GUILTY CA - Erin Corwin, 19, pregnant, Twentynine Palms, 28 June 2014 - #6

[RSC]

Ugh. I just looked up the Heather Elvis case for the first time. How awful. These poor young women.

Just like in the Heather Elvis case; the Moorer's had no idea Heather called her girlfriend to tell her that Sidney called, said he was leaving his wife and wanted to get back together.

I wonder if Erin and Nichole ever exchanged words?

 

[RSC]

I think that a 19 year old woman with romantic ideals, raging hormones and an opportunity to be alone with her beau on a secret tryst would perhaps consider any date romantic.

OR, and I've chewed on this a few times...as much as she thought she loved him, perhaps she DID have a nagging feeling about him, and that is actually why she sent the text to her friend that morning. She wanted to sound upbeat, but really she was trying to get information out there. I've thought it sounded strange that she would text that they were going "two hours away." Why not just tell her friend they are going on hunting--why would she specify to a friend who is 1000+ miles away how far away they were going for their date...

I find it hard to believe a girl was described by friends/family as not liking to get her boots dirty or play in the mud, would consider going hunting to be a romantic date...

 

[tvscum]

Erin's own family is saying she was three months pregnant.
http://supporterincorwin.weebly.com/about.html

Can someone please refresh my memory about deployment time frames for Jon & Chris?

http://www.cbs8.com/story/26058825/...ine-wife-continues-new-warrant-details-emerge

 

[CluelessWonder]

Originally, I assumed that Erin wanted her husband to believe he was the baby's father. But, if she truly wanted to be with CL, the baby might have given her an opportunity to turn a fling into a new life. After all, CL was about to leave the military life and could take her along. This doesn't begin to explain why someone would harm her. But it helps me to understand where her mind and heart were.

 

[Solitaryone]

If LE is waiting for NL or CL to confess, they will be waiting forever. If LE is waiting to find Erin and/or a crime scene, what will they do after a certain amount of time if they find neither? If after exhausting all leads they can't find Erin or a crime scene, and NL and CL say nothing, will LE just let the case go cold or will they charge NL and CL?

At this point I'm just not getting LE sticking with the official statement of not being able to rule out "voluntary missing". The public knows better than that, and I bet NL and CL know LE knows better. At some point LE is going to have to decide if they are going to charge NL and CL with Erin's murder whether they have a body and a crime scene or not, and most likely without any confession from NL and CL.

 

[cluciano63]

If LE has processed the vehicles, and still can't rule out "voluntary missing" then I wonder if they will ever be able to proceed with a murder case.

 

[RainyAlaska]

I suspect NL's temper and need for revenge were critical. I just don't see a solid motive for CL. They could have moved to AK and they would be out of reach for child support. It's possible CL might have worried that the affair becoming known would compromise his honorable discharge and future opportunities in the military. But is that sufficient to risk life without parole? It might be, but this is obviously short-sighted. They would have to know a missing Erin would bring scrutiny that would make the affair more likely to come out to the military. I suspect NL found out about the affair, NL and CL planned the murder, and he carried it out, to appease NL. To go from an intimate relationship with someone to luring her (somewhat sadistically) to her death is a big step, and it's hard for me to imagine he would do that, without NL's insistence, even if he is a psychopath. He would still need motivation to take the risks involved, and at this point, I don't see enough benefit to him. Revenge is a powerful motivator.

BBM - Why would moving to Alaska put them out of reach for child support?

We have a "Child Support Enforcement Agency" which is a State run department. They make sure parents pay child support. It doesn't matter if one parent lives in Alaska and the other one lives in another state. They work with every state, enforcing support orders by garnishment (paychecks, tax refunds, Alaska PFD, savings accounts, etc.). Usually the only way to avoid them is to work for cash under the table or work for a Native Corporation (American Indian) which do not have to recognize state or Federal judgements. Moving to Alaska would not get anyone off the hook for child support.

 

[la2cabo]

Can somebody PLEASE post a link to the Probable Cause Affidavit? I can't find it for the life of me. Thank you!

 

[Solitaryone]

Can somebody PLEASE post a link to the Probable Cause Affidavit? I can't find it for the life of me. Thank you!

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/1225468-1765-001.html

 

[RSC]

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/1225468-1765-001.html

Can somebody PLEASE post a link to the Probable Cause Affidavit? I can't find it for the life of me. Thank you!

 

[la2cabo]

Originally, I assumed that Erin wanted her husband to believe he was the baby's father. But, if she truly wanted to be with CL, the baby might have given her an opportunity to turn a fling into a new life. After all, CL was about to leave the military life and could take her along. This doesn't begin to explain why someone would harm her. But it helps me to understand where her mind and heart were.

