GUILTY CA - Erin Corwin, 19, pregnant, Twentynine Palms, 28 June 2014 - #12

[RSC]

Read a little further, where it says after the warrant they asked her AGAIN about the .22

Same day, different conversation,

Statement of Probable Cause:
While investigating the missing person, Deputy Mackewen made contact with the Corwin's next door neighbor,
Christopher Lee. Lee denied knowing much about Erin and said he and his wife only knew her as an
acquaintance. The last time Lee spoke to Erin was approximately two months ago. Lee told Deputy Mackewen
he last saw Erin a week ago but they did not speak to each other.

Lee was re-contacted by Deputies Mackewen and Millian. Lee later admitted he became a close friend of Erin.
He said they had previously kissed each other but never had sexual intercourse with Erin. Lee stated his wife
knew he and Erin were becoming too close.

No mention was made of NL (except when CL mentioned her) until this: On 07.01.14.. Homicide Detectives spoke to Lee and his wife Nicole. Nicole was asked about firearms owned by Lee. Nicole told detectives the firearms were kept inside their home in a closet. Nicole described one of the firearms as a .22 caliber rifle.

I may be reading all of this wrong, but it seems to me that July 1 was the first time they interviewed NL, and that's when she told them about the .22.

 

[Mrs. Gladden]

Read a little further, where it says after the warrant they asked her AGAIN about the .22

Same day, different conversation,

Correct.......
On 07.01.14.. Homicide Detectives spoke to Lee and his wife Nicole. Nicole was asked about firearms owned by Lee. Nicole told detectives the firearms were kept inside their home in a closet. Nicole described one of the firearms as a .22 caliber rifle.

After the search warrant. Nicole was interviewed again about the whereabouts of the .22 caliber rifle she said
was in her residence. During this interview she told detectives Lee took the rifle from his Jeep Cherokee and
took it to the "ranch".

Detectives were accompanied by Nicole to this location. Nicole spoke with IM, (IM is the owner
of 733 Geronimo Trail and 788 Geronimo Trail) about being there to get a rifle. IM then consented for
detectives to enter and retrieve the rifle from a closet in the back of the residence.

 

[tvscum]

No, .22 and .40 are not the same, the .40 is larger and does far more damage.

She was specific and gave up the gun info because she was CONFIDENT the body was never going to be found, no body, no case, in my opinion anyway.

Along with that, the statement (per IM) "Nicole stated she was able to keep her story straight and the detectives did not get any information from her" made me wonder whether or not the whole .22 thing even mattered.

If you were going to kill someone, you would use the .40 caliber gun (handgun?) and you would use the .22 caliber rifle to target shoot. IMO, NL gave up the .22 caliber because it did not matter. It is much safer to assume that the MISSING .40 caliber weapon is the actual murder weapon. That's why he got rid of it, right? The .22 caliber casings inside his Jeep and found at the scene may have been from target shooting. Heck, I can even see CL handing EC the rifle and letting her target shoot, as he pulls out the .40 caliber and does the deed.

JMO.

 

[RSC]

That is helpful, thanks.
I know little about guns. This theory at least makes me think EC did not see it coming, and hopefully never knew.

If you were going to kill someone, you would use the .40 caliber gun (handgun?) and you would use the .22 caliber rifle to target shoot. IMO, NL gave up the .22 caliber because it did not matter. It is much safer to assume that the MISSING .40 caliber weapon is the actual murder weapon. That's why he got rid of it, right? The .22 caliber casings inside his Jeep and found at the scene may have been from target shooting. Heck, I can even see CL handing EC the rifle and letting her target shoot, as he pulls out the .40 caliber and does the deed.

JMO.

 

[eddy]

If you were going to kill someone, you would use the .40 caliber gun (handgun?) and you would use the .22 caliber rifle to target shoot. IMO, NL gave up the .22 caliber because it did not matter. It is much safer to assume that the MISSING .40 caliber weapon is the actual murder weapon. That's why he got rid of it, right? The .22 caliber casings inside his Jeep and found at the scene may have been from target shooting. Heck, I can even see CL handing EC the rifle and letting her target shoot, as he pulls out the .40 caliber and does the deed.

JMO.

I totally agree with you. That's what I tried to say earlier today. She gave it up because she didn't think it was important.You said it so much better than I could. Thank you! (I have next to no knowledge of guns)

 

[klily444]

Heck, I can even see CL handing EC the rifle and letting her target shoot, as he pulls out the .40 caliber and does the deed.

JMO.

This made me think of something...The .22 DOES matter if Erin's DNA/prints are on it.

