GUILTY CA - Erin Corwin, 19, pregnant, Twentynine Palms, 28 June 2014 - #11

[77DarkHorse7]

See link below:
CL attorney says he has received NO discovery. San Bernardino County Counsel says the autopsy will not be released because it is a law enforcement record (an exemption under the California Public Records Act). So, the autopsy is not sealed by a judge. The defense attorney could release it once he gets it in discovery. County Counsel says in its letter the autopsy will be released after the case is adjudicated. Also, there is an extended interview posted here with Douglas Billings, the search team map expert:

http://www.cbs8.com/story/26377979/...n-murder-of-erin-corwin-coroner-seals-autopsy

Yep, as I suspected, no discovery yet, not till the TRC :gavel:

 

[cluciano63]

Anyway, motive does not need to be proven, and I think LE has enough either way. They did not need to arrest him when Erin was found...sometimes an arrest comes much later, even with a POI all along, in facts lot of times. But they were ready with their evidence, Imo. And whether or not they can "prove" motive, I think it will be made clear in court what happened and why.

 

[moonbeams]

Why hire a federal attorney, for a state charge?

IMO because he knew he dumped EC on FEDERAL land and also because he wasn't sure the Marine Corps wouldn't involve themselves. (I guess he didn't realize they'd be embarrassed and distance themselves from this heinous case???)

 

[77DarkHorse7]

IMO because he knew he dumped EC on FEDERAL land and also because he wasn't sure the Marine Corps wouldn't involve themselves. (I guess he didn't realize they'd be embarrassed and distance themselves from this heinous case???)

Also because he handles both types of cases.

 

[pinkie60]

i just wonder how CL found this remote mine. How long was he stationed on this base? I have a feeling someone helped him with this murder. Is NL a local resident who would have knowledge of abandoned mines? I thought maybe CL and NL attacked and beat her prior to shooting her.

 

[stayhomemommy]

See link below:
CL attorney says he has received NO discovery. San Bernardino County Counsel says the autopsy will not be released because it is a law enforcement record (an exemption under the California Public Records Act). So, the autopsy is not sealed by a judge. The defense attorney could release it once he gets it in discovery. County Counsel says in its letter the autopsy will be released after the case is adjudicated. Also, there is an extended interview posted here with Douglas Billings, the search team map expert:

http://www.cbs8.com/story/26377979/...n-murder-of-erin-corwin-coroner-seals-autopsy

In this article, Douglas Billings states there was no wood, but a ledge. So I guess the reporting of a "false bottom" was untrue. It makes me wonder if they were able to retrieve all the evidence, or did some fall down off the ledge?

 

[moonbeams]

Two things I wanted to hear thoughts on ...

Why hasn't the DA's office followed through on his promise to the media to give them a media statement on Erin's pregnancy? It was supposed to be later that day, or the following day (I'll look it up).

I'm going to assume that Chris, nor anyone in his family has the money to pay for his defense. How would that scenario play out? Would he eventually be appointed a public defender, or can Kaloyanides represent him at a PD rate?

I asked earlier how he was paying. I assume Kaloyanides is doing this case pro bono for the notoriety/publicity.

 

[stayhomemommy]

Why hasn't the DA's office followed through on his promise to the media to give them a media statement on Erin's pregnancy? It was supposed to be later that day, or the following day (I'll look it up).

This is bothering me, too. Why promise and backdown?

I asked earlier how he was paying. I assume Kaloyanides is doing this case pro bono for the notoriety/publicity.

I am guessing it's pro-bono, too. Notoriety for the attorney.

 

[SweetyBee]

IMO because he knew he dumped EC on FEDERAL land and also because he wasn't sure the Marine Corps wouldn't involve themselves. (I guess he didn't realize they'd be embarrassed and distance themselves from this heinous case???)

I dont believe that the Marine Corps distanced themselves from the case at all. There are 4 jurisdictions involved.
1. San Bernardino County - They started the case from the beginning, not the Marine Corps. The case started when there was a missing person from Joshua Tree State Park (even though we now know thats not the case). Joshua Tree State Park is in San Bernardino County. That's the correct jurisdiction.
2. Bureau of Land Management - A Federal Agency. Yes, they could bring federal charges, but crimes like this are often handled at the County Level. Back to #1.
3. Riverside County - Her remains were on the other side of the county line in Riverside County. Riverside County wont trump the jurisdiction of San Bernardino because San Bernardino has an open, active case. Back to #1.
4. The Marine Corps - Yes, the crime happened while he was still in the Marine Corps. More than likely, the Marine Corps is not going to bring him back to active duty status and jail him in the brig just so they can carry the case. SJA (Special Judge Advocate) has absolutely prosecuted murder cases with convictions, no problem. But if they bring him back, they have to pay him, feed him, clothe him and provide him medical and dental, as well as for his family. His dishonorable discharge would happen as part of his sentencing at that point (BCD - Bad Conduct Discharge). When cases like this happen, and the civilian authorities are the lead agency on it, the civilian authorities keep the case unless they refuse to prosecute. In that case, the SJA would most likely pick up the ball and run with it. Back to #1.