It's entirely possible EC found out she was pregnant on Fathers Day and actually told JC about it the same day. However, after giving it some thought and doing some calculations she may have then realized there was a very real possibility that the baby was CL's.

 

[CluelessWonder]

If LE has processed the vehicles, and still can't rule out "voluntary missing" then I wonder if they will ever be able to proceed with a murder case.

This case has premeditation written all over it. Google is such a key reference these days. I wonder if the evidence is somewhere in a person's google history.

 

[CarolynV]

Hello all. Gonna jump in here. In my experience a married man will tell you anything to get you in the loop. Maybe he was pretending to be happy about the baby. Pretending they were going to be together. Pretending they were going on a celebratory adventure. He was playing both sides.

 

[cluciano63]

This case has premeditation written all over it. Google is such a key reference these days. I wonder if the evidence is somewhere in a person's google history.

That would be a great addition to any circumstantial evidence they already may have.

 

[Solitaryone]

This case has premeditation written all over it. Google is such a key reference these days. I wonder if the evidence is somewhere in a person's google history.

ITA! And I think both NL and CL are equally guilty!

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Her interview with the horse was on July 21st. This is definitely after the statement of probable cause in which it is noted that LE had spoken with her twice.

It is the second video on this page.

All her statements in the media came well after the statement of probable cause. The earliest I found was July 17, 2014 with the Desert Sun.

http://tinyurl.com/q64st76

A slight correction, the July 17 date is really July 16. The news media added the piece to a newer article on the 17th so it shows up as the 17th. I know because,a few days ago, I traced it back to the original date the video showed up on WS which was the 16th of July (thread 5, page 1, iirc).

 

[karmagage]

I was thinking the other way around. Maybe I'm a jealous person but if some other woman was having a baby by my partner? Whoa...I mean that would keep those two connected for the rest of their life. I feel NL wears the pants and makes the decisions. IMO. Also, for the adventure they took on that Saturday are there any wild horses around there to go see?

 

[NWLady]

Taking into account what we have heard about tire tracks, dark colored Jeep, red car, etc., here is a possible scenario that I came up with last night when I couldn't go to sleep...

CL and EC met in the early morning, 7-7:30 on June 28 where her car was found. He picked her up in his Jeep; hence the tire tracks from his Jeep being there and the one set of footprints going from her car to the Jeep. He takes her and does whatever he did to her and leaves her wherever he left her (ugh, it is hard to even type that Then he comes home and tells NL what he did (whether she knew any plans beforehand I am undecided on), so NL starts asking him for example, did you pull up next to her car to pick her up? If so, that means your tracks are there, how stupid are you! Did you make sure there is nothing in her car that would show you had anything to do with this, do you have the car keys, and yada yada!!! (Not necessarily these questions but rather NL drilling him for answers and trying to see how well he covered his tracks, no pun intended). So NL decides maybe they should go move the car in hopes of providing some other tire tracks, make it look like others had stopped there, make it look like maybe EC had come back to her car and then went somewhere else then came back and got in with somebody again, etc.and to make sure there was nothing in the car to worry about, make sure it was locked and the keys in their possession, etc. So NL and CL leave their apartment in “the red car” and off they go back down to EC's car and that's when the witness sees the female exiting EC's car and getting into “the red car”

 

[NWLady]

I also think it's possible that CL led Erin to believe that once he was discharged that they would then be together to live happily ever after. I do NOT think he had any intention of actually doing that but I think that's what he had her convinced of. I do think he knew about the pregnancy and I do think he believed it to be his. When CL and Erin planned this special day to celebrate, I think Erin thought he would be telling her that day for sure that he was indeed going to leave his wife, that he had made up his mind he wanted to be with Erin instead etc. I do think NL also knew about the pregnancy. Otherwise, since CL was being discharged, they allegedly had plans to return to Alaska, then no need to further worry about the affair, kind of like out of sight, out of mind....

 

[Knox]

BBM - Why would moving to Alaska put them out of reach for child support?

We have a "Child Support Enforcement Agency" which is a State run department. They make sure parents pay child support. It doesn't matter if one parent lives in Alaska and the other one lives in another state. They work with every state, enforcing support orders by garnishment (paychecks, tax refunds, Alaska PFD, savings accounts, etc.). Usually the only way to avoid them is to work for cash under the table or work for a Native Corporation (American Indian) which do not have to recognize state or Federal judgements. Moving to Alaska would not get anyone off the hook for child support.

Deadbeat Dads lose their driver's licenses also.