 

[nikb]

If you were going to kill someone, you would use the .40 caliber gun (handgun?) and you would use the .22 caliber rifle to target shoot. IMO, NL gave up the .22 caliber because it did not matter. It is much safer to assume that the MISSING .40 caliber weapon is the actual murder weapon. That's why he got rid of it, right? The .22 caliber casings inside his Jeep and found at the scene may have been from target shooting. Heck, I can even see CL handing EC the rifle and letting her target shoot, as he pulls out the .40 caliber and does the deed.

JMO.

I don't know a whole lot about weapons but I know the .40 caliber is more of a weapon you'd use to shoot someone and have it be quick while a .22 would be a smaller bullet, and (this part makes me sick) likely cause a slower death. I have always thought the .40 cal was likely the murder weapon, but they haven't said what the COD was yet.

 

[phantomthought]

You would think EC and CL would have talked about what they were going to tell their spouses as far as where they were going that day and they would not tell them they are going to the same place.Yet EC tells her husband she is going to JTNP and when CL is originally questioned by LE he tells them he was at JTNP.Something is not right with that.

 

[nikb]

You would think EC and CL would have talked about what they were going to tell their spouses as far as where they were going that day and they would not tell them they are going to the same place.Yet EC tells her husband she is going to JTNP and when CL is originally questioned by LE he tells them he was at JTNP.Something is not right with that.

Maybe this is where CL was not keeping his stories straight?

 

[rose222]

If you were going to kill someone, you would use the .40 caliber gun (handgun?) and you would use the .22 caliber rifle to target shoot. IMO, NL gave up the .22 caliber because it did not matter. It is much safer to assume that the MISSING .40 caliber weapon is the actual murder weapon. That's why he got rid of it, right? The .22 caliber casings inside his Jeep and found at the scene may have been from target shooting. Heck, I can even see CL handing EC the rifle and letting her target shoot, as he pulls out the .40 caliber and does the deed.

JMO.

I totally agree with you. That's what I tried to say earlier today. She gave it up because she didn't think it was important.You said it so much better than I could. Thank you! (I have next to no knowledge of guns)

I agree as well. I believe that she was trying to divert attention away from the real murder weapon. There was a calculated strategy at work there.

 

[Dmacky]

Thanks for the reply. FYI--your font choice is really hard to read. Perhaps it would be better to just bold regular font.

We know that spent .22 bullets were found both at the crime scene and in CL's jeep. That makes it pretty important, even if it wasn't used for the actual murder.

I agree that the .22 would have been registered, and LE would have known that. But NL telling LE that CL removed it from his Jeep and took it to the ranch, then going with LE to find it in a particular closet in "the ranch" where the gun was stored--that seems odd to me.

Why was she so specific? At the very least, why would she not have just said "oh, it must be at the ranch where we are moving our stuff..."? Why specifically tell them CL moved it from the Jeep to the ranch?

Why? Because NL has integrity :wink: 4 pages worth :lol:

 

[Voice4theSilent]

I just can't bring myself to implicate NL solely based on IM's statement when it is clear that IM either lied to the police or the public.

It still doesn't make sense to me. Even if there was never going to be a body found, then again, why does she specifically say CL took it out of his Jeep? That is the detail that bothers me the most.

BBM

Because she was asked? I don't see any significance in her statement to LE only because LE was obviously focused on this weapon and it's whereabouts and were questioning her about it. What was included in the online documents we have access to were simply some of her responses to those questions. (example: "When was the last time you saw the weapon and with whom?....."I saw my husband take it out of his jeep." "Did he tell you where he put it?" " He said he brought it to the Ranch so it was secure from our daughter."....etc.)

Also, I think the reason he didn't dispose of the weapon is that he probably had it registered, the military probably was aware he had it on base, he had more than likely taken it out with friends before who could easily tell LE about it, even people at the Ranch were aware of it, etc. I think he was fairly certain LE wouldn't find Erin and it would be very difficult to explain away to LE, if asked, how his weapon went missing and why he never filed a report that it was missing.

 

[Bernina]

continuing the O/T that I've been wanting to ask FOREVER! but some threads show the "view last post" at the top, and some do not. Does anyone know what is the reason for showing/not showing for that?

TIA

Usually because there's so many pages listed before it goes "1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 ........Last". When I just got on, it listed 1 through 8, so there was no reason to put "Last" in the mix because there aren't that many pages. I also have my page setting at the max amount of posts per page.

