GUILTY CA - Erin Corwin, 19, pregnant, Twentynine Palms, 28 June 2014 - #11

[tvscum]

I was always under the impressing that it was the spouse's CHOICE whether or not they wanted to testify. But if they wanted to, they could!? But couldn't be forced to.


This law is freaking CRAZY!

You are correct. If NL is married it is her choice whether she does or does NOT take the stand.

 

[moonbeams]

You are correct. If NL is married it is her choice whether she does or does NOT to take the stand.

If it's that simple, what has everyone been arguing about the last 20 pages? lol!?

 

[tvscum]

If it's that simple, what has everyone been arguing about the last 20 pages? lol!?

Well, I think it all started with 'what would happen if she got divorced?' and IMO it would be a big disadvantage to CL if she got divorced before the trial. That is, if there is a trial.

 

[Voice4theSilent]

Jmo I do not really think the military figured much into CL's motive, just the idea of his family and home life being wrecked, all due to Erin (in his mind). Whether baby was his or not, whether she was even pregnant or not, Imo, he believed she was and that she was behaving in a way that threatened his plans for the future. He could never be sure she was not not going to pop up some years down the line, i.e if she and JC split up, and ask for support. And he may have sworn to his wife that he had never been with Erin after Jan. or Feb, whenever she initially discovered the affair. So he would have that to deal with as well.

I really think he never expected Erin to be found and that at least some people would believe she had run off, or killed herself in despair. And truly, LE may not have gone ahead with murder charges if she hadn't been found. So he probably thought he had a good chance of never being charged. Maybe NL suspected something as soon as she heard about Erin being missing, which was likely before official word was out to the public, and he told her "no body, no crime" so she repeated it. She may have heard rumors as early as late Sat. that Erin could not be found.

All Jmo obviously

Completely agree (and could not have said it better myself!)

 

[klily444]

I noticed that on the second mine photo (with the guy walking on the board) but I wonder if that's true for the first pic in the article too, where they're showing someone being lowered into a mine. This one:

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I must say after seeing this pic and others of mines in the area holy cow those are scary. Seems like it would be SO EASY to accidentally fall into one if it wasn't sealed/covered. I assume based on LE's comments they must have evidence it was more than 'just' a fall. Which makes me think again that CL is really not that bright... or SUPER cocky (I'll get away with it!)... or maybe (I can hope right?) he didn't want Erin to suffer? He could've easily made it look like they went out there together for some sort of tryst and she accidentally fell. She still would've died, sadly, although I bet she would have suffered quite a bit.

Sure he would've had to admit to going somewhere with Erin but it would have been a lot harder to bring charges of murder and "lying in wait" if he just came out and said "we went out there together for one last fling before I moved to Alaska, and she slipped and fell." He could even tack on "I didn't come forward right away because I didn't want my wife/her husband to know." He still would've been in trouble with both LE and his wife, but IMO it wouldn't have been that hard to pass the whole thing off as an accident. I'm assuming they must have something that shows it was more than 'just' an accidental fall. ugh. I'm not even sure I want to know.

Luckily CL would have a hard time saying that she accidentally fell down the mine....thanks to the tires and rebar!

 

[tvscum]

Jmo I do not really think the military figured much into CL's motive, just the idea of his family and home life being wrecked, all due to Erin (in his mind). Whether baby was his or not, whether she was even pregnant or not, Imo, he believed she was and that she was behaving in a way that threatened his plans for the future. He could never be sure she was not not going to pop up some years down the line, i.e if she and JC split up, and ask for support. And he may have sworn to his wife that he had never been with Erin after Jan. or Feb, whenever she initially discovered the affair. So he would have that to deal with as well.

I really think he never expected Erin to be found and that at least some people would believe she had run off, or killed herself in despair. And truly, LE may not have gone ahead with murder charges if she hadn't been found. So he probably thought he had a good chance of never being charged. Maybe NL suspected something as soon as she heard about Erin being missing, which was likely before official word was out to the public, and he told her "no body, no crime" so she repeated it. She may have heard rumors as early as late Sat. that Erin could not be found.

