GUILTY CA - Erin Corwin, 19, pregnant, Twentynine Palms, 28 June 2014 - #8

[Cherry]

Two answers: Jealousy and Possession. The two oldest reasons in the world. We've seen many a case where the man in the said case, actually feels that the woman; in an affair ....shouldn't be sleeping with their intended other. This is also as old as time. Seen it a million times in a case. It's jealousy and Possesiveness, as in I own you; married or not. Sometimes in an affair men also justify...that they go home to their wives and of course sleep with them but feel the woman in no way should have that right. This is truth...seen in many times. Ownership. Esp with a possible child involved. Because Erin had made future plans with her mother, and other plans I don't really feel she is a suicide. I just dont get that vibe in this case at all. It seems to me it's pretty straight fwd. Last person with her; would be my main POI, and there may be two in this case. And that will not shock or surprise me. Think about the case in Arlington, the threesome case years ago...all three were cadets all three lived by a code all three broke said code and two murdered the third party to get rid of her. It was a sad case, as sad as Erins. I kept hoping she would turn up in TN, maybe was on her way home, but there is no evidence that she took out money or packed a bag to leave for a trip of any kind, let alone even a short trip to JTNP. I think that knowing both CL's and his wifes alibi for certain that morning is KEY. Did she work? Where was SHE that morning and did they have two cars, did they recently sell one a red one, due to impending move? most due when they are leaving a tour of duty and moving home. Most families have two cars did CL have two vehicles? Did they recently sell one? That is one fact; that needs to be ruled OUT. And if so, if they had a second or even third car, it could be parked somewhere with Erin's body or remains in it. That's another possibility that I think on. I hope they have checked ALL dmv records for his family vehicles.

 

[Cherry]

It is true it would be great to verifiy ALL alibi's that morning. The fact that JC cancelled his plans for that day....is also just as suspect as the "I went hunting" alibi. Trashing your apt after your wife up and disappears, could be normal in any marriage. I know that if days went by and there were no answers I might trash the place too. I can see that as actually happening....esp if he didn't know about the pregnancy, and then was told by LE that CL was a possible rival, an affair took place, etc. Yes, I'd trash the place too...as everything in that home was a lie at that point....But I do agree...I'd like the base records, for each gate of the base to see exactly who left and who came and went and what time exactly. We need that. Rather LE hopefully has that...

 

[NYC Girl]

To further flesh out one hypothesis: Erin rationally knows that her best future is with JC and has told him she's pregnant with his baby (maybe true, maybe not). I mean, it is a given, because JC doesn't think she is still fooling around. All parties are at the outdoor gathering. JC excitedly announces "they" are pregnant, having no idea the affair is ongoing. Maybe CL already knows Erin is pregnant, maybe he doesn't. Maybe Erin was planning to just let him go to Alaska none the wiser as to the pregnancy, whether it was his baby or not, not realizing her husband would spill the beans. She wants to get out of there; so she says she is sick. CL texts her, asking her what the heck. She tells him the baby is his and that she is just making JC think it is his. He is secretly jealous and furious, realizing she has recently been intimate with JC. He says, "Ok, then go out with me tomorrow. We will celebrate. I'll take you to a surprise place. It will be fun and we can figure out how we can make all this work. Make up an excuse and meet me." He is very charming and she goes. After he does her in somehow, he tells his wife, frantically, "She was carrying my baby, and I ended her for you! This is how much I love you. You've got to provide me with an alibi" (and maybe - "You've got to help me move her car.") Maybe NL drives the car from a meeting location we don't know about to the place Beasley originally saw it. They leave and are spotted by Beasley. They get paranoid and go back and move the car. IM likes the couple because she has been around them so much, along with their daughter. She says Erin through NLs eyes, as a troublemaker who had threatened their marriage. This causes her to try to help them even though she suspects CL did something to Erin.

 

[missgulfsouth]

Two answers: Jealousy and Possession. The two oldest reasons in the world. We've seen many a case where the man in the said case, actually feels that the woman; in an affair ....shouldn't be sleeping with their intended other. This is also as old as time. Seen it a million times in a case. It's jealousy and Possesiveness, as in I own you; married or not. Sometimes in an affair men also justify...that they go home to their wives and of course sleep with them but feel the woman in no way should have that right. This is truth...seen in many times. Ownership.

