GUILTY CA - Erin Corwin, 19, pregnant, Twentynine Palms, 28 June 2014 - #6

[Cherry]

ME too its,so peaceful n such a place of solitude. I feel terrible for Erins family. I FEEL BOTH LEES SHOULD B UNDR ARREST. JTNF Is a gorgeous place full of nooks n crannies, impossible to search imo.

 

[SuziQ]

this is OT but I am familiar with horse recues and it can be heartbreaking as often horses are seen as disposable commodities. It takes so much time and money to operate a rescue and I too feel badly for IM for landing in the middle of all this. Makes me sad that people- IMO- read a nefarious slant into her involvement. I might be totally wrong but to me it just doesn't fit the profile.

I'm not sure what level of involvement IM has yet. She at least had knowledge of a crime and appears to have held on to that information for a bit. And maybe that small amount of time she stalled, gave CL and NL time to destroy evidence and cover their tracks.

One of my pet peeves is people close to a perp, for whatever reason, choose to believe that their intimate knowledge of a crime and holding on to that information, is not a crime. Hello? It is a crime! I will always side myself with the victim and not with people who align themselves and are loyal to a murderer. I don't care if it's a poor mom, poor girlfriend, or poor horse rescuer.

 

[steelman]

These are the kind of statements made by LE that make me want to scream! Why don't they make a statement saying that Erin is missing under suspicious circumstances and that they suspect foul play!? Then they can ask the public for help, and if anyone has any info to please come forward. LE could have a tip line opened and ask that if anyone has any information that could aid in the case they could call the tip line. It's very frustrating to read these kind of statements by LE! :banghead:

HA ha.......yeah, they always claim that they don't know anything.............

You know what ?? I believe 'em ! They don't.

 

[Flutterflies]

yes iv been several times GRowing up and as an adult its just not somewhere.ppl.say im going to JTNF TO HUNT.
http://www.desertusa.com/mag07/jan/jtoasis.html. SOME PHOTOS.

CL was going hunting at JTNF - hunting, preying, stalking his victim EC. Poor Erin did not know she was his prey.

 

[Cherry]

after mcstay case I feel sanberdo should bring in the fbi as this is now across state lines fleeing to alaska imo. no confidence in sanberdo or twenty nine palms or usgov. mAybe there is container at the ranch a shed or bldg thy nd to go bac n search there since lees had acess to that property. imo

 

[Fairy1]

From the PCA:

https://s3.amazonaws.com/s3.documentcloud.org/documents/1225468/1765-001.pdf

JT, Erin's friend in Tennessee,confirmed Erin and Lee were romantically involved and Erin may be pregnant with Lee's child. Erin told [Friend] that Lee was worried if his wife discovered Erin was pregnant, Lee's wife would divorce him and keep him from his child. [Friend] knew Erin and Lee were going on a day trip together on 062814, for a celebration of Erin's pregnancy. [Friend] forwarded text messages from Erin to support these claims. Lee told Erin they were going to have a special day together and he would be taking Erin to an undisclosed location, approximately two hours from 29 Palms. Lee told Erin he was going to take her hunting. It is highly likely Erin could have been harmed by an unknown firearm. Sometime after Erin left with Lee, her phone was deactivated ( turned off ). Detectives believe if Erin was injured and left at an undisclosed location, she would not be able to call for help.

Two things about this bolded information: It implies LE knows for certain that Erin left with CL that day. And is there a specific reason detectives believe Erin was injured and unable to get help as opposed to actually having been killed?

I do think they know much more than we know they know!

 

[Cherry]

sadly I believe this too...flutterflies.....she had no clue. lees wife? at this point I think she may hv been there. surprised erin.took two to subdue her. I want her aliby.

 

[LadyLems]

I have an issue with the whole text thing to the friend. Why because others can use your phone number even if they do not have your phone in hand to send a text and or phone call to any one they desire. The person on the receiving end if it is an acquaintance will automatically assume that it is you calling. So the data must be examined to see actually where the phone/text was made from. I hope this makes sense. IMO, but perhaps I am incorrect and if so please do share so I can become more educated in this field. Here is an article on this. http://www.cbsnews.com/news/why-is-my-own-phone-number-calling-me/

 

[smc1225]

after mcstay case I feel sanberdo should bring in the fbi as this is now across state lines fleeing to alaska imo. no confidence in sanberdo or twenty nine palms or usgov. mAybe there is container at the ranch a shed or bldg thy nd to go bac n search there since lees had acess to that property. imo

The FBI are involved and have been since day 1.

Captain Mondary said they are getting some assistance from the FBI, who offered their assistance the first day and have been involved in the investigation.

http://www.z1077fm.com/still-no-evidence-of-a-crime-in-erin-corwin-disappearance/

 

[LinasK]

Let's see here........

Nicole Lee has stated that they won't ever find her body, and without her body they got nothing on 'em.

The cops have said repeatedly that they don't know that Erin didn't just run off on her own.

In a court of law, a defense attorney is going to have a heyday with the cops own admissions.

Seems like to me, the cops are now in the position that they HAVE to find her, no matter what.

No body, no proof of a crime. I'm pretty sure a jury would agree.

If the perpetrator (or perpetrators) who made this woman disappear really planned it out carefully and thoroughly, they may in fact be right. If they hid her well enough, this will never go to trial.

