GUILTY CA - Erin Corwin, 19, pregnant, Twentynine Palms, 28 June 2014 - #7

[maskedwoman]

I was just thinking that family members must be completely emotionally exhausted by now. Too worn out to do anything other than grieve, cherish the life that was, and go home. I think they know pretty much what happened, who did it and why. Justice will come one way or another.

MOO

Also, as much as they may want to stay and wait for their loved one to be found, many people cannot remain away from home indefinitely. They would lose their jobs and homes, and often have other children that must be cared for as well. It must be torture to have to make the decision to go back home without any final answers, but eventually people must return to their lives. It's just heartbreaking to think about.

 

[cluciano63]

That's how I feel. I think his wife would have reasonably assumed he cared about her...yet he got another woman pregnant.

I don't think he really cared about either Erin or his wife. He had an affair, thus cheating on wife and then tried to deny even knowing Erin. And the paying of child support for years on end is a motive for either CL or NL, Imo. This payment would affect his family, if he stays with his wife, for years to come.

 

[NYC Girl]

I don't think we can assume a child support issue. Maybe she was never going to ask for child support and was never going to tell JC the child wasn't his. That doesn't mean that CL wouldn't have been worried about child support in the short-term or long-term, I realize. I'm going to go way out on a limb here and say it is my opinion that he didn't do this, at least not how it is currently hypothesized.

 

[bpinkbinkie]

I believe he's capable of killing. What I'm having trouble with is picturing him feeling angry enough or threatened enough by a girlfriend's pregnancy to actually DO it in this particular circumstance.

I did a quick Google search of pregnant mistresses who have been murdered or are missing. In appx. 10 minutes I was able to find 10 with no problem:

1) Zachary Littleton (Marine) & Samira Watkins
2) David Rapoport & Jennifer Snyder
3) Stephen Barbee & Lisa Underwood
4) Bobby Lee Cutts & Jessie Davis
5) Rudy Persaud & Kristine Kupka (Missing)
6) Lacey Hirst-Pavek (Wife) & Michelle Kitterman - Wife hired a hit man to murder mistress
7) Stephen Poaches & LaToyia Figueroa - (Poaches had 2 pregnant gf's at the same time)
8) Melvin Washington Jr. & Tanisha Hardman
9) Gregory Nelson Jr. & Susana Cisneros
10) Crystal & DeShone Boler (H&W) & Emily Garrison

Interesting (but depressing) reading on these cases. Tragically, it happens a lot more than we hear about. I was only aware of 3 of these, 2 because they were high-profile and 1 because it was local to me.

 

[Kensie]

I may have missed something because I have not read all the posts, but this bothers me.
Why did Erin tell her husband she was pregnant in mid June and then two weeks later, make an arrangement with CL to
celebrate the pregnancy? I don't understand it except that maybe she was extremely confused and trying to determine
the father of the baby. I have also wondered if she committed suicide, I hope that was not a thought in her head. Too young
to have her life snapped away from her.

 

[maskedwoman]

I know there has been some speculation but I can't really reconcile in my head how Erin's car ended up where it did. Did she meet up with CL, leave her car there and get in to his Jeep with him? Did she meet him in JT and later he and the wife went back, got her car and left it where LE found it? For me, this is a huge piece of the puzzle I can't figure out.

I keep asking myself the same thing. The police certainly seem to think the Lee's jeep was there and Erin got into it, but that doesn't necessary have to be the case. Plus, the red car is driving me crazy. If MB really saw someone get out of Erin's car and into a red car, why hasn't the red car turned up as connected to one of the major players? Unless MB is red/green color blind (approx. 8% of men are) and mistook the green car IM loaned them for a red car, but I have no idea whether that works just by changing the color. It sounds a little far-fetched as I type it. But, I can certainly buy CL coming home, freaked out at having killed her, and NL coming up with the idea of using IM's car to put Erin's car where it was found.

The other nagging question I have is whether we have been able to rule out whether Erin's hair was currently styled in such a way that she could have been the person MB saw getting in the red car or not. Hair grows and young people seem to dye their hair frequently these days. Without knowing whether Erin was someone who liked to change up her look, can we say for sure whether it was or was not her getting in the red car?

Thanks all,

 

[la2cabo]

Let's not forget that CL is a trained Marine. IMO, killing any "threat" is probably not a problem for him.

Excellent point, Fairy. Sickening, but excellent reminder.

 

[maskedwoman]

I kinda feel the same way. It takes a LOT of courage to put an end to someone's life. He must have known the consequences should he have been caught.

Desperation, fear and hate can also push someone to commit murder. Those are very strong emotions that can allow someone who isn't normally at all courageous to take action. Everyone knows the consequences of committing murder but plenty of people do it anyway - often for shockingly petty reasons.

On one of the Cold Justice episodes, an elderly woman was strangled to death in her home over a few hundred dollars. She knew her killer, and he had no reason to even dislike her. He just wanted the money and killed her over that small amount.

 

[la2cabo]

Agree. We can reasonably assume he genuinely cared for Erin. Then again, Marines are trained to take orders and do as they're told. Just sayin....

The military also teaches these young people how to turn off as much emotion and feeling as possible in the moment. I think this is partially why so many come back from combat with PTSD. Reality sets in once they've realized that they've taken a human life, or lives.

