GUILTY CA - Erin Corwin, 19, pregnant, Twentynine Palms, 28 June 2014 - #8

[smc1225]

The problem that I have with the red car sighting is that LE seems to be discounting it. No mention of it in the Cause paperwork and no attempt to look for red cars at the base or the ranch. Why would they ignore such an important piece of the puzzle?

And why didn't LE ask her husband and her family anything about anyone driving a red car? The family said they were not told anything about a red car. Why wouldn't LE ask them about it if they were looking for one?

I think the red car was a rabbit hole. jmo :nuts:

How do we know LE is discounting it? We don't have all the search warrants - we just have the probable cause statement they used to get the specific search warrants pertaining to IM's ranch and NL/CL stuff that was there. We have no idea what else they have looked for, what else they have stated to back up those search warrants.

I'm not saying that the 'red car' exists - I am just saying that we are now dismissing a witness who has been pretty consistent in all his interviews based on the word of someone on FB. Someone in the 'media' who has input into what stories are written about and yet - nothing on this has been posted on the news site. That makes me hesitate before accepting what he is saying.

 

[sophiebelle]

Well another Monday, and nothing new. I have to wonder if there is not one new piece of info or evidence since the ranch, or if LE has learned to be quiet. They started out by being so secretive, and then we had a rush of info, then nothing.

 

[moonbeams]

Perhaps they have video of EC's car leaving JTNP, but she was not driving...

Picture this:
EC goes to the park early to meet CL. Both CL and EC cars are seen entering the park.

NL is ALREADY in the park, with a red car.

Something happens.

CL drives red car out of park. NL drives EC's car out, which is seen on video.

The 10:30 exchange happens how MB said it happened. CL and NL hurry because they have been seen.

CL and NL drive red car back to the park. They send the red car into a mine.

They leave in the jeep.

They RETURN to EC's car to get some things, because they had hurried before. This explains the jeep tracks.

Then they return home in jeep.

Red car is gone forever.

Not saying this happened, just saying I'm not sure there are holes...

BBM

IMO the bolded scenario can't take place because the probable cause statement mentions one set of footprints going away from EC's car that disappear at the jeep tire tracks. Bolded scenario would mean tracks to and from the vehicle.

 

[moonbeams]

Well another Monday, and nothing new. I have to wonder if there is not one new piece of info or evidence since the ranch, or if LE has learned to be quiet. They started out by being so secretive, and then we had a rush of info, then nothing.

BBM

IMO they've always been secretive and the few leaks were purely accidental and they really were upset about them as, IMO were not meant to be leaked. They've tightened up the leaks.

 

[moonbeams]

Who told you this? When? Is there anything to back this up? I'd like to see it if there's information stating this.

How do we know LE is discounting it? We don't have all the search warrants - we just have the probable cause statement they used to get the specific search warrants pertaining to IM's ranch and NL/CL stuff that was there. We have no idea what else they have looked for, what else they have stated to back up those search warrants.

I'm not saying that the 'red car' exists - I am just saying that we are now dismissing a witness who has been pretty consistent in all his interviews based on the word of someone on FB. Someone in the 'media' who has input into what stories are written about and yet - nothing on this has been posted on the news site. That makes me hesitate before accepting what he is saying.

BBM: I said something similar when he first posted this.

Perhaps someone can contact Z1077 and ask the owner of that radio station why they haven't posted a news story regarding dismissing MB's story?

I'm not completely ready to dismiss his dismissal as he does have his nose in everything (IMO) in this area and they (Z1077) were the first to run a story saying EC had a boyfriend.

 

[77DarkHorse7]

BBM

IMO the bolded scenario can't take place because the probably cause statement mentions one set of foot prints going away from EC's car that disappear at the jeep tire tracks. Bolded scenario would mean tracks to and from the vehicle.

Unless one person moves the car 100 feet further in, and then walks away leaving one set of foot prints going away from EC's car.

 

[phantomthought]

Unless one person moves the car 100 feet further in, and then walks away leaving one set of foot prints going away from EC's car.

I do not even see the purpose of moving the car a 100 feet further in.It is a wide open desert.It is not like you are trying to make the car less visible from the road or hiding it behind some trees.

 

[maskedwoman]

The problem that I have with the red car sighting is that LE seems to be discounting it. No mention of it in the Cause paperwork and no attempt to look for red cars at the base or the ranch. Why would they ignore such an important piece of the puzzle?

And why didn't LE ask her husband and her family anything about anyone driving a red car? The family said they were not told anything about a red car. Why wouldn't LE ask them about it if they were looking for one?

I think the red car was a rabbit hole. jmo :nuts:

BBM I haven't been able to make the red car fit with what we know today either, but I don't think we can conclude LE has made no attempt to figure out the red car report. I'm sure LE has busily been up to many things we don't know about. I know that the family disavowed the red car sighting and they may be right, but I'm not sure we can count on that either.

 

[moonbeams]

I do not even see the purpose of moving the car a 100 feet further in.It is a wide open desert.It is not like you are trying to make the car less visible from the road or hiding it behind some trees.

