GUILTY CA - Erin Corwin, 19, pregnant, Twentynine Palms, 28 June 2014 - #14

[heartgoesout]

Was Lee asked about the sprite bottle, or the tires or tank he borrowed? Any other questioning about the evidence?

 

[ArianeEmory]

He says he was also distraught because he was never deployed...pffft

http://www.desertsun.com/story/news...topher-lee-murder-trial-erin-corwin/93118158/

Cry me a river, bro.

 

[Knox]

Was Lee asked about the sprite bottle, or the tires or tank he borrowed? Any other questioning about the evidence?

In earlier testimony Lee said he was trying to start a fire in the mine. This was before he killed Erin, he claimed she was sitting in the car listening to music. He was unsuccessful with the fire attempt.

On my phone and can't link, may someone else can supply.

 

[77DarkHorse7]

Kinda hard to start a fire if you don't even light your torch. http://z1077fm.com/woman-was-expecting-a-proposal-christopher-lee-held-to-answer/

 

[heartgoesout]

The more I think about it, I am very surprised Lee confessed. And midway through his trial?! I don't have statistics, but man, I feel like you never hear that happening.
What happened?!!? Where, why, did this confession come from? It happened so quickly I don't think I had a moment to digest it. The questions are starting to form now for me. The psychology of it all. Does he actually have a conscience? What is the motivation behind the confession? Is he mentally unstable? So many questions!

 

[77DarkHorse7]

He must have known that shell casings can be tracked. Each firing pin makes a unique mark on the casings. Why put them in the mine? Did he think there wasn't already enough to trace back to him? Talk about psychology. He's got to put more evidence in.

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[DexterMorgan]

The more I think about it, I am very surprised Lee confessed. And midway through his trial?! I don't have statistics, but man, I feel like you never hear that happening.
What happened?!!? Where, why, did this confession come from? It happened so quickly I don't think I had a moment to digest it. The questions are starting to form now for me. The psychology of it all. Does he actually have a conscience? What is the motivation behind the confession? Is he mentally unstable? So many questions!

That was definitely a Matlock moment right there. Lol

 

[heartgoesout]

I would love to hear Nichole's interview tapes. Part of me feels she must have contributed to this and then there's a stronger part of me now that feels bad that she was thrown into this. Without knowing her it is so hard to judge. Is she the mean spirited, nasty person, possible co-conspiritor that she's been made out to be or a victim herself?

I did have a thought...just because Chris said Nichole suspected the daughter was being abused by Erin months back does not make that a true statement! It's possible that conversation never even happened. I can't imagine a mother suspecting child abuse after supposedly seeing shades of it wouldn't immediately seize any and all contact if not confront Erin with it. So either that bath tub conversation never happened or it was played up for Chris's lie or delusional state of mind.

So if we look at that aspect of it... If Erin was the child's caregiver and Nichole saw what she thought was something questionable, of course the babysitter would be a first thought and a conversation with her husband. That would actually be a normal and understandable conversation for parents to have!! It certainly does not mean that anything happened but I would question a parent more if they didn't run down a list of people. If that conversation did happen it didn't have to be Nichole yelling and screaming that Erin absolutely hurt her child. It could have been a simple, I wonder if she wiped too hard normal question. (sorry I don't know how to write that)
Is Chris delusional? Is he mentally unstable that he wasn't able to separate reality from imagination? Was he schizophrenic that he slipped in and out of liking and hating Erin at the same time? Maybe Nichole realized the bath water was too hot or an explainable reason and was able to move on hence why the child wasn't taken to the doctor. But Chris, if he does have a mental illness, wasn't able to let it go? Maybe he even rekindled with Erin to set her up from that point on due to his hatred as he described?
Sorry, I'm just thinking out loud here. Trying to wrap my head around all this and make some sort of sense out of it all.

 

[katydid23]

Usually anyone is barred from having a proper defense/excuse when they are caught every which way of a malice and ruthless murder.

But not many will try and bring their own little daughter into the mix for a bs explanation of why.

So your client took the cowards way out by trying to bring his child into the fold.

But like you said. What else was he suppose to do?

Answer: Man up or at least leave his baby girl out of it.

I'm just glad that the lawyers decided to close. Jmo

BBM

I agree. What a relief that the lawyers decided to put a fork in this thing. I regained a bit of respect for them, for not dragging that poor child up on the stand.