 

[klily444]

Usually because there's so many pages listed before it goes "1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 ........Last". When I just got on, it listed 1 through 8, so there was no reason to put "Last" in the mix because there aren't that many pages. I also have my page setting at the max amount of posts per page.

Bernina, I'm appointing you as our Chief Technical Officer.

 

[Dmacky]

You would think EC and CL would have talked about what they were going to tell their spouses as far as where they were going that day and they would not tell them they are going to the same place.Yet EC tells her husband she is going to JTNP and when CL is originally questioned by LE he tells them he was at JTNP.Something is not right with that.

That also stood out to me very early on in this case. I don't think CL had a clue as where Erin had told Jon she was going. If someone is having an affair, you would NEVER tell your spouse where you're really "meeting up."

This leads me believe that Erin really did go there that morning when she left at 7am. I believe she did take pictures, for her mom's visit. And she could show them to Jon as proof. The reason I think this is because of the camera's they have at the entrance of the park, and *LE DID SEARCH the park quite extensively* until they were able to decipher CL's computer searches.

Erin said she would be home at around 4, if I'm not mistaken. She could have also said she had some errands to run afterwards. I truly believe that her and CL had plans to meet up that fateful day at 10:00am. And that it was in fact Erin that got into the "red car" with CL who was using that car as a camouflage (hiding the fact that HE was seen picking her up) and they then drove to get his Jeep. This was all premeditated ~ IMO

CL could have actually gone to JTNP afterwards, to get on "camera." And that's why he told LE that's where he was. So IMO, he probably didn't know that was where Erin said she was going.

Erin unknowingly gave LE the who, what, when and where of that very sad heartbreaking day This is all my opinion of course....And I rest my case :gavel:

 

[Bernina]

If you were going to kill someone, you would use the .40 caliber gun (handgun?) and you would use the .22 caliber rifle to target shoot. IMO, NL gave up the .22 caliber because it did not matter. It is much safer to assume that the MISSING .40 caliber weapon is the actual murder weapon. That's why he got rid of it, right? The .22 caliber casings inside his Jeep and found at the scene may have been from target shooting. Heck, I can even see CL handing EC the rifle and letting her target shoot, as he pulls out the .40 caliber and does the deed.

JMO.

The .40 firearm could be in the sealed warrants........

That's a pretty cold blooded scenario, but it makes sense. I think we all got wrapped up in the .22 and it's components because it was all through the Probable Cause and Warrants.

The autopsy should shed some light on the firearm.......hopefully. Begs the question "was she just pushed down the mine?" That would be even more horrific.

 

[Bernina]

Bernina, I'm appointing you as our Chief Technical Officer.

:gaah:


JOKING!!!!! :floorlaugh:

 

[atthelake]

Usually because there's so many pages listed before it goes "1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 ........Last". When I just got on, it listed 1 through 8, so there was no reason to put "Last" in the mix because there aren't that many pages. I also have my page setting at the max amount of posts per page.

When I *enter* WS... I used the same link...which goes automatcially to my subscribed theads or threads that I have posted on. Dont' know if others do such e.g. http://www.websleuths.com/forums/subscription.php http://www.websleuths.com/forums/subscription.php Is that how most folks keep up with so many cases/forums?

Then I scroll down and open the last pages on each one that I want to see updates (hehehe that usually means about 8 open tabs which quickly turns into 15 and by the time I'm done I'm closing 25 at the end of a session iykwim. :gaah: ) Most threads are multiple pages, and I too have maximum amount of posts per page. Guess I'll just have to live with some threads have that *view last post read* and some don't at the top.

 

[Bernina]

So...........maybe the .22 was the proverbial "breadcrumbs".......follow the casings, gun, and ammo.......in the house, Jeep, Ranch, the site CL target shot, and possible prints, DNA, and possible gun powder residue on Erin from firing it.

It connects CL, Erin, and the crime scene. But not necessarily the cause of death.:thinking:

 

[Bernina]

When I *enter* WS... I used the same link...which goes automatcially to my subscribed theads or threads that I have posted on. Dont' know if others do such e.g. http://www.websleuths.com/forums/subscription.php http://www.websleuths.com/forums/subscription.php Is that how most folks keep up with so many cases/forums?

Then I scroll down and open the last pages on each one that I want to update (hehehe that usually means about 8 open tabs which quickly turns into 15 iykwim. Most threads are multiple pages, and I too have maximum amount of posts per page. Guess I'll just have to live with some threads have that *view last post read* and some don't at the top.

Um, I never log out when I close my browser so when I fire it up again, it goes straight to where I left off the previous day, all the same tabs are up.

I live dangerously!:happydance: