GUILTY CA - Erin Corwin, 19, pregnant, Twentynine Palms, 28 June 2014 - #11

[maskedwoman]

Another thing to think about is the possibility that the question never happened. Not saying the police lied, however, the "witness" might be trying to insert themselves in to a high profile case by stating CL asked him the question.

Then I think that person could be looking at an obstruction of justice charge for making that up. So, I will have to say that I not only wouldn't want to know that person, I wouldn't want to BE that person.

 

[77DarkHorse7]

I find it very disrespectful to refer to the victim, Erin, as "stupid". Naive perhaps but not stupid. JMO

What I said was, since she isn't stupid, then we must assume she thought it was JC's baby.

 

[maskedwoman]

Or thought everyone else would assume it was JC's?

Exactly. If someone I knew casually told me they were pregnant, I would certainly assume her husband to be the baby's father. Unless, of course, I knew the person was having an affair. Since I don't think we've heard anything to suggest people at the Ranch knew anything about the affair, EC and JC would be just another young married couple who are expecting their first baby. IMO

 

[77DarkHorse7]

Exactly. If someone I knew casually told me they were pregnant, I would certainly assume her husband to be the baby's father. Unless, of course, I knew the person was having an affair. Since I don't think we've heard anything to suggest people at the Ranch knew anything about the affair, EC and JC would be just another young married couple who are expecting their first baby. IMO

Yes. Except that Nichole knew they were having an affair. And prego news on the ranch would undoubtedly wind up in Nichole's ear.

 

[stayhomemommy]

Yes. Except that Nichole knew they were having an affair. And prego news on the ranch would undoubtedly wind up in Nichole's ear.

Even if NL knew CL and EC had previously had an affair, she might not have known it continued (or started-up again).

 

[la2cabo]

Even if NL knew CL and EC had previously had an affair, she might not have known it continued (or started-up again).

I thought I had read somewhere that the spouses thought the affair had ended.

 

[Bernina]

From what my Navy Ret. friend told me from the beginning, I have to agree with you. Only high ranking personnel, who could use their position to their advantage in an affair are usually on the military's radar for bring brought up on charges. A Corporal in the Marines, probably not. IMO

I don't think there would be charges, his "Honorable Discharge" would be revisited. Adultery is one thing, have seen that situation totally ignored (nephew in-law), but if you have a child, that CAN be an issue if someone really wants to pursue it. IMO.

 

[Bernina]

i agree about the additional betrayal ,, but im confused about the child support, wouldn't JC be, as her husband, the assumed ( in the eyes of the military ) father and JC would get the extra benefits for the baby? you can't collect child support from 2 fathers for 1 baby, correct? Anyway, that's where i'm confused about the child support being a motive. I can only imagine this being NL & CL's concern ONLY if CL knew EC would divorce JC.. any thoughts?

It would depend on who's name was listed as the father on the birth certificate as far as "child support", but if JC and EC remained married, the military would give benefits to the child as a dependent of JC's even if CL was listed as the bio dad. Child would be considered a "step child" to JC.

 

[la2cabo]

It would depend on who's name was listed as the father on the birth certificate as far as "child support", but if JC and EC remained married, the military would give benefits to the child as a dependent of JC's even if CL was listed as the bio dad. Child would be considered a "step child" to JC.

In the State of CA Jon's name would automatically be on the birth certificate as the father as they were married.

 

[Lovejac]

Wonder how long until they release cause of death?

 

[Bernina]

I think we can all agree that early 20 something year olds can believe they are "adults", "intelligent" and "mature", but some are incredibly naive.
From what has been reported by MSM and disclosed by LE: EC, CL, NL and even IM (who is far from being in her 20's) haven't used the best judgement or dealt with this situation with any type of maturity or integrity.

Who has a sexual relationship with a friend's spouse (JC and CL were friends, NL and EC were friends), who lives practically next door, in a close knit community (the Military and horse rescue), without using protection (pregnancy), and thinks they're not going to be found out? And they've already been busted once?
Sounds like quite a few people didn't have their brains firing on all cylinders.

 

[Dmacky]

I agree with everything you've said clu. Another thing that sticks in my head is CL telling LE that he only kissed Erin. This might be the same story he gave NL and obviously Erin being pregnant would blow that out of the water. Duh! He's so dumb!

