GUILTY CA - Erin Corwin, 19, pregnant, Twentynine Palms, 28 June 2014 - #6

[RSC]

Also odd, the statement of probable cause says that "detectives WENT and INTERVIEWED [IG] in more detail." That is strange phrasing. It makes me wonder if IG called them and offered to give more information, and did so at a time that she knew N and C were going to show up. Otherwise it seems to be really coincidental timing that they happened to show up at that exact time.

I feel like there is much more information (obviously) than what we have, and that perhaps many people are trying their darndest to help LE get information.

 

[hawkhd]

After looking at the ranch property on Google Maps, and a real estate listing site, I don't think it's big enough to do either of those things without neighbors noticing. The entire property is only 5 acres, and most of that is one big fenced in area, with the horses roaming around, and a few storage buildings, walk in sheds for the horses, etc. This isn't a property where you could drive over the hill and dig a grave, or build a fire to get rid of a body with little risk of it being seen. There might be some shed or tack room that isn't being used or something but even that seems risky to me.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/733+Geronimo+Trail,+Yucca+Valley,+CA+92284/@34.239057,-116.449469,112m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m7!1m4!3m3!1s0x80db2a447cf73065:0x820ed0d298d452e3!2s733+Geronimo+Trail,+Yucca+Valley,+CA+92284!3b1!3m1!1s0x80db2a447cf73065:0x820ed0d298d452e3

http://www.homesnap.com/CA/Yucca-Valley/733-Geronimo-Trail

HOLY S! Only 5 acres?! Rule of thumb is one acre per horse, and they must have AT LEAST 25 there at the ranch... *face palm* I'd like to observe their standard of care, but that's a whole different subject (however, may give more insight into IM..)...

 

[smc1225]

Also odd, the statement of probable cause says that "detectives WENT and INTERVIEWED [IG] in more detail." That is strange phrasing. It makes me wonder if IG called them and offered to give more information, and did so at a time that she knew N and C were going to show up. Otherwise it seems to be really coincidental timing that they happened to show up at that exact time.

I feel like there is much more information (obviously) than what we have, and that perhaps many people are trying their darndest to help LE get information.

I wonder if LE was watching CL and NL and saw them making trips out to the ranch with their truck loaded with stuff. Though I wouldn't think it would take them two days to talk to IM again if they observed that.

Also, the probable cause document never says if they recovered the 'black duffel bag" that CL took and brought into the house.

 

[branwynbreeze]

Slab City has some people living there who they tend to notice "outsiders," but there's definitely a lot of "nothing" out that way. And now that we're looking at CL possibly being "off the grid" for a longer time period, Salton Sea would be possible (since the 30 miles would be from the south entrance to JTNP, rather than the North, 29 Palms entrance).

Bird hunting?


Not in season yet. We hunted pheasant and quail in Nov. there. Coyote, jackrabbit and if you have tag(s), wild pig are allowed now.

 

[Frigga]

Wow- just read the probable cause affidavit. It doesn't look good for the Lees.

Poor Erin...

 

[Woe.be.gone]

My opinion probably differs from the group here, but I think that given the fact EC was going to celebrate her pregnancy with CL, she either told JC she was pregnant by another man, or he found out. I suppose it's also theoretically possible that she told him she was 2-3 weeks along, as it said on the initial police report, when she was further along, in order to make the dates match up with the last time they had relations. Or she told him she was further along when she wasn't. I think EC was done with JC and just waiting for her new life to start. No judgements of EC, it's JMO.

I don't believe *he* killed Erin with a gun. I don't have the stats or anything else to dispute a spud gun, or a .22, or a .40. or any other firearm. My personal feeling is up close and personal. No firearms required. I would imagine a 6 year Marine would be savvy enough to understand ballistics. Even a 6 year Marine's wife would know that. If Erin is found near a range (and there are plenty of legal shooting ranges near JT) CL has his "I was shooting there, I collected the casings, you can't prove anything") while Erin is discovered to have been strangled or stabbed. In a way, it gives him an alibi.

