GUILTY CA - Erin Corwin, 19, pregnant, Twentynine Palms, 28 June 2014 - #7

[Woe.be.gone]

It doesn't really. He didn't purportedly go ballistic until after he started going through her things when she went missing. LE tends to believe, according to their affidavit, that CL, and possibly NL and others, are the reason she is missing. No mention of JC in that affidavit other than to provide context.

Were you there?
I, the juror, need to know if Erin was witnessed leaving the base alone the morning of June 28.

 

[Seajay]

In this scenario, where did the crime take place? They searched ECs home so not there. They live on base so it would have to be there somewhere - after this much time I would think they would find the crime scene if it happened on base.

True, and NCIS would be taking the lead on this case if that happened, it's totally in their jurisdiction.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

True, and NCIS would be taking the lead on this case if that happened, it's totally in their jurisdiction.

Either way I believe because the crime would have happened prior to CL's release from the Marine Corps on July 7.

 

[smc1225]

Either way I believe because the crime would have happened prior to CL's release from the Marine Corps on July 7.

Not if it happened off base. I don't believe they would have jurisdiction.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Remember part of the disconnect from the usual about this case is LE refuses to state any details as to anyone's whereabouts the 28th.
If it wasn't for the cursory Probability statement doc (that wasn't supposed to go public), we wouldn't know anything.
I mean who would you blame if this happened to you? Not yourself (and there's a little bit of truth there).

 

[Seajay]

Either way I believe because the crime would have happened prior to CL's release from the Marine Corps on July 7.

NCIS is involved in the investigation for that reason but they are not lead. A friend of mine who retired for the USN with 22 years said that NCIS will back off and leave the case to SBCSO and have minimal involvement because he was still in the USMC when the crime occurred. But if the crime was actually committed on the base, NCIS would be lead. FWIW.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Not if it happened off base. I don't believe they would have jurisdiction.

I don't know where it happened. Just want to know if Erin was witnessed on camera leaving base or entering anywhere else on June 28. We know they've checked all cameras by now. We know the car she was said to be driving. So did that car leave base while Erin was driving it? Why won't LE offer that evidence at least?

 

[smc1225]

I don't know where it happened. Just want to know if Erin was witnessed on camera leaving base or entering anywhere else on June 28. We know they've checked all cameras by now. We know the car she was said to be driving. So did that car drive off base while Erin was driving it? Why won't LE offer that evidence at least?

Right but you were saying that NCIS would be lead because it happened prior to CLs leaving the Marines. CLs leaving the Marines would have nothing to do with NCIS being the lead on this unless it happened on base.

 

[cluciano63]

I think the car was left where it was due to stupidity/not planning that part of the crime. It would have been much smarter, Imo, to hide the car where it might never be found, to make it look like Erin got upset and left.

My image of Erin does not allow for that theory (leaving on her own). Maybe if she had been gone overnight, or headed to TN, but not otherwise. I don't have the impression she could manage, emotionally or otherwise, to hide herself for a month. Especially once the search became national news, her parents flying out to CA, etc which she had to know they would do. Some dirty laundry is hardly worth all of that, especially since she had told at least one person about the affair and pregnancy (friend in TN).

 

[Woe.be.gone]

I'm not sure but from the pictures I saw, they lived next door in a separate building, different duplex.

The search warrants were for units D and F. So they may be separated by one other unit in between?
Earlier someone posted they are townhouses making them two story units versus apartment style units.

 

[Mrs. Gladden]

Not if it happened off base. I don't believe they would have jurisdiction.

I was thinking of the Sgt. Brent Burke case. He was tried in 4 civilian courts for the murder of his estranged wife and her former mother-in-law. All 4 trials ended in mistrials and the state dropped all charges. Burke was returned to the military. At that point, the military took up the case & tried it. Burke was found guilty.

At this point, it's doubtful a crime was committed on base and another point is that CL has already been discharged. I've wondered, though, if the military might come back at a later date as they did in the Burke case.

 

[DocBrew]

I am as skeptical of police as the next guy - probably more so - but the leaked affidavit is compelling enough for me to discount the idea that she didn't leave the base that AM. They stated that they believe she met and was with CL that AM, so they would need to have evidence of such to compel a judge to issue a warrant for his property. They could not get a warrant on an alleged affair alone. JMO.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Right but you were saying that NCIS would be lead because it happened prior to CLs leaving the Marines. CLs leaving the Marines would have nothing to do with NCIS being the lead on this unless it happened on base.

Did I say the lead? NCIS is involved now even though the main theory involves a marine and an off base crime afaik.
Posted above is a link where NCIS gives an explanation why they're on the case. FBI/NCIS they don't have to tell the public the truth; they're supposed to be incognito in many circumstances. NCIS says they're helping to bridge the gap between military and civilian law enforcement. Makes sense since Sheriff's people can't just bust on base and do what they want to do. Regardless where the crime took place, I think it is a good thing the two entities are working together. The military police aren't in the business of covering for people who kill civilians. It isn't personal like that at all imo. If someone does something wrong, a commander doesn't cover for him. If you fail to tell your superior commander about an incident s/he should have known about yesterday, you can get in trouble yourself. It's a call at each level a leader has to make but they're trained in those protocols when they are promoted into those positions.

