GUILTY CA - Erin Corwin, 19, pregnant, Twentynine Palms, 28 June 2014 - #8

[missgulfsouth]

When I first read his description of events I assumed this all happened in front of his house but in the interview I noticed the interviewer said he was passing by when he noticed all this .I am wondering how was he passing by?Was he in a vehicle or was he walking?

Exactly what I was thinking. How many people would notice so many details about something so random?

 

[sreshowtime]

Do I recall correctly IM mentioning the Mcstay's name, that it came up in that presumed conversation about 'no body, no case'??

I was looking at the map in relation to another case out there tonight & it struck me how close to 29 Palms this was

Victorville & where they were found is less than 2 hours from 29 P
right in here is where the McStays were found
34.595001, -117.258621

did someone have in interest in 'crime'?
I guess getting someone to look out in that area would be hard....

 

[Meemaw12]

http://www.wbir.com/story/news/loca...840645/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Friends host fundraiser for Erin Corwin's family

 

[phantomthought]

Exactly what I was thinking. How many people would notice so many details about something so random?

I was also wondering how you would have enough time to observe so much as you passed by in your vehicle.She got out of her car,locked it walked to the other car got in then he observes them sitting in the car chatting then watches them drive away.

 

[tvscum]

Do I recall correctly IM mentioning the Mcstay's name, that it came up in that presumed conversation about 'no body, no case'??

I was looking at the map in relation to another case out there tonight & it struck me how close to 29 Palms this was

Victorville & where they were found is less than 2 hours from 29 P
right in here is where the McStays were found
34.595001, -117.258621

did someone have in interest in 'crime'?
I guess getting someone to look out in that area would be hard....

IM mentioned the Scott Peterson case, not McStays.

 

[tvscum]

Don't want to get anyone's hopes up, I think I learned my lesson last night. But to the poster who thought it might be Mojave: The sheriff's department found a "burned out" Toyota, about two thirds of the way to Mojave preserve from 29. They found it at a spot north of the National Trails Highway and southwest of the Clipper mountains wilderness area.
Google Maps search: " 34.64435, -115.46381 "
It was found about half an hour before they found Erin's Toyota on Monday.

What archive scanner file is this in (in Pacific Time), the June 30th starting at 8:19am file?

 

[sreshowtime]

thx tv...oh well heck it was a thought

 

[MissM31]

I can absolutely understand... out in the middle of nowhere like that, of course you'd be observant. It's not like much else is going on!

 

[IntriguedAgain]

walking around to check the passenger side is something a person VERY familiar with a car usually does not do....wasn't Erin's car a 2011 model? I know all 2011 Toyota's have Auto-locking doors as standard ...so that seals it for me that it was NOT Erin who was seen at the car.
http://www.cars.com/toyota/camry/2011/specifications/?acode=USC10TOC021A0 Heck even 2008 models have power locking doors

I'm not sure this action has much meaning, for me personally. Also, when speculating on the person walking around to check the passenger side door, what does that mean? Does that mean they tried the door handle but the door was locked, just peeked in the window, etc.? I need more information (yet again, ha) to give meaning to this action. For instance, I drive a new vehicle and I go around to the passenger side all the time to retrieve items rather than dragging them across the console into the driver's seat. Sometimes I'm distracted with kids, phone, randomness, and I lock the car on autopilot and then remember my purse, or other items. I usually don't realize it's already locked until I lift the handle and it the door won't open. I'm not checking to make sure the car is locked even though it might seem that way to someone glancing in my direction. It's hard to say, but for me, this issue doesn't sway me one way or the other regarding the identity of the woman.

~Let's say it was Erin: I'm not saying the hunting story is true, I'm just speculating that if she thought she was going hunting in the desert, she would most likely have prepared a daypack with water, sunscreen, food, etc. She might have placed it on the front passenger side seat, back seat on either side, or in the trunk. It's hard to say without knowing her usual habit. Let's say she had a pack and placed it in the front on the passenger seat, I would think the pack would be easier to gather from the the passenger side rather than dragging it across to the drivers side before getting out.

~Let's say it was NL: I'm sure she would want to wipe the passenger side door handle off before abandoning the car. She would want to erase any evidence that she, or CL, were ever in that car. Or maybe she saw the car driving by and she was already out of Erin's car and she was afraid to draw attention to herself. In that case she might have walked around to the passenger side to give the impression that she was fine, but having car trouble and she was looking at damage or checking things before she left in the other car. She resembled Erin and leaving a disabled car to retrieve later is far less suspicious than someone abandoning a working car in the middle of nowhere for no reason. Another scenario is the same as above. Items were left on the passenger side and she went around the car to retrieve them rather than pull them across.

Yet again, who knows?

 

[sreshowtime]

ohh Good thought Intrigued, about a day pack.........yet nothing has been disclosed if anything related to something like that was and is missing...if she took water/snacks/etc...did LE even ask JC?