BTW, I heard it mentioned here a days ago..... Yes, CL has an honorable discharge from the Marine Corps. After his conviction, that can easily be rectified to a BCD via administrative paperwork. They would not have to bring him back to active status to accomplish this. *edited to add* That would effectively wipe out any benefits that he would be entitled to (i.e. G.I. Bill, VA Home Loan, VA Disability Benefits, Etc...). G.I Bills can be used by spouses or children. The Vet has to sign them over. If he gets a BCD, NL or their child will not be able to access them. The benefits just simply disappear.

Hope this helps.

 

[Mrs. Gladden]

i just wonder how CL found this remote mine. How long was he stationed on this base? I have a feeling someone helped him with this murder. Is NL a local resident who would have knowledge of abandoned mines? I thought maybe CL and NL attacked and beat her prior to shooting her.

Because of CL's love of Jeeps, I did a Google search the same weekend Erin was found and came up with a 4X4 Off Road Run & wondered if CL had ever looked at it & driven to the area described in it. If I thought of it, I wouldn't be surprised if he found it, too, and tried the area out.

Joshua Tree National Park
Off-Road 4x4 Run!
(Gold Crown Rd./Old Dale Road/
Black Eagle Mine/Joshua Tree National Park
Geology Tour Road/Berdoo Canyon Road)

"We will travel down Gold Crown Road where we will turn east heading towards O.K. Mine. There, we will look at remnants of old mining operations before returning to Gold Crown Road. "

http://www.jeepsunlimited.com/forum...-Joshua-Tree-Off-Road-4X4-Run-mid-February-08

 

[77DarkHorse7]

This is bothering me, too. Why promise and backdown?



I am guessing it's pro-bono, too. Notoriety for the attorney.

BBM

http://ftpcontent.worldnow.com/kfmb/misc/corwin_autopsy_denial.pdf

Interestingly, there seems to be another "promise" at the end of this letter.

 

[Mrs. Gladden]

BBM

http://ftpcontent.worldnow.com/kfmb/misc/corwin_autopsy_denial.pdf

Interestingly, there seems to be another "promise" at the end of this letter.

I got hung up on "known to the killer(s) and accomplices"......uh, is that just legal terminology?

 

[stayhomemommy]

BBM

http://ftpcontent.worldnow.com/kfmb/misc/corwin_autopsy_denial.pdf

Interestingly, there seems to be another "promise" at the end of this letter.

Now they're saying they've sealed it; so does that mean they're breaking their promise again, or am I reading that incorrectly?

 

[SweetyBee]

Look, I'm not talking about releasing the whole thing, just what is the cause of death? Was she pregnant?

Again, they may not know that yet, hence why there hasn't been a report to release. Also, keep this in mind, my understanding is that our state law doesn't consider a fetus under 7-8 weeks to be eligible for the fetal murder charge. If Erin was indeed pregnant, they may be relying on forensic labs for blood and tissue analysis to determine the fetal gestational age for the additional charge, if applicable. If she was very newly pregnant, under 7-8 weeks gestation, the same analysis would be needed of the remains to determine the age and if she was indeed pregnant at all. As for cause of death, I am sure that will come out before trial.

As for the rest of your questions regarding the tapes of calls, I have no opinion on it. Maybe, as another poster said, they were removed because there are other POI's in the case? I truly have no opinion on it and I am not privy to the tapes disposition. I'm sorry. Wish I could be of more help.

 

[stayhomemommy]

I got hung up on "known to the killer(s) and accomplices"......uh, is that just legal terminology?

Ah! I missed that. Maybe that's it. Maybe they need something with which to hang NL?

 

[77DarkHorse7]

Wish I could be of more help.

Alright just to liven things up(lighten the mood, don't get any ideas), you didn't happen to come across any stolen "communiques" that were all set to be leaked by anyone did you? LOL (we really do need that quomma) :drumroll:

 

[SweetyBee]

Alright just to liven things up, you didn't happen to come across any stolen "communiques" that were all set to be leaked by anyone did you? LOL (we really do need that quomma) :drumroll:

Cant say I have.... LOL!

 

[nikb]

Anyway, motive does not need to be proven, and I think LE has enough either way. They did not need to arrest him when Erin was found...sometimes an arrest comes much later, even with a POI all along, in facts lot of times. But they were ready with their evidence, Imo. And whether or not they can "prove" motive, I think it will be made clear in court what happened and why.

I sure hope you're right!

 

[Frigga]

Small world- Doug Billings went to High School with my first boyfriend and many of my High School friends (I went to Costa Mesa and he went to Newport Harbor). I live in Long Beach not far from his families hardware store on 2nd street in Belmont Shore- I never knew he owned it now!

 

[77DarkHorse7]

Anyway, motive does not need to be proven, and I think LE has enough either way. They did not need to arrest him when Erin was found...sometimes an arrest comes much later, even with a POI all along, in facts lot of times. But they were ready with their evidence, Imo. And whether or not they can "prove" motive, I think it will be made clear in court what happened and why.

Well, I really hope they have motive evidence though. Though they don't technically need it to prove guilt, jurors expect it. Worse still is that it's a pillar of the investigative triad. Means, Motive, and Opportunity the three elements of a crime. If they haven't established motive in the investigation, then it may bring into question the other elements and whether they are proven adequately. (As I said before, MO should B #4 but that's MOO)