Ummm,no. There have been successful prosecutions in CA without a body. Hans Reiser is a fairly recent, famous one. After conviction, he gave up the location of his wife's body- previously claiming she fled to Russia. Pretty sure Antolin Garcia will be going to trial without Sierra LaMar's body too. If there is enough circumstantial evidence to prove murder (blood, DNA, hair, fibers) it can be done.

 

[smc1225]

I have an issue with the whole text thing to the friend. Why because others can use your phone number even if they do not have your phone in hand to send a text and or phone call to any one they desire. The person on the receiving end if it is an acquaintance will automatically assume that it is you calling. So the data must be examined to see actually where the phone/text was made from. I hope this makes sense. IMO, but perhaps I am incorrect and if so please do share so I can become more educated in this field. Here is an article on this. http://www.cbsnews.com/news/why-is-my-own-phone-number-calling-me/

I think that is just for phone calls and getting around caller id - I don't think the same thing applies to text messages. At least that article didn't say anything about text messages. I think text messages send the phone number of the device that is texting and if that number matches a contact - that person names comes up (or the text appear in a conversation already happening) or it appears as a new number with no person associated to it. I could be wrong though.

 

[steelman]

Brain twister of the day, before I have to go back to work.

If I write something that I believe is so good and so thought out that I actually "thank" my own post,
is that against Websleuth policy ?

Catch ya'll later........:beersign:

 

[LinasK]

Warning, could be troubling to some, as it depicts physiology of death.

Except that for those 6 hours the body isn't actually decomposing yet. In fact the vast majority of the bodies' cells are still technically "alive" long after death. What happens is the oxygen levels in the blood deplete but oxygen still makes it's way into the body through the skin and the concentration gradient effect through the air passages of the lungs. The result is that the tissues can still achieve modest oxygenation of between 30-45% of normal which is used by some of the cells. The rest switch over to anaerobic respiration and start burning sugar the hillbilly way, making massive amounts of waste products that unfortunately have the effect of feeding the bears or rather, the microbes that will eventually cause sepsis and systemic cellular death, but that happens later on. The reason that the core temperature can tell you time of death is because the switch over happens gradually and when the cells switch to a less powerful form of energy production they no longer make enough energy to heat the body to regular human temperature. The more cells switch over, the less heat the body produces and eventually the heat drops so low that crucial enzymes stop working and some of the cells start to die off. It is at this point, more than six hours later, that the body actually starts decomposing.

Okay, well this argument is a moot point anyhow, because another poster stated that the body in Merced had already been identified and wasn't Erin, and MaskedWoman pointed out that he probably drove her alive to where he shot her and left her there.

 

[LadyLems]

Yes it is quite confusing to me as well I understand the concept of robo calling we use it for certain situations within my regular secular employment and I have been snooping around trying to get a straight up answer, but of course when dealing with the underbelly of the world it is not that easy unless you are willing to join in with them. LOL and I certainly am not!

I think that is just for phone calls and getting around caller id - I don't think the same thing applies to text messages. At least that article didn't say anything about text messages. I think text messages send the phone number of the device that is texting and if that number matches a contact - that person names comes up (or the text appear in a conversation already happening) or it appears as a new number with no person associated to it. I could be wrong though.

 

[moonbeams]

I agree. I'm familiar with the area and people do go there frequently to hike and "sightsee", but this is the first I've heard of someone going there to hunt. Struck me as odd.

I actually had a visceral reaction when reading that he was going to JTNP to hunt. Disgusting.

 

[LadyLems]

Nothing wrong I suppose for tooting your own horn once in awhile. Is that breaking the rules I am not sure but I loved your question it sure made me laugh! A double thanks!

Brain twister of the day, before I have to go back to work.

If I write something that I believe is so good and so thought out that I actually "thank" my own post,
is that against Websleuth policy ?

Catch ya'll later........:beersign:

 

[escape2sc]

This makes me sad. I know nothing about running a horse rescue ranch or the space needed to do so. But it seems IM has devoted her life to helping mistreated horses. Just can't understand why people are so eager to throw her under the bus. So far, that I know of anyway, there's no reason to believe anything other than she landed smack dab in the middle of a personal crime between people who volunteered at her ranch.

I understand what you are saying about IM and I do not mean any disrespect to IM ..but how does running a horse rescue ranch elevate IM to a moral high ground ? CL & NL devoted time and energy , compassion to the rescue horses too and are looking like the prime suspects in EC's disappearance .

 

[Nora Charles]

Brain twister of the day, before I have to go back to work.

If I write something that I believe is so good and so thought out that I actually "thank" my own post,
is that against Websleuth policy ?

Catch ya'll later........:beersign:

You don't have the option to thank your own post. "Thanks" is replaced by "Edit" on the poster's computer.

Edited to add:
Here's what showed up on this post:

 

[Solitaryone]

Two things about this bolded information: It implies LE knows for certain that Erin left with CL that day. And is there a specific reason detectives believe Erin was injured and unable to get help as opposed to actually having been killed?

I do think they know much more than we know they know!

I've been curious about the wording used too. Why do they used "injured' instead of "killed"? Did LE ever believe Erin was out there alive but injured, or have they known all along Erin was murdered? In what ways if any would the wording used make a difference in the investigation? Was this wording used to obtain more resources for searches?

 

[Solitaryone]

I am wondering if CL told her the trip was 2 hours away in order for EC to justify being gone for a long period so that her absence would not initially cause alarm.

Great observation! I wonder if "undisclosed location" also meant undisclosed to Erin for the same reason?