Yes, the Texas Cadet Murder ... I remember it well.
And I still don't understand the crazy "man" thinking you describe ... I guess if I did, I would be crazy, too.

 

[CrackThatCase]

BBM. Is this a known fact or FB rumor? If this is true ... wow. Very telling.

Rumor from an apparent neighbor. This has not been stated as definite truth.

I would probably get drunk and take it out on my apartment too if I just discovered that my spouse was STILL cheating on me and my apparent child may be someone else's and the love of my life is now missing. I am not a violent person by any means, but a highly frustrating and emotional situation like this could drive someone to this sort of reaction quite easily - JMO

 

[maskedwoman]

And (from the audio interview) is better than most at pulling random dates out of her memory in mere seconds without even pausing to think.....

Yes and I'm a little skeptical of that. I couldn't tell you for sure what happened in my life in a certain month, much less someone else's, unless it was a big deal. Someone else's friendship cooling off wouldn't really hit my radar that hard.

 

[maskedwoman]

Imo everything related to pregnancy seems to be someone quoting what Erin said, or what JC said Erin said. I wonder if either pregnancy was confirmed and whether she was being seen either time. And if went to,a hospital after or during miscarriage. Just kind of wondering if maybe she was testing CL's reaction in case she got,pregnant.

BBM: That's a scary thought. If so, it looks like she got it.

 

[missgulfsouth]

Rumor from an apparent neighbor. This has not been stated as definite truth.

I would probably get drunk and take it out on my apartment too if I just discovered that my spouse was STILL cheating on me and my apparent child may be someone else's and the love of my life is now missing. I am not a violent person by any means, but a highly frustrating and emotional situation like this could drive someone to this sort of reaction quite easily - JMO

But do we know that he found out about it that soon? This "supposedly" happened after she left that day ...

 

[tvscum]

I'm a wee bit freaked that it was stated in the media that the father of Erin's supposed baby was possibly her lover and not her husband. Why in the world would that have been reported?

Years and years ago, I had a friend who was having sex with two men at the same time. She got pregnant and, even though she terminated the pregnancy, she told one of the guys the child was his. She had no way of knowing that. One of those guys was about to marry, the one she told, wasn't. That still bothers me - 32 years later. It messed up some heads, for sure.

I stated the same thing many days ago exactly what purpose did this all serve to announce that to the public at the very beginning of her disappearance. It makes no sense to me that in itself if she is alive is enough to cause her great duress to not come forward. IMO it was sensationalism reporting. Also understand that what is reported is not set in stone (Factual). It is gathering of information not just from authorities but interviews with just the general public individuals that may know her or heard third hand about her. IMO

The notion that CL might be the father of the baby she is currently carrying came directly from LE in a sworn affidavit. The media just reported what was in the court record:

"Deputy Mackewen learned from another neighbor that Erin and Lee were having an affair. JT, Erin's friend in Tennessee, confirmed Erin and Lee were romantically involved and Erin may be pregnant with Lee’s child. Erin told JT that Lee was worried if his wife discovered Erin was pregnant, Lee’s wife would divorce him and keep him from his child."

 

[CrackThatCase]

But do we know that he found out about it?

He had reported her missing by this time and who knows exactly what he found out as he called around to her friends the night before seeing if he could locate her (which also is something we do not know for sure that he did). So yes, we do not KNOW if he knew any of this at this point. Nor do we KNOW if the whole drunk apartment trashing is even true. A lot of this case is a whole lot of not knowing!

 

[cluciano63]

Sounds to me like NL was discussing Erin quite a bit with the horse farm woman.

 

[la2cabo]

Does anybody else remember reading about some pregnancy tracker thing? I thought I read that JC had found it but not sure if it was MSM reporting it or if it was a FB rumor. No wonder the mods don't allows FB rumors ~ definitely muddies the water.