 

[misplaced Texan]

I was thinking of the Sgt. Brent Burke case. He was tried in 4 civilian courts for the murder of his estranged wife and her former mother-in-law. All 4 trials ended in mistrials and the state dropped all charges. Burke was returned to the military. At that point, the military took up the case & tried it. Burke was found guilty.

At this point, it's doubtful a crime was committed on base and another point is that CL has already been discharged. I've wondered, though, if the military might come back at a later date as they did in the Burke case.

Yes and same thing with the Jeffrey MacDonald case as well as Timothy Hennis.

 

[misplaced Texan]

True, and NCIS would be taking the lead on this case if that happened, it's totally in their jurisdiction.

Yes and regardless where it happened, if military personnel are involved, the UCMJ applies, and the military law enforcement agencies can assert jurisdiction. It isn't necessarily exclusive, however.

Jurisdiction applies by either territory (on or off base, for example) or by association. All military personnel are subject to the UCMJ at all times. If a military person commits a crime off base, the civilian authorities usually start the investigation. In many cases, they will notify the military police agency of the offending service member. A joint investigation may happen, but not always. In some cases, the civilians get first dibs and when they are done, the military picks up the case.

And even if something happened after his discharge date of 7-7 (which I don't think is the case), I still believe this could apply since CL was in the Individual Ready Reserve.

 

[rosesfromangels]

I think the car was left where it was due ti stupidity/nit planning that part of the crime. It would have been much smarter, Imo, to hide the car where it might never be found, to make it look like Erin got upset and left.

My image of Erin does not allow for that theory (leaving on her own). Maybe if she had been gone overnight, or headed to TN, but not otherwise. I don't have the impression she could manage, emotionally or otherwise, to hide herself for a month. Especially once the search became national news, her parents flying out to CA, etc which she had to know they would do. Some dirty laundry is hardly worth all of that, especially since she had told at least one person about the affair and pregnancy (friend in TN).

The car being left where it was is a very important point. It suggests many different things potentially:
...they did intend to come back but something went wrong unplanned
...the perp wanted it found
...erin wanted it found
...left out of panic

the list could go on. Its telling, but of what?

 

[Woe.be.gone]

True, and NCIS would be taking the lead on this case if that happened, it's totally in their jurisdiction.

Either way I believe because the crime would have happened prior to CL's release from the Marine Corps on July 7.

NCIS is involved in the investigation for that reason but they are not lead. A friend of mine who retired for the USN with 22 years said that NCIS will back off and leave the case to SBCSO and have minimal involvement because he was still in the USMC when the crime occurred. But if the crime was actually committed on the base, NCIS would be lead. FWIW.

Right but you were saying that NCIS would be lead because it happened prior to CLs leaving the Marines. CLs leaving the Marines would have nothing to do with NCIS being the lead on this unless it happened on base.

Did I say the lead? NCIS is involved now even though the main theory involves a marine and an off base crime afaik.
Posted above is a link where NCIS gives an explanation why they're on the case. FBI/NCIS they don't have to tell the public the truth; they're supposed to be incognito in many circumstances. NCIS says they're helping to bridge the gap between military and civilian law enforcement. Makes sense since Sheriff's people can't just bust on base and do what they want to do. Regardless where the crime took place, I think it is a good thing the two entities are working together. The military police aren't in the business of covering for people who kill civilians. It isn't personal like that at all imo. If someone does something wrong, a commander doesn't cover for him. If you fail to tell your superior commander about an incident s/he should have known about yesterday, you can get in trouble yourself. It's a call at each level a leader has to make but they're trained in those protocols when they are promoted into those positions.

Just to be clear, and I think there's been a misunderstanding, I wasn't focused on who is the lead law enforcement agency handling Erin's case. I could care less about who that is. I see how the topic of the lead came to be but I wasn't even thinking about that. The more LE involved the greater the chance they'll get to the bottom of what happened (I hope).

I wouldn't read too much into that and believe they are cooperating. Which court the case ends up in, will be determined when all the evidence is collected after an arrest is made.

btw, NCIS is involved ~ and it is thought the crime happened at JT, right? (no matter who the perp)
Lead or not they are involved. :waitasec: Now, what's the issue?

 

[Woe.be.gone]

I think the car was left where it was due ti stupidity/nit planning that part of the crime. It would have been much smarter, Imo, to hide the car where it might never be found, to make it look like Erin got upset and left.

My image of Erin does not allow for that theory (leaving on her own). Maybe if she had been gone overnight, or headed to TN, but not otherwise. I don't have the impression she could manage, emotionally or otherwise, to hide herself for a month. Especially once the search became national news, her parents flying out to CA, etc which she had to know they would do. Some dirty laundry is hardly worth all of that, especially since she had told at least one person about the affair and pregnancy (friend in TN).

Not leaving, leaving on her own. Leaving off base to go meet CL. That's what I want to know. If she drove herself off base the morning of June 28th. She didn't leave in CL's car to go off base and we know her car was found off base. We don't know who put her car where it was found.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Everyone keep dancing around the point I'm trying to make - don't worry, I'm usually wrong anyway.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

I'm actually angry right now. One thing at a time. Was Erin seen on camera driving her vehicle off base on the morning of June 28. This video should be easy to locate because the time was 7:00 a.m. or maybe a little bit later than that.