 

[katydid23]

I would love to hear Nichole's interview tapes. Part of me feels she must have contributed to this and then there's a stronger part of me now that feels bad that she was thrown into this. Without knowing her it is so hard to judge. Is she the mean spirited, nasty person, possible co-conspiritor that she's been made out to be or a victim herself?

I did have a thought...just because Chris said Nichole suspected the daughter was being abused by Erin months back does not make that a true statement! It's possible that conversation never even happened. I can't imagine a mother suspecting child abuse after supposedly seeing shades of it wouldn't immediately seize any and all contact if not confront Erin with it. So either that bath tub conversation never happened or it was played up for Chris's lie or delusional state of mind.

So if we look at that aspect of it... If Erin was the child's caregiver and Nichole saw what she thought was something questionable, of course the babysitter would be a first thought and a conversation with her husband. That would actually be a normal and understandable conversation for parents to have!! It certainly does not mean that anything happened but I would question a parent more if they didn't run down a list of people. If that conversation did happen it didn't have to be Nichole yelling and screaming that Erin absolutely hurt her child. It could have been a simple, I wonder if she wiped too hard normal question. (sorry I don't know how to write that)
Is Chris delusional? Is he mentally unstable that he wasn't able to separate reality from imagination? Was he schizophrenic that he slipped in and out of liking and hating Erin at the same time? Maybe Nichole realized the bath water was too hot or an explainable reason and was able to move on hence why the child wasn't taken to the doctor. But Chris, if he does have a mental illness, wasn't able to let it go? Maybe he even rekindled with Erin to set her up from that point on due to his hatred as he described?
Sorry, I'm just thinking out loud here. Trying to wrap my head around all this and make some sort of sense out of it all.

I don't think there ever was a question of the child being abused. Nichole seems like the kind of Mama Bear that would have gone right to the doctor to check it out if there was ever a question. And if so, she would have confronted any possible perps, imo.

If that story had even a shred of truth, then the attorneys would have put Nichole on the stand to try and save their client from himself. But I don't think Nichole wanted to get up there, and lie , and worse, have to put her baby up there to lie as well. :no:

 

[roadrunnermt]

I would love to hear Nichole's interview tapes. Part of me feels she must have contributed to this and then there's a stronger part of me now that feels bad that she was thrown into this. Without knowing her it is so hard to judge. Is she the mean spirited, nasty person, possible co-conspiritor that she's been made out to be or a victim herself?

I did have a thought...just because Chris said Nichole suspected the daughter was being abused by Erin months back does not make that a true statement! It's possible that conversation never even happened. I can't imagine a mother suspecting child abuse after supposedly seeing shades of it wouldn't immediately seize any and all contact if not confront Erin with it. So either that bath tub conversation never happened or it was played up for Chris's lie or delusional state of mind.

So if we look at that aspect of it... If Erin was the child's caregiver and Nichole saw what she thought was something questionable, of course the babysitter would be a first thought and a conversation with her husband. That would actually be a normal and understandable conversation for parents to have!! It certainly does not mean that anything happened but I would question a parent more if they didn't run down a list of people. If that conversation did happen it didn't have to be Nichole yelling and screaming that Erin absolutely hurt her child. It could have been a simple, I wonder if she wiped too hard normal question. (sorry I don't know how to write that)
Is Chris delusional? Is he mentally unstable that he wasn't able to separate reality from imagination? Was he schizophrenic that he slipped in and out of liking and hating Erin at the same time? Maybe Nichole realized the bath water was too hot or an explainable reason and was able to move on hence why the child wasn't taken to the doctor. But Chris, if he does have a mental illness, wasn't able to let it go? Maybe he even rekindled with Erin to set her up from that point on due to his hatred as he described?
Sorry, I'm just thinking out loud here. Trying to wrap my head around all this and make some sort of sense out of it all.

No I don't think any abuse suspicions ever were raised until trial and it's all baloney to me. I think CL and his team knew they were up a creek without a paddle and decided to pull a sympathy card in hopes of a lesser sentence. So some pure IDIOT came up with the plan to attempt to paint him as a loving father who admittedly killed a suspected abuser of his child, which is all a crock of poopoo. I don't think he has a conscience whatsoever. He killed Erin cold blooded without a second thought, the girl he "loved", who could have been carrying his baby. Nope no conscious at all. I'm sure he has regrets now that his life is behind bars but that would be only reason why. I think it's highly possible he was on a wild train ride given his convos with friends prior and if sweet Erin had not attached to his path it would have been someone else and he would have continued on that path until eventually caught.