All Jmo obviously

Very well put. :goodpost: And I also think on this second time around with the affair, they were both being extra careful with their texts (or not texting each other at all), and they had a routine of both driving off base individually and meeting up at Ranch Rd. and going off to very remote areas to shoot guns or whatever. And, I think CL got pretty comfortable with the routine and he was confident that nobody knew what they were doing. He probably thought, 'Hey, all they have is me driving off base all by myself.' And, he stupidly thought he could just deny the affair. But, my God, how could anybody ignore computer footprints and cell phone forensics in this day and age? IMO, EC thought she was in love with him, which explains why she would blindly go with him into the desert (probably on multiple occasions).

 

[cluciano63]

While LE surely would have heard rumors about the affair anyway, Imo the texting with friend in TN is what solidified that it had been resumed (or maybe never stopped at all). Not sure if LE could have subpoenaed his phone records based only on rumors of a past affair, but with texts on Erin's friend's phone, it becomes a whole different matter. CL definitely did not think of that, just as the Moorers did not think Heather would be in touch with a friend at 2-3am, telling them that CM was in touch. Jmo

 

[nikb]

Luckily CL would have a hard time saying that she accidentally fell down the mine....thanks to the tires and rebar!

Exactly! Between that and whatever injuries she had, it sounds like they've got him. I can't get over how completely stupid that was when it could have been explained away as an accident. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad! It's just hard to even believe.

 

[tvscum]

I was just reading this article for the 2nd time, and this just jumped out at me! This is HUGE guys!!!

CL's alibi for the day is he went hunting.

Christopher Brandon Lee also asked a witness about the best way to dispose of a body and told investigators he was collecting tires the morning Corwin disappeared. A tire also was found at the mine shaft.

Who is this witness???

http://www.desertsun.com/story/news...opher-lee-murder-charge-erin-corwin/14294995/

What if that witness is NL? Theoretically, that statement could never be entered into evidence if she refused to take the stand.
JMO

 

[klily444]

Remember when she first went missing, we all kept saying how we could never believe a pregnant woman who just miscarried would be out taking pictures in JTNP in 110 degree weather (or hiking, or biking, or whatever else was reported). Now, come to find out, the plan was to go HUNTING in temperatures above 100 degrees in the middle of the day for several hours. I think she trusted CL, and would go along with whatever he suggested because she was smitten. No way do I believe anyone would choose to spend a romantic, celebratory day hunting in the desert heat. It was too hot for even the rescuers. I think whatever happened, happened very soon after they got out of the car.

 

[Knox]

I think NL is a narcissist and although it's apparent that the town chatterbox is just that, NL felt she was "special" to IM and IM would never betray HER trust. This line of thinking is also what would push someone to do something irrational to someone who has snubbed, rejected, or betrayed a narcissist.

I've sprained my ankle jumping up and down on my fence. I just cannot make up my mind about Nichole. I wish she would make a statement so I could see and hear her speak. For that matter, Chris too.

 

[klily444]

Exactly! Between that and whatever injuries she had, it sounds like they've got him. I can't get over how completely stupid that was when it could have been explained away as an accident. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad! It's just hard to even believe.

ITA! And I wouldn't be surprised if he tried to say she slipped and he was trying to save her with the tires and rebar, as ridiculous as that sounds. It's hard to speculate though, when we have so little to go on as to what occurred at the mine.

 

[cluciano63]

What if that witness is NL? Theoretically, that statement could never be entered into evidence if she refused to take the stand.
JMO

But the online searches would be there.

 

[Voice4theSilent]

For what it is worth, I don't think that the actual mine she was found in has been identified nor has a photo of the actual mine been published in MSM. Most of the photos that have been included in articles regarding Erin are personal photos taken by, and of, some of the specialized searchers (taken from searches weeks before she was found....meaning they were of mines she was not found in.) I am confident, from everything that has been reported by LE, that she was found somewhere in the Dale Mining District, very close to the mines which have been depicted in photographs in MSM. I am very interested in knowing which one it was.

 

[tvscum]

For what it is worth, I don't think that the actual mine she was found in has been identified nor has a photo of the actual mine been published in MSM. Most of the photos that have been included in articles regarding Erin are personal photos taken by, and of, some of the specialized searchers (taken from searches weeks before she was found....meaning they were of mines she was not found in.) I am confident, from everything that has been reported by LE, that she was found somewhere in the Dale Mining District, very close to the mines which have been depicted in photographs in MSM. I am very interested in knowing which one it was.

