GUILTY CA - Erin Corwin, 19, pregnant, Twentynine Palms, 28 June 2014 - #13

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It will be interesting to see how the judge rules on the admissibility of these messages.Normally her friend would not be able to testify on what EC told her Lee had said.That would be hearsay.Her friend would have to actually hear lee say these things.In this case though you have the actual messages from EC who did hear Lee say these things.

The judge in the aaron Hernanadez case, who is very pro-defense, has allowed several important texts into the case. And they were also texts from the victim to a friend [ his sister]. A few were ruled out, as too prejudicial, but not all of them.
 
  • #142
Unfortunately, Hollywood has given the impression that suffocation/strangulation takes just seconds. Manual strangulation can take up to 7 minutes.

The horrific nature of this goes beyond the pale. I hope CL receives the death penalty, but that doesn't make it happen in California.

This was all such an unnecessary ending. CL could have just left to Alaska. It just makes you wonder how much NL knew or may have even participated in this situation. I just get the impression that she gave CL an ultimatum. Am I off base by thinking NL "wore the pants", so to speak?

BBM

I bet he would have if she had not told him about possibly being pregnant with HIS child. That is a very dangerous thing for a woman to do---tell a man she is pregnant by him. Look how many victims we see here that were pregnant when killed. It is disgusting and heartbreaking.

I have always warned my daughter about those kinds of situations. Sad to even have to think that way. :mad:
 
  • #143
Just from the little bit of evidence we know about, there is no way IMO that CL will ever spend even one day of his life a free man. How in the world would an attorney even begin to try and explain away the matching evidence found both inside the mine and inside his own car? Someone planted it there? In Alaska? When Erin was clearly going to meet CL (and only CL) to spend the day with him? And then he lied about knowing her? For how smart he thinks he is....he really is quite stupid!

BBM I hope you're right. Seems like there is plenty of evidence, but the prisons are so messed up in CA now that I worry.

I agree with you overall and I'm glad CL seems to be so cocky but not that smart. I think his cockiness is probably what got him busted. He failed in the whole coverup plan.. wish he'd failed in the plan to kill Erin too.
 
  • #144
You have to wonder how CL got into the Marines. What a twisted individual.

Oh Bernina, what a kidder. :laughing: A twisted person in the marines!?!? [Feigned Shock] NO! :eek:
 
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It will be interesting to see how the judge rules on the admissibility of these messages.Normally her friend would not be able to testify on what EC told her Lee had said.That would be hearsay.Her friend would have to actually hear lee say these things.In this case though you have the actual messages from EC who did hear Lee say these things.

First of all the hearsay rule only applies if the statement made is being used as evidence of guilt. Whether a statement having been said it is a crucial case element. It could easily come in to prove the state of mind of the victim. Was she coerced etc.

Secondly, hearsay almost never applies when the person who allegedly said something is a party to a case. He has the opportunity to challenge the evidence. And it nearly always comes in if it's a statement by the defendant against penal interest of the defendant. Your own words can convict you (see miranda warning).

Hearsay is designed to protect against evidence given by someone who isn't present and who's veracity cannot be checked by the jury. Since the same evidence can be either given by or challenged by the defendant if he so chooses, the jury is free to interpret his reaction, or lack thereof, to the evidence to determine the truthfulness of the statement.
 
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Oh Bernina, what a kidder. :laughing: A twisted person in the marines!?!? [Feigned Shock] NO! :eek:

Unfortunately there are sick and twisted people in every walk of life. The military does it's very best to vet out the wack jobs and not let them enlist but there are the few that do get past the system unfortunately.
 
  • #147
Oh Bernina, what a kidder. :laughing: A twisted person in the marines!?!? [Feigned Shock] NO! :eek:

LOL! No, seriously, I've known many Marines, married one, have a BIL that's one........they got twisted while they were in the Marines, no joke there, it was Viet Nam. But most got their stuff back together. Maybe CL was what they call a "War Dog".
 
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Just from the little bit of evidence we know about, there is no way IMO that CL will ever spend even one day of his life a free man. How in the world would an attorney even begin to try and explain away the matching evidence found both inside the mine and inside his own car? Someone planted it there? In Alaska? When Erin was clearly going to meet CL (and only CL) to spend the day with him? And then he lied about knowing her? For how smart he thinks he is....he really is quite stupid!

This ONLY applies to who could have planted evidence in his Jeep:

His wife, to frame him for the murder, out of revenge. Or the victim's husband. Same reason.

(I'm not saying she did it and I sure don't know how anyone could explain the logistics of her committing the murder without his assistance, but that's JMO.)
 
  • #149
LOL! No, seriously, I've known many Marines, married one, have a BIL that's one........they got twisted while they were in the Marines, no joke there, it was Viet Nam. But most got their stuff back together. Maybe CL was what they call a "War Dog".

I was going to say the same thing. War does something to people. Most marines enlist at just 18. The military builds their confidence to make them feel invincible so that they can face the enemy and not run.