Do I think NL is a victim? HARDLY. Actions speak louder than words and her actions since day one have been pretty bad and shown her true colors.

Normal functioning people of society would not murder someone. Normal people of society would not cover up for a murderer no matter who it was. Did she stand by her man or run away?

Do we know males/female counts on jury?

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[DexterMorgan]

I think Nichole originally kept quiet due to the Finance-Stockholm effect.

This happens in most relationships when the sole breadwinner is about to lose it all and the spouse tries to conceal certain knowledge in order to save the household finances and lifestyle from immediately being cut off right then and there.

So alot of spouses in these situations may mull on things for a while before taking the blinders off and hitting the reset button on their life while their spouse is a foot away from being sentenced to life in prison.

So I agree that Nichole was probably innocent but she sure seemed guilty by seeming vindictive and conniving while mulling on how she should play it out.

Idk

 

[77DarkHorse7]

I still don't understand what the lawyer was trying to get at. What does Erin dying a day before she was put in the mine have to do with this sex defense?

 

[Sjm_qc]

I still don't understand what the lawyer was trying to get at. What does Erin dying a day before she was put in the mine have to do with this sex defense?

Do you have a link to this fact? It's the first I've heard of it, but I'll admit I haven't read every document in detail, & some I read a long time ago & I may have forgotten some of the details.

I am aware that you have a differing opinion to many of the posters here, one which is 'unpopular', shall we say. I'm assuming you may be playing devil's advocate (I do that too sometimes).

 

[Bently]

http://m.winnipegsun.com/2016/11/01...own-mineshaft-for-allegedly-molesting-his-kin

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/11/01/ex-marine-admits-in-court-to-killing-other-marines-wife.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3895530/Ex-Marine-admits-stand-killing-Marines-wife.html

 

[Bently]

BBM

I agree. What a relief that the lawyers decided to put a fork in this thing. I regained a bit of respect for them, for not dragging that poor child up on the stand.

What a King Solomon situation, that worked!

 

[CrackThatCase]

http://m.winnipegsun.com/2016/11/01...own-mineshaft-for-allegedly-molesting-his-kin

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/11/01/ex-marine-admits-in-court-to-killing-other-marines-wife.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3895530/Ex-Marine-admits-stand-killing-Marines-wife.html

I believe all of the above links point to her being killed on the same day that she was placed in the mine (as admitted to by CL himself). Which also coincides with the texts that were sent to her best friend that very same morning.

The defense simply questioned if the time of death could be proven to be on that particular day, but I believe due to exposure and environment of where her body was placed (rapid decomposition) it was difficult to tell. The defense was grasping at anything he could, it's his job. A smear campaign of the victim (if untrue, and I believe it is), is a whole other story.

 

[77DarkHorse7]

I believe all of the above links point to her being killed on the same day that she was placed in the mine (as admitted to by CL himself). Which also coincides with the texts that were sent to her best friend that very same morning.

The defense simply questioned if the time of death could be proven to be on that particular day, but I believe due to exposure and environment of where her body was placed (rapid decomposition) it was difficult to tell. The defense was grasping at anything he could, it's his job. A smear campaign of the victim (if untrue, and I believe it is), is a whole other story.

Beth's blog, Day 7:

On cross-examination, defense attorney David Kaloyanides pressed Sheridan on whether Erin could have been strangled as much as a day before she suffered the skull fractures and other broken bones. Sheridan it was possible.

 

[Sjm_qc]

I believe all of the above links point to her being killed on the same day that she was placed in the mine (as admitted to by CL himself). Which also coincides with the texts that were sent to her best friend that very same morning.

The defense simply questioned if the time of death could be proven to be on that particular day, but I believe due to exposure and environment of where her body was placed (rapid decomposition) it was difficult to tell. The defense was grasping at anything he could, it's his job. A smear campaign of the victim (if untrue, and I believe it is), is a whole other story.

Thank you. This is my understanding too.

 

[heartgoesout]

They can determine time of death based on how bones tried to heal themselves, blood vessels, etc... not sure if that's the case here though?