I picked two posts (not picking on anybody) just to ask, what do you base your opinions on?
What I mean is, sometimes peeps post as if they KNOW something that the rest of us don't know.
How is it, without having all the evidence or knowing the peeps personally, we can state obsoletes?
We're all speculating about almost everything, right? I mean as far as the nitty gritty goes as to what JC knew,
what NL knew, what the relationship history between E and CL is, etc.

We need to know if Erin was caught on camera anywhere on Saturday the 28th. Her mother spoke to her on the phone Friday.
Is there any evidence of Erin after that time? Did she attend a party? Her car should be seen leaving base or entering JT. Does LE have that evidence? I suppose but how do we know? (answering my own question - is it because they've investigated beyond Erin's own home?) I want to know who saw Erin - park ranger, gate guard, someone, anybody on Saturday.

 

[maskedwoman]

There are three separate parcels in IM's name. Not going to post details here, click on name search and enter her last name only ...
http://www.sbcounty.gov/assessor/pims/(S(mitajckoap0h3usz0zpnas05))/PIMSINTERFACE.ASPX

Thank you, I looked for that and missed the assessor's site. One property looks in size like a normal residence, with less than 1.5 acres. The two larger properties are across the road from each other, and both consist of a small older home, an outer fence and a few outbuildings. Both of the properties are pretty barren (no woods, just a very few bushes or trees), and too small to do any body dumping, IMO. Plus, the land is so very flat, so any major hole-digging or burning of anything could be seen by neighbors.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I picked two posts (not picking on anybody) just to ask, what do you base your opinions on?
What I mean is, sometimes peeps post as if they KNOW something that the rest of us don't know.
How is it, without having all the evidence or knowing the peeps personally, we can state obsoletes?
We're all speculating about almost everything, right? I mean as far as the nitty gritty goes as to what JC knew,
what NL knew, what the relationship history between E and CL is, etc.

We need to know if Erin was caught on camera anywhere on Saturday the 28th. Her mother spoke to her on the phone Friday.
Is there any evidence of Erin after that time? Did she attend a party? Her car should be seen leaving base or entering JT. Does LE have that evidence? I suppose but how do we know? (answering my own question - is it because they've investigated beyond Erin's own home?) I want to know who saw Erin - park ranger, gate guard, someone, anybody on Saturday.

I think they do have footage of Erin leaving the base. That is why they have continued to look off base the entire time, imo.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

BBM. Trying to catch on on the thread...But I hadn't heard that CL claimed that Erin didn't show up for a meeting? Seems kinda damning to me. Especially if they have Erin leaving base on camera.

Mel.

Oh, do they have Erin on camera leaving the base Saturday morning? I haven't seen that evidence. If they do, then no wonder I'm confused.
I keep reading that LE hasn't named suspects (although I realize all the digging they're doing surrounding the Lee's and the ranch) but LE continues to say they're interviewing lots of peeps.

(have mercy on me. with Gemini rising in my chart I'm a crippled decision maker.)

 

[maskedwoman]

HOLY S! Only 5 acres?! Rule of thumb is one acre per horse, and they must have AT LEAST 25 there at the ranch... *face palm* I'd like to observe their standard of care, but that's a whole different subject (however, may give more insight into IM..)...

I had that thought myself but, based on those pictures and a request on their site for donations stating they buy hay in bulk, I think the horses are hay-fed rather than grazing. I have read some articles online that they are pretty well thought of and have rehabbed over 250 horses.

 

[Nora Charles]

HauntsforHope, whose post I was quoting, quoted Aerosmith. (My first instinct was to reply to you..."Because Aerosmith Rocks! Duh!" lol) Wow, what an awesome brother - sorry you couldn't take him up on that offer!!

Just logged in. o/t - why Aerosmith? Last week I called my bro to tell him I just heard they will be performing not too far away (but far enough) tomorrow (I think). We talk about music a lot (bonding with my younger brother). Later he calls me back to say thanks for the tip and that he bought cheap seats (cuz it was cheap or $$$$$). He said he was taking "V". :shame: I said, "what?" He said, "Why, do you want to go, I'll get another ticket." LOL! Such a good guy, but the logistics are too difficult for me at this time anyway - boo.

