GUILTY CA - Erin Corwin, 19, pregnant, Twentynine Palms, 28 June 2014 - #11

[la2cabo]

As a lot of you seem to have figured out, I'm a big doubter. Sorry. I just can't seem to get my mind around this affair. I don't know, something about a torrid affair that lasted for months doesn't quite fit. She lost a baby, and it sent her into a pit of depression, and then somehow a week later she's brimming with so much confidence that she's ready to start a sexual relationship with a married man. I might buy a slip up when she's really down in the dumps and he takes advantage, but her continuing it on and on for months in that mental state just doesn't jive.

:sorry:

I guess I'm not understanding the point of your post...

 

[Fascinated1]

As a lot of you seem to have figured out, I'm a big doubter. Sorry. I just can't seem to get my mind around this affair. I don't know, something about a torrid affair that lasted for months doesn't quite fit. She lost a baby, and it sent her into a pit of depression, and then somehow a week later she's brimming with so much confidence that she's ready to start a sexual relationship with a married man. I might buy a slip up when she's really down in the dumps and he takes advantage, but her continuing it on and on for months in that mental state just doesn't jive.

:sorry:

I'm not sure one has to be brimming with confidence to have an affair--in fact I would suspect the opposite. And I don't think we know if it was torrid or not--nor do we know when the sex started. It could have just been attention. And if NL had miscarried ( which we only suspect) then he prob could relate to what Erin was going thru maybe more easily then JC could. She was a teenager and someone was showing her special attention. Since CL cheated everyone involved out of understanding Erin's point of view, Might be good to focus on nl and cl relationship since they are both alive to understand why he was cheating on his wife. At least twice that we know of.

 

[cluciano63]

Jmo still confused about a lot of timing issues. I thought the original affair was in January...and also the miscarriage? Or was one or the other in February? Could both pregnancies be related to CL? How does JC or anyone else really know when it first started? CL would lie about anything, it seems.

Imo, even the fact that he claimed he only "kissed" Erin (to police) indicates to me he was trying to remove himself as a possible father of child if she was pregnant. Why even say that otherwise? Anyway, nothing has changed in my belief the motive was all about the pregnancy issue.

 

[heartgoesout]

Welcome, truthbeknown ! Glad to have you onboard.

 

[Mrs. Gladden]

Jmo still confused about a lot of timing issues. I thought the original affair was in January...and also the miscarriage? Or was one or the other in February? Could both pregnancies be related to CL? How does JC or anyone else really know when it first started? CL would lie about anything, it seems.

Imo, even the fact that he claimed he only "kissed" Erin (to police) indicates to me he was trying to remove himself as a possible father of child if she was pregnant. Why even say that otherwise? Anyway, nothing has changed in my belief the motive was all about the pregnancy issue.

The only things I'm aware of are that Erin posted on her FB page in January that she was pregnant. And, then in March, JC found out that Erin had a brief affair. http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/08/26/erin-corwin-husband-jon--closure/14606791/

 

[nikb]

Jmo still confused about a lot of timing issues. I thought the original affair was in January...and also the miscarriage? Or was one or the other in February? Could both pregnancies be related to CL? How does JC or anyone else really know when it first started? CL would lie about anything, it seems.

Imo, even the fact that he claimed he only "kissed" Erin (to police) indicates to me he was trying to remove himself as a possible father of child if she was pregnant. Why even say that otherwise? Anyway, nothing has changed in my belief the motive was all about the pregnancy issue.

BBM maybe it's just been in my experience (and I know I posted this much earlier so apologies if it's a repeat for anyone) - but in every case of an affair that I've known of where the person finally halfway confessed, they always 'admitted' to less than what they actually did. If they say it's "just a friend" it's more like an "emotional affair" - and they probably kissed at least. If they say "we just kissed" they probably had sex. If they "only did it once," "I was drunk and stupid," "it was only a one night stand" etc. they've probably had sex numerous times. JMO and JME of course.

The second I read that CL admitted to kissing her after he previously said she was just some neighbor he happened to know, I felt like it was probably way more and had probably gone on a lot longer. I doubt he "only" kissed her, and I doubt whatever happened was "only" once. I'd love to be wrong, but if I am, what other motive did he have to kill her?

 

[heartgoesout]

As a lot of you seem to have figured out, I'm a big doubter. Sorry. I just can't seem to get my mind around this affair. I don't know, something about a torrid affair that lasted for months doesn't quite fit. She lost a baby, and it sent her into a pit of depression, and then somehow a week later she's brimming with so much confidence that she's ready to start a sexual relationship with a married man. I might buy a slip up when she's really down in the dumps and he takes advantage, but her continuing it on and on for months in that mental state just doesn't jive.

:sorry:

Doesn't matter. It's an after thought. Whether it was a torrid affair, one night or one kiss. I don't care if she was sleeping with the whole darn base. Her personal life holds no bearing on cause for murder.

 

[cluciano63]

BBM maybe it's just been in my experience (and I know I posted this much earlier so apologies if it's a repeat for anyone) - but in every case of an affair that I've known of the person where the person finally halfway confessed, they always 'admitted' to less than what they actually did. If they say it's "just a friend" it's more like an "emotional affair" - and they probably kissed at least. If they say "we just kissed" they probably had sex. If they "only did it once," "I was drunk and stupid," "it was only a one night stand" etc. they've probably had sex numerous times. JMO and JME of course.