IMO you are absolutely correct. The "Rose of Peru Mining District" named in the DA's arrest warrant doesn't even exist. There is a Rose of Peru mine, but the district for that entire area is Dale Mining District.

 

[vallie]

My opinion: The affair was supposed to be over, so the continuance of the affair would be yet another betrayal to NL. Also, I don't think she could deal with THEIR money being paid to HER (EC) for 18 years, and another child out there that was created while they were married. She would be too angry for that relationship to last.

i agree about the additional betrayal ,, but im confused about the child support, wouldn't JC be, as her husband, the assumed ( in the eyes of the military ) father and JC would get the extra benefits for the baby? you can't collect child support from 2 fathers for 1 baby, correct? Anyway, that's where i'm confused about the child support being a motive. I can only imagine this being NL & CL's concern ONLY if CL knew EC would divorce JC.. any thoughts?

 

[Seajay]

I have been reading and I have a question. Do we know if Erin was "in love" with CL? I've seen it stated as fact that she was in love with him. I never saw anything that said she definitively was. Did she text her TN friend that she was in love with him? Just wondering.

 

[cluciano63]

i agree about the additional betrayal ,, but im confused about the child support, wouldn't JC be, as her husband, the assumed ( in the eyes of the military ) father and JC would get the extra benefits for the baby? you can't collect child support from 2 fathers for 1 baby, correct? Anyway, that's where i'm confused about the child support being a motive. I can only imagine this being NL & CL's concern ONLY if CL knew EC would divorce JC.. any thoughts?

I can't imagine they would know about the law regarding child support. It does not apply to every state, as far as I know? I never knew about until WS. In a lot of ways, it does not make sense to me, though I guess the intent is to make sure the child is cared for financially and to try to keep families intact. But I would think lots of marriages do not withstand an affair, law or no law.

Maybe child support was in his mind...maybe it was a determination to not let his wife, family etc find out about his "lapse" in morals, or a combo of both. But I doubt he was informed as to the spousal laws. In Alaska, a court case to prove paternity can negate the law that the child is presumed to be the husband's. Jmo

http://courts.alaska.gov/shcpaternity.htm#husband

 

[Voice4theSilent]

i agree about the additional betrayal ,, but im confused about the child support, wouldn't JC be, as her husband, the assumed ( in the eyes of the military ) father and JC would get the extra benefits for the baby? you can't collect child support from 2 fathers for 1 baby, correct? Anyway, that's where i'm confused about the child support being a motive. I can only imagine this being NL & CL's concern ONLY if CL knew EC would divorce JC.. any thoughts?

This is only my opinion but I seriously doubt that a 19 year old who had an ongoing affair with her neighbor and a good friend of her husband's would remain in a marriage if she wasn't happy in that marriage, especially to raise another man's baby. I don't know anything other than what we all have read in MSM about JC & EC's relationship and marriage but based on what we do know....they hadn't been married very long, hadn't been living together very long, she had already been caught having an affair (and even THAT wasn't enough for her to stop seeing CL), and the day she went missing she lied to her husband about where she was going and why and, after he told her he loved her, walked out the door, got in her car and went to meet her lover.

I think she was very smitten with CL. More accurately, I think she was head over heals for him and would have done anything for him (including braving the heat of the day out in the desert just to spend time with him alone), and I think that CL knew it, too. Once she was pregnant with (what he thought) his child he had to figure out a way to fix the problem and make it go away. I think that the $$ for another child, etc. would have figured into it if he had put that much thought into it, but I think the main motivation behind his actions that day were people (NL) finding out and ruining the life that he had built.

I don't want anyone to misconstrue anything above as victim bashing. I honestly don't care that she had an affair. It doesn't make me think any less of her or even make me raise an eyebrow. She was young. She had no children. Should she have done things differently (like divorce her husband, moving home, and not mess around with a married man?) Of course! Do I care that she didn't? Absolutely not.

 

[roadrunnermt]

:yeahthat:

I think perhaps they moved in together as a couple in 2006 thus her FB date. Then preggo and/or military happened forcingthem to want it legal to obtain the military benefits for 2008 which I assume matches child DOB and USMC join date.