I have seen my own ex come back bragging about how he could murder me and no one would ever suspect him. Well, needless to say I am not married to him anymore. But many men come home broken from what they have been through. And most of us could not defend our countries. So I won't put them down and I support our military one hundred percent.

However, when I read about CL bragging how he could hide a body, I knew he was guilty. What a sick, soulless human being to do or say those things.
 
  • #150
This ONLY applies to who could have planted evidence in his Jeep:

His wife, to frame him for the murder, out of revenge. Or the victim's husband. Same reason.

(I'm not saying she did it and I sure don't know how anyone could explain the logistics of her committing the murder without his assistance, but that's JMO.)

Oh wow!! So Jon flew to Alaska to frame CL? Oh my, you are really off center. No evidence was planted.
 
  • #151
I was going to say the same thing. War does something to people. Most marines enlist at just 18. The military builds their confidence to make them feel invincible so that they can face the enemy and not run.

I have seen my own ex come back bragging about how he could murder me and no one would ever suspect him. Well, needless to say I am not married to him anymore. But many men come home broken from what they have been through. And most of us could not defend our countries. So I won't put them down and I support our military one hundred percent.

However, when I read about CL bragging how he could hide a body, I knew he was guilty. What a sick, soulless human being to do or say those things.
Thank you for your comments
A lot of people don't realize the change that can happen and I've seen it a lot in my line of work. Its a hard truth that people don't often want to accept....and its not military bashing, but this is the hard reality of what happens to a lot of men and women who serve. Your comments are so true, spot-on, and elegantly spoken.
 
  • #152
Oh wow!! So Jon flew to Alaska to frame CL? Oh my, you are really off center. No evidence was planted.

Thank you for the dose of reality.

No one framed this guy and there isn't one bit of evidence that anyone did.

He wouldn't be the first man who murdered a lover who had become pregnant with his child. I don't think being a Marine had anything to do with it.... just like it didn't all the other times.... men in general .....have murdered for the some reason.

IMO
 
  • #153
Thank you for your comments
A lot of people don't realize the change that can happen and I've seen it a lot in my line of work. Its a hard truth that people don't often want to accept....and its not military bashing, but this is the hard reality of what happens to a lot of men and women who serve. Your comments are so true, spot-on, and elegantly spoken.

I actually think it is embellished.

Of course some will have problems when returning from the battlefield. That happens in all branches. Those are the ones who usually were battling the enemy face to face in hand to hand combat on foreign soil. But in the Marine Corps there are many many other MOSs where Marines serve in varying other important positions. Even some Marines think for someone to want to be in mortal hand to hand combat they have to have a screw loose. Those who do want it seem to thrive on high risks. But they do not represent the entire MC or any other branch they may serve in, imo. It takes hundreds even thousands of military positions to run any armed service branch.

And veterans whether they were in the Marines or another branch of service.... are known as some of the best dedicated, disciplined, honorable employees any employer can find. There are millions of honorable vets who come out and have high ranking civil service jobs or are hired by other employers and do it exemplary. Presidents and those in congress have been in the military with even Bush Sr flying missions during wartime. Being in the military does not make someone a killer of innocent people.

I don't think being a Marine had anything to do with him killing Erin. He was getting out of the Marine Corps and had a 6 year clean record until he murdered Erin.

This happened..... for the same reason it has happened before... when married men (most who were private citizens) murdered their lover who was pregnant.

Many more murders are committed by those who are private citizens than those who kill innocent others when they are in the military.

So I will never paint all Marines or any other service branch with the same wide brush. In fact those who are active military commit far less crimes than society at large.

IMO
 
  • #154
I actually think it is embellished.

Of course some will have problems when returning from the battlefield. That happens in all branches. Those are the ones who usually were battling the enemy face to face in hand to hand combat on foreign soil. But in the Marine Corps there are many many other MOSs where Marines serve in varying other important positions. Even some Marines think for someone to want to be in mortal hand to hand combat they have to have a screw loose. Those who do want it seem to thrive on high risks. But they do not represent the entire MC or any other branch they may serve in, imo. It takes hundreds even thousands of military positions to run any armed service branch.

And veterans whether they were in the Marines or another branch of service.... are known as some of the best dedicated, disciplined, honorable employees any employer can find. There are millions of honorable vets who come out and have high ranking civil service jobs or are hired by other employers and do it exemplary. Presidents and those in congress have been in the military with even Bush Sr flying missions during wartime. Being in the military does not make someone a killer of innocent people.

I don't think being a Marine had anything to do with him killing Erin. He was getting out of the Marine Corps and had a 6 year clean record until he murdered Erin.

This happened..... for the same reason it has happened before... when married men (most who were private citizens) murdered their lover who was pregnant.

Many more murders are committed by those who are private citizens than those who kill innocent others when they are in the military.

So I will never paint all Marines or any other service branch with the same wide brush. In fact those who are active military commit far less crimes than society at large.

IMO
In this case...debatable if this is the case, hard to say. My point was thanking CIN for her post on touching on something that is real and overall is not embellished. These major psych issues have happened and happen more than people think...but still not talked about because people fear being seen as anti-military. It isn't...its bringing issues to the front because these soldiers and their families need major support and help when they return from tours. Whether it bears on this case remains to be seen but I was thanking her for bringing up an issue that can and does happen with ones in the military. Nothing more.
 