The second I read that CL admitted to kissing her after he previously said she was just some neighbor he happened to know, I felt like it was probably way more and had probably gone on a lot longer. I doubt he "only" kissed her, and I doubt whatever happened was "only" once. I'd love to be wrong, but if I am, what other motive did he have to kill her?

He may have admitted to kissing her because police already knew about the affair...so of course he tried to minimize it...as well as not be involved in a pregnancy...jmo

 

[nikb]

The only things I'm aware of are that Erin posted on her FB page in January that she was pregnant. And, then in March, JC found out that Erin had a brief affair. http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/08/26/erin-corwin-husband-jon--closure/14606791/

Wasn't it also March that she left her job at Tractor Supply Co. in Yucca Valley for personal reasons? (if this article http://www.desertsun.com/story/news/nation/2014/07/20/erin-corwin-chronicle-facebook/12905463/ is accurate it says "They arrived at the Air Ground Combat Center in Twentynine Palms in late 2013. Erin got a job, again at Tractor Supply Co., in Yucca Valley in January, but left in March for personal reasons, said assistant manager Darin Sanden.")

 

[cluciano63]

Doesn't matter. It's an after thought. Whether it was a torrid affair, one night or one kiss. I don't care if she was sleeping with the whole darn base. Her personal life holds no bearing on cause for murder.

It bears on motive...one's personal life often does if the victim knows the killer. If she did not know CL as she did, she would be alive, Imo. If they simply remained neighbors, she would be alive, Imo. But her personal life does not justify murder or harm, no one's does. Still, it becomes a part of the crime as a whole in a case like this. It has to be.

Jmo

 

[nikb]

Doesn't matter. It's an after thought. Whether it was a torrid affair, one night or one kiss. I don't care if she was sleeping with the whole darn base. Her personal life holds no bearing on cause for murder.

While I mostly agree, I do think it might have a lot of bearing on the motive. I don't care about it in terms of judging her, but I do care in terms of understanding why this happened to her.

 

[nikb]

It bears on motive...one's personal life often does if the victim knows the killer. If she did not know CL as she did, she would be alive, Imo. If they simply remained neighbors, she would be alive, Imo. But her personal life does not justify murder or harm, no one's does. Still, it becomes a part of the crime as a whole in a case like this. It has to be.

Jmo

You said this so much better than I did. Thanks Clu.

 

[heartgoesout]

It bears on motive...one's personal life often does if the victim knows the killer. If she did not know CL as she did, she would be alive, Imo. If they simply remained neighbors, she would be alive, Imo. But her personal life does not justify murder or harm, no one's does. Still, it becomes a part of the crime as a whole in a case like this. It has to be.

Jmo

It sounds as if 7dh77 is questioning if an extended affair ever happened. As in, putting doubt on the affair...why would he kill her then? As in setting up a defense and having a reasonable doubt if there was a motive. I'm saying the extent of their "connection" doesn't matter to the general person if the evidence adds up. I don't care who she choose to sleep with, I care who killed her (and not even necessarily why). Sometimes the why is never answered.

 

[la2cabo]

It sounds as if 7dh77 is questioning if an extended affair ever happened. As in, putting doubt on the affair...why would he kill her then? As in setting up a defense and having a reasonable doubt if there was a motive. I'm saying the extent of their "connection" doesn't matter to the general person if the evidence adds up. I don't care who she choose to sleep with, I care who killed her (and not even necessarily why). Sometimes the why is never answered.

BBM: I never thought about it like that. I wonder if that's what darkhorse is thinking?

 

[la2cabo]

O/T ~ For anyone who followed the thread for Bryce Laspisa, today is one year ago that he went missing and his thread has reopened.

 

[heartgoesout]

Originally Posted by 77DarkHorse7
"As a lot of you seem to have figured out, I'm a big doubter. Sorry. I just can't seem to get my mind around this affair. I don't know, something about a torrid affair that lasted for months doesn't quite fit."

Sounds exactly what 77dh7 is thinking. I should also add that the questions 77dh7 proposes does get the mind thinking and I appreciate the out of the box thinking

 

[cluciano63]

Not sure why the affair is in doubt, with Erin telling her friend they were celebrating. I don't think anyone celebrates a one-night stand? She clearly, Imo, felt they had a relationship. And that he felt the same. Jmo

Also, it seems as though JC knew about the initial relationship?

 

[Seajay]

The Maria Lauderbach case is on ID right now. The decorated Marine Cesar Laurean who murdered his pregnant girlfriend. Turned out the baby was not his.

 

[Seajay]

Jon said the affair happened to the police, that's where they got the information. You don't kill someone for no reason. She was pregnant, she had had an affair with CL, he killed her. I think we pretty much established that, didn't we?

Otherwise, this poor girl has had her name drug through the mud with being accused of an affair that never happened. That would be unconscionable. Enough info is out there that the affair and the pick up of it after getting caught happened. She text her TN friend as such. That came from HER.

 

[nikb]

The Maria Lauderbach case is on ID right now. The decorated Marine Cesar Laurean who murdered his pregnant girlfriend. Turned out the baby was not his.

Wow... I wasn't familiar with that case but will check it out. Sounds similar enough to be worth watching! We don't get that channel but I'll see if I can find it online somewhere.