 

[IntriguedAgain]

Recall that MB and his sister first started discussing the BLUE vehicle when they looked out their back door and saw massive amounts of LE and a helicopter searching the desert near their home. The abandoned blue vehicle was in the middle of the search area. So, that would be when the siblings would have started sharing their memories with each other, probably before LE came knocking at their door canvassing the neighborhood. I can imaging their conversation. "I've seen that car sitting there for two days." "Yeah, but when I saw it, it was closer to the road." "Hey, I remember it being closer to the road too and I remember seeing a woman getting out of it..." etc etc etc. So, their memories would have been influenced by each other before LE even took their statements.

Also -- because I keep seeing this issue pop up -- only MB saw the so-called "rendezvous." His sister Jessica only saw the blue car sitting near the road. She did not witness the rendezvous.

Agreed.

 

[nikb]

Exactly what I was thinking. How many people would notice so many details about something so random?

I have a busybody neighbor that would notice, guaranteed. We live in a basic suburban neighborhood and we've caught this guy just sitting in his front window staring down our house and others nearby before. I thought we were being paranoid until one of my husband's friends was creeped out and asked "what is up with your neighbor?! why is he staring at us?" Same guy has reported various neighbors for 'violations' that didn't even make any sense (example, calling child protective services on people who didn't have any kids - he just didn't like the noise their pets were making and figured he'd get a better response from CPS).

I'm not trying to say anything nefarious with the witness in Erin's case, as I tend to think he's generally fairly credible, but I can totally see someone paying an inordinate amount of attention to something going on nearby, especially in a remote area. I can also see how eyewitness bias could have his story 'off' a little bit even if it's what he's sure or almost sure he saw. I don't think he's doing anything 'wrong' per se and I applaud him for going to LE, but maybe he didn't see quite what he thought he saw.

 

[Meemaw12]

http://www.desertsun.com/story/news...855929/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

No new leads in Erin Corwin case
Denise Goolsby, The Desert Sun 10:58 p.m. PDT August 9, 2014

(Snipped)

The last official update released on the search for Corwin was released July 22 by the San Bernardino County Sheriff's Department. At that time, detectives announced they had received information regarding possible locations to be searched for potential evidence of foul play.
"We are looking for a crime scene," Capt. Leland Bolt, head the sheriff's Specialized Investigation Division, said.

"Although suspicious circumstances have existed from the inception of this investigation, there is still not enough evidence to rule out that Erin Corwin could be voluntarily missing," he said.

Corwin's case has been included in the California Missing Persons database. She is reported as a "Voluntary Missing Adult."


There were 38,854 people reported missing in California in 2013.

The majority of them are considered voluntarily missing, which is defined as any missing adult who has left of his/her own free will.

That category is then followed by those whose disappearances are for unknown reasons or circumstances.

 

[nikb]

I'm not sure this action has much meaning, for me personally. Also, when speculating on the person walking around to check the passenger side door, what does that mean? Does that mean they tried the door handle but the door was locked, just peeked in the window, etc.? I need more information (yet again, ha) to give meaning to this action. For instance, I drive a new vehicle and I go around to the passenger side all the time to retrieve items rather than dragging them across the console into the driver's seat. Sometimes I'm distracted with kids, phone, randomness, and I lock the car on autopilot and then remember my purse, or other items. I usually don't realize it's already locked until I lift the handle and it the door won't open. I'm not checking to make sure the car is locked even though it might seem that way to someone glancing in my direction. It's hard to say, but for me, this issue doesn't sway me one way or the other regarding the identity of the woman.

~Let's say it was Erin: I'm not saying the hunting story is true, I'm just speculating that if she thought she was going hunting in the desert, she would most likely have prepared a daypack with water, sunscreen, food, etc. She might have placed it on the front passenger side seat, back seat on either side, or in the trunk. It's hard to say without knowing her usual habit. Let's say she had a pack and placed it in the front on the passenger seat, I would think the pack would be easier to gather from the the passenger side rather than dragging it across to the drivers side before getting out.

~Let's say it was NL: I'm sure she would want to wipe the passenger side door handle off before abandoning the car. She would want to erase any evidence that she, or CL, were ever in that car. Or maybe she saw the car driving by and she was already out of Erin's car and she was afraid to draw attention to herself. In that case she might have walked around to the passenger side to give the impression that she was fine, but having car trouble and she was looking at damage or checking things before she left in the other car. She resembled Erin and leaving a disabled car to retrieve later is far less suspicious than someone abandoning a working car in the middle of nowhere for no reason. Another scenario is the same as above. Items were left on the passenger side and she went around the car to retrieve them rather than pull them across.

Yet again, who knows?