:gaah: Thanks for bringing the subject up. :slap:

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I agree that in these types of cases we almost always find out the woman's death/disappearance was caused by her husband. Almost always. But there are a whole lot of cases where the disappearance/death is at the hands of her lover, or her jilted lover. So that really means most of these types of cases involve intimate partners of a variety of legal relationships to the victim.

Then we have Whitney Heichel's case... a neighbor.

I know that LE aren't always 'right' in their actions or assumptions. We only have a slew of stories about police misconduct in the news every day to know that, at the end of the day, they are quite human and fail like the rest of us.

But in this case, they have more facts than we do. They've spoken to all of these key players, most likely multiple times. And since they do know at least what we know in terms of the vast majority of these types of crimes being perpetrated by intimate partners, I feel confident in accepting that they've looked - and questioned and investigated and fact-checked - every bit of information about or that has come from JC. And if they found or heard or saw anything hinky, they'd be all over it.

At this point I see JC as a victim. I feel badly for him for the double-whammy he's getting of his wife being missing AND knowing, like we all do, that he's prime candidate for being suspect #1.

I just don't believe that investigators would have gone to the lengths they've gone to in investigating CL if they didn't have good reason to do so. And at the same time, they haven't had good reason to similarly investigate JC.

That's all. I don't want to make it personal, so please don't feel like I'm attacking. It's frustrating how little information has been released, because I do believe they have so much more than we are able to see, and that makes it difficult for us to do anything more than speculate. I, too, really thought it would be JC at first, I just think now with his young age and all the time that has passed, if he did it, it would become obvious. Scott Peterson, for example, couldn't hold his s%@& together for this long, and he was much older and presumably, a more experienced liar under pressure. So, I don't know. I would imagine a 20 yo kid under such intense scrutiny from both the military AND the police AND the family AND the general public would start to crack a bit. IMO, JMO.

I do agree with you. I just don't see Jon as the suspect in this case. CL had much more to lose than Jon, imo.

33% of the approximately 3500 women who are murdered each year the murderer turned out to be a domestic partner.

That is not necessarily the spouse of the woman though. Domestic partner includes anyone who had an intimate relationship with the victim.

Spouse
Current Boyfriend
Lover
Or ex-lover-ex-boyfriend or ex-spouse.

Approximately out of 3500 homicides 1,100 females are murdered each year due to domestic partner homicides.

The stats group all who fit into this one category when it comes to domestic homicides.

So CL fits the stats as much as Jon does.

IMO[/I]

 

[RSC]

So, I looked at this more in the light of day. First--I was wrong, in the cartoon shown here the husband is punching his wife. The post is old, however.

More importantly, I think it is safe to say that NL knew either of the alleged affair or that something was not right. Starting around 17 or 18 weeks ago, she pinned many sayings, etc that have to do with forgiveness, being hurt, life not going as expected, etc. Very interesting.

Yes, this one: http://www.pinterest.com/pin/232005818275900900/

You can definitely tell A LOT about someone from what they pin on Pinterest. MOO

 

[Woe.be.gone]

I think they do have footage of Erin leaving the base. That is why they have continued to look off base the entire time, imo.

It is the "I think" though. We saw a probable cause affidavit, not evidence (that's what bugs me because we have to assume a lot in between).
Why wouldn't LE put that out to the universe - Erin was last seen driving her car out the base gate at (time) - blah, blah?
LE usually makes some statement in order to spark memories of eyewitnesses. LE said Erin's phone was shut off at the beginning of the day. Did she use her phone at all the 28th?

 

[SheriBerry]

As FAR fetched as it sounds, those potato launchers could kill someone or at the very least knock you silly if hit in the head. If CL led EC out to a desolate place to "play around" around with it and "goof off" having fun shooting it, if he hit her in the head with it, all he would basically have to do would be to push, drag, kick her dazed, wounded or dead body into a mind shaft. What evidence is it going to leave? An obliterated potato that the animals would eat or the natural elements would dissolve? No bullet casings, no gun powder residue, more then likely no blood splatter evidence, no smoking gun or knife to get rid of. Pretty much no evidence to tie back to CL. Other then the actual potato launcher. It's not like they can test it in anyway. And seriously who would even think someone would kill someone with one of those?