But, when CL was first approached by LE about Erin, he said they were casual acquaintances, and he hadn't seen EC in a couple of months. His answer only changed to he had only kissed her AFTER LE had the texts information from Tennessee.

 

[Bernina]

In the State of CA Jon's name would automatically be on the birth certificate as the father as they were married.

My bad. In AZ, the mother usually writes in the name of the Bio dad on the birth certificate application at the hospital.

 

[la2cabo]

But, when CL was first approached by LE about Erin, he said they were casual acquaintances, and he hadn't seen EC in a couple of months. His answer only changed to he had only kissed her AFTER LE had the texts information from Tennessee.

Exactly! I think he was trying to feed LE the same line of BS that he tried feeding NL.

 

[la2cabo]

My bad. In AZ, the mother usually writes in the name of the Bio dad on the birth certificate application at the hospital.

That's how it is in CA as well. If I remember correctly the father has to sign the birth certificate as well otherwise the mom can put any name in the box.. As I stated in an earlier post, CA assumes the husband is the father unless proven otherwise. Another one of those weird Cali laws. Go figure

 

[rose222]

Since NL is named in all other areas of the document, I think the "witness" must be someone else. Plus, I can't imagine why he would seriously think his wife, a stay at home mother, would know anything about the best way to dispose of a body. My first thought was that surely even the dumbest criminal would pose a question like that to someone they thought had at least some small chance of having the information they needed. Then I ran smack into the wall of who on earth would know that answer to that question? I can't begin to imagine. I just don't want to know that person. :hills:

I agree with everything you've said clu. Another thing that sticks in my head is CL telling LE that he only kissed Erin. This might be the same story he gave NL and obviously Erin being pregnant would blow that out of the water. Duh! He's so dumb!

This post made me laugh. I don't believe that the 'witness' is Nicole but I CAN imagine Chris being dumb enough to ask his own wife about the best way to dispose a body. :crazy:
He admits to conducting those searches but tells LE that he has only kissed Erin. :doh:

 

[rose222]

I have been reading and I have a question. Do we know if Erin was "in love" with CL? I've seen it stated as fact that she was in love with him. I never saw anything that said she definitively was. Did she text her TN friend that she was in love with him? Just wondering.

I just assumed she was 'in love' with CL. Actually, I don't know about it being 'love' but she had such strong feelings for him that she continued to see him after being caught (risking her marriage for the second time) and seemed excited at the idea of celebrating her pregnancy with him. And, although this is heart breaking to write, she trusted him so completely on that last day of her life. To say she was naïve would be an understatement. What did a shy, naïve, animal loving girl see in that brute!?

 

[vallie]

I do not think we know for sure how JC learned that Erin was pregnant?

it was in the statement of probable cause, i'm guessing Jon told the cops she was 3 weeks pregnant,,, http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/1225468-1765-001.html This shows 3 weeks after fathers day, so figure that what he was going by

pg 10,,, snipped for space: Erin was supposed to return in the
evening of 062814. in the afternoon of 062814, Jonathan telephoned Erin but he could. not reach her. Erin is
three weeks pregnant and does not have any medical or mental issues.

 

[Seajay]

I just assumed she was 'in love' with CL. Actually, I don't know about it being 'love' but she had such strong feelings for him that she continued to see him after being caught (risking her marriage for the second time) and seemed excited at the idea of celebrating her pregnancy with him. And, although this is heart breaking to write, she trusted him so completely on that last day of her life. To say she was naïve would be an understatement. What did a shy, naïve, animal loving girl see in that brute!?

Couldn't it have just been about the sex? Maybe the sex was phenomenal and she was hooked on that? Sex and love don't necessarily go together with some couples. (I hope I don't get sent to my room again for this.) I'm not bashing the victim, honest.

 

[Twistinginthewind]

Luckily CL would have a hard time saying that she accidentally fell down the mine....thanks to the tires and rebar!

In this article, it says that spent bullet casings were also found in the mine shaft that matched the ones they found in CL's jeep, so with at least 3 pieces of evidence in the mine shaft with Erin's body that can be connected to him doing her harm, an accidental fall would be pretty far fetched. A creep in a jeep, lying in wait. blech!!

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/08/26/erin-corwin-husband-jon--closure/14606791/