 

[Treelights]

The release about the pregnancy and possible fatherhood by the media early on is the first thing that really offered a motive for murder. Until we heard about the affair, there was nothing to show that Erin was not simply lost or abducted by a random. Jmo

Well, I have to say that I questioned the 7am leaving time from the beginning because, for me, it didn't make sense that she would leave that early and be gone until 4pm, and I understand that it gets hot later in the day so, leaving early she would beat the heat, but being out until 4pm, Erin would still be in the heat, so that never added up for me, and I questioned early on what Else was she going to do that day, because it just didn't add up for me. I am a morning person and I did not get it, so now we know there is more to the story.
IMOO.

 

[missgulfsouth]

Sounds to me like NL was discussing Erin quite a bit to the horse farm woman.

This just sounds ick.

 

[Voice4theSilent]

Agreed. It is easy to understand why they began searching JTNP initially, but to continue to do so after LE continued to gather information is what made me question. Finding the car near the base would either point to the idea that she never made it to JTNP or that she had only stayed a short period of time there & already returned. However, since LE continues to search JTNP, it makes me think there's either video and/or witness testimony placing her entering/in the park, yet nothing showing her leaving. Just a question I've had...why would they keep searching there?

BBM

I have the very same question, Mrs. G. Maybe they found tire tracks consistent with the tracks found adjacent to Erin's car on the dirt road leading into that non-camera area of JT? If her car was seen on video entering the park I believe it would have also have had to be caught on video leaving (though she may not have been the person driving it) as *I believe* she would have had to have had a 4-wheel drive vehicle to get from one of the main gates with cameras to leave the park where there aren't any cameras (and we know her car was found outside of JTNP.) Early on it was reported that there was a possible sighting of Erin and her car in JTNP however it has never been confirmed by LE if it was a valid sighting. There is just so much desolate area within a two hour radius of the base, especially if you have access to a 4-wheel drive vehicle. I really, really hope LE has specific, accurate and compelling reasons to be searching in the areas that they are. If not, sadly, I am afraid that she may never be found.

 

[missgulfsouth]

I keep wondering if she ever left the house. Is anyone else with me on that?

 

[maskedwoman]

It is true it would be great to verifiy ALL alibi's that morning. The fact that JC cancelled his plans for that day....is also just as suspect as the "I went hunting" alibi. Trashing your apt after your wife up and disappears, could be normal in any marriage. I know that if days went by and there were no answers I might trash the place too. I can see that as actually happening....esp if he didn't know about the pregnancy, and then was told by LE that CL was a possible rival, an affair took place, etc. Yes, I'd trash the place too...as everything in that home was a lie at that point....But I do agree...I'd like the base records, for each gate of the base to see exactly who left and who came and went and what time exactly. We need that. Rather LE hopefully has that...

I can also understand him trashing the place if he learned that the affair he thought was over was, in fact, still going on. He has no one to take his anguish out on, so the furniture will do. I can completely understand that.

 

[missgulfsouth]

I can also understand him trashing the place if he learned that the affair he thought was over was, in fact, still going on. He has no one to take his anguish out on, so the furniture will do. I can completely understand that.

Oh me, too! It wasn't the trashing the apartment that raised a flag with me. It's WHEN did he do it? Was it a sign of a struggle that was attempted to be covered up? Was it the morning she supposedly left? What would be the reason for anger at that time? Did they argue before she left? Or did it take place a couple of days later as things started to come to light? The timing is everything on this. Just thinking out loud ... JMO

 

[maskedwoman]

I keep wondering if she ever left the house. Is anyone else with me on that?

Not based on what we know today, but can you let us know where you think she would be if she never left the base? If she were killed on base (by anyone), it would be a big challenge to get rid of the body without being seen. I would expect LE to have found a crime scene and/or her body by now. Or for the smell (ugh, I apologize for that) to draw some unfortunate soul to where she was hidden.

 

[missgulfsouth]

Not based on what we know today, but can you let us know where you think she would be if she never left the base? If she were killed on base (by anyone), it would be a big challenge to get rid of the body without being seen. I would expect LE to have found a crime scene and/or her body by now. Or for the smell (ugh, I apologize for that) to draw some unfortunate soul to where she was hidden.

Josh Powell comes to mind here. What if she was killed during the night ... hidden in vehicle, driven to a location off base. Story made up about her going out the next morning and not seen again ........... JMO and rambling thoughts!