 

[la2cabo]

I don't think CL cared for Erin, however, I do think all he cared about was himself and his penis. No offense to any of the men on here but at that age most young men follow their "little head" and not necessarily their bigger and smarter head. Somehow I managed to keep my son a virgin until he was 18 (my hubby laughs at me and my naivety) but now that he's almost 23, watch out - he's making up for lost time!

 

[la2cabo]

I keep asking myself the same thing. The police certainly seem to think the Lee's jeep was there and Erin got into it, but that doesn't necessary have to be the case. Plus, the red car is driving me crazy. If MB really saw someone get out of Erin's car and into a red car, why hasn't the red car turned up as connected to one of the major players? Unless MB is red/green color blind (approx. 8% of men are) and mistook the green car IM loaned them for a red car, but I have no idea whether that works just by changing the color. It sounds a little far-fetched as I type it. But, I can certainly buy CL coming home, freaked out at having killed her, and NL coming up with the idea of using IM's car to put Erin's car where it was found.

The other nagging question I have is whether we have been able to rule out whether Erin's hair was currently styled in such a way that she could have been the person MB saw getting in the red car or not. Hair grows and young people seem to dye their hair frequently these days. Without knowing whether Erin was someone who liked to change up her look, can we say for sure whether it was or was not her getting in the red car?

Thanks all,

I thought it was determined that MB was not credible and we had to discount the red car story. Please, correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[LisaB]

I'd love to know what "similar mysteries" Nichole is referring to. Did she follow the Samantha Koenig case, it happened in her hometown of Anchorage. The statement at a minimum shows she has an awareness of cases where a murder occurs, and no body is found.

I think she meant pregnant women being disappeared by the baby-daddy. There have been husbands who have done this, (Laci Peterson Case) and men who impregnated women other than their spouse. I believe there was a case a few years back in which a soldier had murdered a VERY pregnant female soldier who it was suspected was carrying his child. I can't recall the details, but think her name was Melissa, she was rather young, and that she was found buried near or on the property of the baby's father.

 

[RSC]

My only guess is that maybe they really didn't mean to leak it (i.e. they really just forgot to ask for sealed records)

I don't understand this. Why aren't there more leaks? You would think that the person who leaked the first warrants would have found a way to get the rest out, correct?? Is the person biased and only leaking warrants that point towards "his" suspects? We can't work this investigation with only half the picture. So someone better get their act together... JMO

 

[LisaB]

Right?! Not to mention what our internet search histories would reveal.

Thinking; if you found yourself with a body on your hands, and were in a a panicked state. What might come to mind in disposing of said body, could be something you saw in a crime show. Clean-up and destruction of evidence comes next.

LE has said Erin's phone was disabled or turned off the day she went missing. This seems to indicate an awareness on someone's part that cell phones yield valuable evidence. So with that in mind, were either of the Lee's phones turned off on June 28th or 29th?

GREAT question!

 

[RSC]

I was only responding to someone saying that it was reasonable to assume he cared for Erin. I don't think that is a reasonable assumption at all.
Clearly he didn't "care" enough for his own family to keep from getting another woman pregnant.

That said, I believe CL would be legally liable for child support. And it's a big assumption to think that JC would stay married to EC and raise another man's child...

I dont understand why this is a motive. She is married. Her husband has to pay to raise the child and to care for her. IMO

 

[RSC]

IMO this doesn't fit in with where her car was found or the tracks near her car.

I was also thinking something along those lines. Mostly thinking she ran into a stranger.
I love the ID channel. I started to notice that there a lot of cases that involve deserts.

 

[LisaB]

But then we would know wouldn't we?

The families had been friends. There would be nothing incriminating about his friend and neighbor being in his car.

 

[RSC]

I agree. Child support aside, if his wife was threatening that he could never see his child again unless he cut ties with EC, that might have also been motivation.

I don't think he really cared about either Erin or his wife. He had an affair, thus cheating on wife and then tried to deny even knowing Erin. And the paying of child support for years on end is a motive for either CL or NL, Imo. This payment would affect his family, if he stays with his wife, for years to come.

 

[RSC]

IMO that doesn't fit with the texts she sent her friend.

I may have missed something because I have not read all the posts, but this bothers me.
Why did Erin tell her husband she was pregnant in mid June and then two weeks later, make an arrangement with CL to
celebrate the pregnancy? I don't understand it except that maybe she was extremely confused and trying to determine
the father of the baby. I have also wondered if she committed suicide, I hope that was not a thought in her head. Too young
to have her life snapped away from her.

 

[la2cabo]

I may have missed something because I have not read all the posts, but this bothers me.
Why did Erin tell her husband she was pregnant in mid June and then two weeks later, make an arrangement with CL to
celebrate the pregnancy? I don't understand it except that maybe she was extremely confused and trying to determine
the father of the baby. I have also wondered if she committed suicide, I hope that was not a thought in her head. Too young
to have her life snapped away from her.

I've given a lot of thought to her telling JC about her pregnancy. Could it be that she simply took a pregnancy test in his presence and he read the results along with her? Not so much as "hey babe I'm pregnant!" but more of him just being present at the time she found out.