I completely agree with your post Intrigued. If Erin - or NL even really - she might not have wanted to get out on the "highway" / busy road side. If Erin, maybe she preferred to get out quickly and go to the other side to get her stuff. I also wonder if she's one of those people who carries a monster sized purse that could have practically a case of water in it, sunscreen, snacks for a days, apples for horses, etc. (okay I'm exaggerating, but some of those purses are massive - I have a hard time finding a smallish one!). You're right, knowing her habits would be helpful.

 

[katydid23]

http://www.desertsun.com/story/news...855929/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

No new leads in Erin Corwin case
Denise Goolsby, The Desert Sun 10:58 p.m. PDT August 9, 2014

(Snipped)

The last official update released on the search for Corwin was released July 22 by the San Bernardino County Sheriff's Department. At that time, detectives announced they had received information regarding possible locations to be searched for potential evidence of foul play.
"We are looking for a crime scene," Capt. Leland Bolt, head the sheriff's Specialized Investigation Division, said.

"Although suspicious circumstances have existed from the inception of this investigation, there is still not enough evidence to rule out that Erin Corwin could be voluntarily missing," he said.

Corwin's case has been included in the California Missing Persons database. She is reported as a "Voluntary Missing Adult."


There were 38,854 people reported missing in California in 2013.

The majority of them are considered voluntarily missing, which is defined as any missing adult who has left of his/her own free will.

That category is then followed by those whose disappearances are for unknown reasons or circumstances.

BBM

Well, that is annoying. They obviously do not have enough evidence against our prime suspects. I think there are 3 potential POIs. But I guess there are no bloody footprints, strange fingerprints, etc that could warrant further charges at this time.

 

[sreshowtime]

voluntary missing huh....well is ANYthing personal of hers missing, at all...other than the clothes on her back...we don't even know WHAT Le found in the car or not....Is her purse even missing?


what would be an inhabited place around 2 hours away worth considering she could have been voluntarily taken to by, ahem, someone
i know that is prolly a stretch

 

[tvscum]

Don't want to get anyone's hopes up, I think I learned my lesson last night. But to the poster who thought it might be Mojave: The sheriff's department found a "burned out" Toyota, about two thirds of the way to Mojave preserve from 29. They found it at a spot north of the National Trails Highway and southwest of the Clipper mountains wilderness area.
Google Maps search: " 34.64435, -115.46381 "
It was found about half an hour before they found Erin's Toyota on Monday.

What archive scanner file is this in (in Pacific Time), the June 30th starting at 8:19am file?

DarkHorse, I found the scanner traffic. Your translation is off on those GPS coordinates, I believe. The deputy gives that LAT and LONG in a strange "degrees decimal" format. His coordinates translate to 34.107333,-115.77300 in DECIMAL format, which is near Hwy 62 and Gold Crown Rd.
https://www.google.com/maps/place/3...773,4433m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0x0

Converter here:
http://www.directionsmag.com/site/latlong-converter/

So, this is the location of an old looking burned out Toyota truck that the EC search teams first responded to on Monday morning before they found her Corolla. The audio of this initial dispatch begins on the 8:19am audio archive file at about 11:30 running time into the audio. It picks up again at the very end of the file around 27:30 running time and continues to the end of the file.

There is some chatter about it being an old truck that is pretty beat up and may have been there for a while. The teams soon realizes it is not EC's Corolla. Nevertheless, they stay on scene looking for "any of the tire track that match," meaning they already had some idea what type of Corolla tires they were looking for.

As they are out at that scene off Gold Crown Rd, they get the call that the water dept. employee has found the actual car, so they all go running over to Valle Vista and Ranch Rd.

EDIT: I posted this in the scanner forum too.

 

[nikb]

BBM

Well, that is annoying. They obviously do not have enough evidence against our prime suspects. I think there are 3 potential POIs. But I guess there are no bloody footprints, strange fingerprints, etc that could warrant further charges at this time.

That we know of... I hope there are, and we just don't know about them yet.

 

[sreshowtime]

IIRC, doesn't Erin have a birth brother some where in California? If so, any idea where? Ever any contact??
yeah it's a stretch, what else is there but to ponder


hmmm Camp Pendleton is about 2 hours away...that is a marine base too.hmm

 

[MzOpinion8d]

I think the Perp or the Perps accomplice (and YES I do think there was an accomplice), was looking for something in that car. Her phone, a note, a camera? Further, I just betcha, that LE will determine the car had recently been "wiped down" with alcohol or disinfectant to remove prints, etc.
While I don't think the Horse Ranch woman is the Perp herself, I think she knows a lot more than she is saying. I think she appears far too sympathetic to the L couple, and most especially CL....to the point where I have laser focused on her as a person with additional "insights" that she needs to share with LE.

Just all opinion and speculation.

Totally agree. I posted a very similar comment on another board a few days ago!