy hanging on WS, but I'm slowly realizing I'm having a hard time communicating when my brain just wants to shut down, bleck! :gaah:

Think I'll just put myself on "Read Only" mode! :floorlaugh:
Eh, it'll get better........:truce:

I'm so sorry about your dad. It will get better in time but in the mean time don't worry about your posts on here. We all make a confusing post once in a while that we might even regret, however, I've found that we are a very forgiving bunch of people. If you want to write a post but not make it public, send it to me. I'll be happy to read it.

 

[rose222]

He likely did shoot her at some point. But just in case not, is it possible the spent shells weren't even shot at EC? Perhaps he first kept-up his act and pretended to be hunting or target practicing? Just a thought. MOO.

Oh, I hadn't even thought of this option. Certainly possible but so very cruel.

 

[tvscum]

Will the autopsy results be released to the public? If so, when?

I might just lose it if the evidence reveals that Erin was tortured before being murdered.

The old saying of dead men tell no tales is not accurate. The autopsy will reveal a great deal....

I requested the autopsy and was told it will not be released until the case is litigated. Likely, the coroner would be expected to testify about her cause of death at the preliminary hearing. It is possible the prosecutor could inform the judge about her cause of death at tomorrow's arraignment, but that usually only happens in bail review hearings. As I understand it, the special circumstances allegation of lying in wait make CL ineligible for bail. As a result, tomorrow's hearing should be a simple plea of not guilty and no new details will come out in court.

BBM: I'm still catching up so I apologize in advance if this has already been addressed. As far as I know the migraine and visit to the ER are simply rumor. Nobody has been able to find and/or post an MSM link for this.

The details of the visit to the emergency room came from EC's sister in law and was not reported in the MSM. However, the date of the visit was June 15 (Father's Day) and that date was confirmed in a MSM report:
http://www.kesq.com/news/marines-mother-breaks-silence-on-search-for-daughterinlaw/26857092

As for the red car, could have been someone saw it parked there, decided to see if anything in it steal, or to see if anyone had left a note that the car was broke down, or whatever. Could have been innocent reason someone was there that has nothing to do with the actual crime. Since it doesn't seem the police are looking for someone driving a red car, they might already know who it was, and why they were there.

LE has simply disregarded the report of the red car. The arrest warrant makes no mention of the red car, in fact, it says CL was the last person to see EC alive and he picked up EC "from the location where her vehicle was located"
http://www.sbcountyda.org/Portals/8/PressReleases/2014/FMB1400414 Lee warrant and declaration.pdf

 

[cluciano63]

Wonder what the hold up is on autopsy? Or if done, are they not revealing that fact? It is not unusual to hold back on COD, but they usually so.

 

[cluciano63]

I doubt LE disregarded the red car completely. If they did, it leaves a new scenario open to defense, possibly. Jmo