I think the .40 bullet casings in the jeep are unrelated to EC. If he was smart enough to pick them up at the crime scene, surely he wouldn't leave them laying in his jeep? He and some buddies could have gone shooting at some point they saved their casings (most are brass/copper) to scrap and some gun enthusiasts have a reloader and reuse their old casings, especially since ammo is hard to find these days. Perhaps they just rolled out of someone's duffle bag? Might not belong to his gun since they can't find a 40 cal.

I really don't like thinking about any of this. And I know this theory is out in never never land but if you even mull around the idea of killing someone, you're crazy to begin with. Alright, I'll shut up now. LOL

 

[RSC]

Would they have needed an additional warrant? Or would the black bag have been included, since they took it into the house?

I wonder if LE was watching CL and NL and saw them making trips out to the ranch with their truck loaded with stuff. Though I wouldn't think it would take them two days to talk to IM again if they observed that.

Also, the probable cause document never says if they recovered the 'black duffel bag" that CL took and brought into the house.

 

[RSC]

I thought about this as well. An autopsy would show trauma that I imagine could be explained by falling into a mine?

As FAR fetched as it sounds, those potato launchers could kill someone or at the very least knock you silly if hit in the head. If CL led EC out to a desolate place to "play around" around with it and "goof off" having fun shooting it, if he hit her in the head with it, all he would basically have to do would be to push, drag, kick her dazed, wounded or dead body into a mind shaft. What evidence is it going to leave? An obliterated potato that the animals would eat or the natural elements would dissolve? No bullet casings, no gun powder residue, more then likely no blood splatter evidence, no smoking gun or knife to get rid of. Pretty much no evidence to tie back to CL. Other then the actual potato launcher. It's not like they can test it in anyway. And seriously who would even think someone would kill someone with one of those?

I think the .40 bullet casings in the jeep are unrelated to EC. If he was smart enough to pick them up at the crime scene, surely he wouldn't leave them laying in his jeep? He and some buddies could have gone shooting at some point they saved their casings (most are brass/copper) to scrap and some gun enthusiasts have a reloader and reuse their old casings, especially since ammo is hard to find these days. Perhaps they just rolled out of someone's duffle bag? Might not belong to his gun since they can't find a 40 cal.

I really don't like thinking about any of this. And I know this theory is out in never never land but if you even mull around the idea of killing someone, you're crazy to begin with. Alright, I'll shut up now. LOL

 

[Knox]

I had that thought myself but, based on those pictures and a request on their site for donations stating they buy hay in bulk, I think the horses are hay-fed rather than grazing. I have read some articles online that they are pretty well thought of and have rehabbed over 250 horses.

I agree, the area I have seen in the pictures looks clean, and the animals well cared for. I would never criticize what IM is doing at her facility, I'm grateful that she has the heart to do what she does.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

It is the "I think" though. We saw a probable cause affidavit, not evidence (that's what bugs me because we have to assume a lot in between).
Why wouldn't LE put that out to the universe - Erin was last seen driving her car out the base gate at (time) - blah, blah?
LE usually makes some statement in order to spark memories of eyewitnesses. LE said Erin's phone was shut off at the beginning of the day. Did she use her phone at all the 28th?

If I am not mistaken LE has continuously asked people to call in if they know anything.

I really don't find it unusual that LE hasn't released much. That is so common nowadays with all police forces.

Didn't she call her best friend that day or was it another day?

IMO

 

[Nora Charles]

Have you actually seen a wild pig out there? (BTW...They extended Eurasian Collared Dove year round in Imperial County this year.)

Slab City has some people living there who they tend to notice "outsiders," but there's definitely a lot of "nothing" out that way. And now that we're looking at CL possibly being "off the grid" for a longer time period, Salton Sea would be possible (since the 30 miles would be from the south entrance to JTNP, rather than the North, 29 Palms entrance).

Bird hunting?



Not in season yet. We hunted pheasant and quail in Nov. there. Coyote, jackrabbit and if you have tag(s), wild pig are allowed now.