  • #155
In this case...debatable if this is the case, hard to say. My point was thanking CIN for her post on touching on something that is real and overall is not embellished. These major psych issues have happened and happen more than people think...but still not talked about because people fear being seen as anti-military. It isn't...its bringing issues to the front because these soldiers and their families need major support and help when they return from tours. Whether it bears on this case remains to be seen but I was thanking her for bringing up an issue that can and does happen with ones in the military. Nothing more.

I was commenting on how CL ever got INTO the Marines in the first place. Not the brightest bulb in the bunch and definitely a loose cannon. I don't believe he murdered because he WAS a Marine, I think he was that way before he ever joined the military. No one, current or veteran military, brags about being able to hide a body. Or making toe poppers, or IED's. Unless they're a bit unstable or self absorbed.

I've seen how PTSD affects veterans, my BF of 11 years is 100% VA disabled with PTSD, among other things.

What CL did wasn't because of PTSD. Wasn't because he was in the military.

He's a cold blooded murderer and the garrote found in his Jeep when he was arrested in ALASKA makes me think he was planning on killing again.
 
  • #156
In this case...debatable if this is the case, hard to say. My point was thanking CIN for her post on touching on something that is real and overall is not embellished. These major psych issues have happened and happen more than people think...but still not talked about because people fear being seen as anti-military. It isn't...its bringing issues to the front because these soldiers and their families need major support and help when they return from tours. Whether it bears on this case remains to be seen but I was thanking her for bringing up an issue that can and does happen with ones in the military. Nothing more.

Usually those who are suffering with PTSD have been on the actual battlefield fighting or being shot at or having to deal with IUDs and bombs or medics/doctors who have to tend to the severely wounded.

I think everyone is aware of how PTSD affects many in our military. I don't know where you live but it is a very serious issue in my area concerning how the VA is treating its veterans when they return from the battlefield and discussed at length. There have been many changes made at our local VA clinics. I think more than ever before people are talking about it and care deeply about our true heroes. Soldiers and Marines are dying from suicides at an alarming rate or dying due to lack of physical and mental treatment by having to wait forever and ever to even get to see a doctor. That is totally unacceptable. I don't know anyone that shirks talking about it. It is one of the most disgraceful things that has ever happened in our country and to our veterans. There have been protests where I live due to the treatment or lack of to the ones who sacrifices the most for us. All of them are special and elite and we owe them the best care possible. Only 1% of the population will serve in the military that is how valued they are and should be. Now that the VA has been exposed I think it is very important to almost everyone in our country. FB goes night and day demanding justice for all of them. That includes treating them for mental issues as well as physical and in some cases both.

But even having PTSD, which imo he did not have...... it doesn't make someone into a murderer. Most who suffer from PTSD harm themselves.

What I meant by it being embellished or overblown is saying in the military they teach them how to kill so therefore that is why they murder and feel no remorse. We have over a million plus in our armed forces at any given time yet those in the military are far less likely to commit a violent crime than the public at large. If that was remotely true we would see many more violent crimes committed instead of less. No one in the public at large is taught to kill yet they are the ones who murder way more often than those in the military.

It is the individual mindset of the murderer that makes them a murder........not their occupation.

Imo, PTSD nor being a Marine had one thing to do with why Erin is dead. He stupidly murdered her thinking no one would find out he had impregnated another Marine's wife. That's why she is dead, imo and no other reason.

And he doesn't have a leg to stand on even if he trying to abuse the PTSD either. IMO

In every branch of service some slip under the radar.

When our son was in the Marine Corps he told me it wasn't the enemy he worried about (he knew who and where they were) but it was the loners and misfits that should never have been allowed to join in the first place that scared him the most.

Like every employer there will be some who shouldn't have ever been there. I think CL is one of those. It happens in the private sectors as well...even more so. IMO
 
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Do we know when CL's next court date is? Thanks in advance.
 
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From your link ((((((((truthbeknown))))))))
What if Erin Corwin had never been found?
Brett Kelman, The Desert Sun
1 hour ago
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Two prosecution experts said this week that High Desert law enforcement could have filed a strong case against homicide suspect Chris Lee even if authorities never found the body of Erin Corwin.

Tad DiBiase, a former Washington D.C prosecutor, and David Butt, a former Toronto prosecutor, both of whom have previously won "no-body" homicide cases, told The Desert Sun that the circumstantial evidence against Lee, amassed before Corwin's body was located, was likely enough for a difficult-yet-winnable prosecution.
(snip)
In the Corwin case, prosecutors could have presented a strong argument for murder by using some of Lee's statements against him, the experts said. When initially questioned by police, Lee allegedly denied knowing Corwin — a statement that was easily proven untrue — and admitted to researching how to dispose of a body.
"His admissions are damaging," DiBiase said. "The fact that he said, right away, that he didn't even know her is very suspicious. It is a very damning lie, and when you layer that on other things he said, I would consider it a strong case."
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