Exactly! I don't think the car was moved once it was parked.

 

[Voice4theSilent]

BBM: I said something similar when he first posted this.

Perhaps someone can contact Z1077 and ask the owner of that radio station why they haven't posted a news story regarding dismissing MB's story?

I'm not completely ready to dismiss his dismissal as he does have his nose in everything (IMO) in this area and they (Z1077) were the first to run a story saying EC had a boyfriend.

I, too, find it odd that this man is willing to post on FB that MB isn't a credible witness however won't back his statement up with an article. MOO Z1077 came across as super proud to have had "the scoop" on some information in Erin's disappearance before anyone else. They didn't get the "red car, blue car moved" scoop first. Wonder if that has anything to do with him discrediting MB's account on FB?

 

[Advocate4]

With regard to the red car, my thought has been that this may be the reason why LE has Erin noted as "voluntary missing". If they believe the red car sighting, and if they have reason to believe that the young woman with the pony tail and ball cap was in fact Erin, then this would be the last known sighting of her and she was apparently voluntarily getting into a red car with an unknown person.

Also, didn't MB say that he had reported what he saw fairly early on to LE, but that it seemed to him that LE didn't follow up on this? Maybe they did follow up -- for all we know LE could be quietly checking out red cars.

 

[77DarkHorse7]

Okay, back to the drawing board.. Guys, we're making a huge assumption here, that the car had always been red and that it continues to be red right now. I'd assume that during his military training Chris learned about camouflage. What if it was his Jeep all along that was camouflaged to look like a red car? Check these out: http://www.coverking.com/custom-car-covers.html

Scenario:

-Chris buys a red car cover, and modifies it, cutting holes for doors, windows and plates etc.
-He tells Erin he wants to take her hunting. (hunting is about the only thing he can do for this to work)
-He covers up his Jeep and spray-paints the doors red with washable paint.
-Meet-up occurs, Erin asks 'what the hell is going on with your car Chris'
-Chris says "oh, well I wanna do some shooting from the car too, so I camouflaged 'er"
-He continues: "don't want to spook the game with a dark car, you know"
-Erin says "well, okay" (thinking "my boyfriend can be such a nutcase sometimes")
-After he's done with the day's "activities", he drives to another remote location and takes the cover off
-then goes through a carwash a couple times to wash the paint off
-He then hides the car cover in a cabinet in the garage(that the police later neglect to search)
-Heads off to sleep.


O/T Coverking sounds like some kind of Eastern European variation of Twerking doesn't it?

 

[NYC Girl]

DarkHorse, that makes as much sense as anything else that has come up. Thanks for sharing.

 

[tvscum]

I think LE was a bit embarrassed when MB first gave his interview on TV and they hurried up and re-interviewed him and his sister the next morning. I think, privately, LE does not believe the red car report is related. They have timeline problems with MB and his sister's report. However, LE is not willing to say on the record that they don't believe MB. This is why the media cannot report it, because no one from SBCSD will go on the record and say the MB story is false. In fact, LE is not going on the record and saying anything, which is part of the problem.

Even after they found the Jeep tire tracks, LE said nothing like, "We believe Erin may have been transported in a Jeep Cherokee and we are asking members of the public who may have seen a dark colored Jeep in the desert to give us a call." Nothing like that was put out. Why? Were they afraid of getting too many false leads? Who knows.

I have spoken to MB on his cell phone. He tells me he is not color blind. He believes the woman he saw could have been either NL or EC but he can't be sure either way.

Regarding the search of JTNP. Keep in mind that they have not limited their search to JTNP. They also have searched outlying areas to the east, to the north, and near the base. This tells me the search is not based solely on surveillance video of EC entering the park and not exiting, for example. It may be they only have video of EC leaving the base, we don't know.

However, we do know that LE is searching old, abandoned mines; and not just abandoned mines inside JTNP. This tells me that LE discovered that CL had searched mine locations on his computer. If that is the case, it makes perfect sense that LE would be searching mine locations all over the place, not just inside JTNP, which is exactly what they have been doing.

 

[shadetree44]

I think LE was a bit embarrassed when MB first gave his interview on TV and they hurried up and re-interviewed him and his sister the next morning. I think, privately, LE does not believe the red car report is related. They have timeline problems with MB and his sister's report. However, LE is not willing to say on the record that they don't believe MB. This is why the media cannot report it, because no one from SBCSD will go on the record and say the MB story is false. In fact, LE is not going on the record and saying anything, which is part of the problem.

Even after they found the Jeep tire tracks, LE said nothing like, "We believe Erin may have been transported in a Jeep Cherokee and we are asking members of the public who may have seen a dark colored Jeep in the desert to give us a call." Nothing like that was put out. Why? Were they afraid of getting too many false leads? Who knows.

I have spoken to MB on his cell phone. He tells me he is not color blind. He believes the woman he saw could have been either NL or EC but he can't be sure either way.

Regarding the search of JTNP. Keep in mind that they have not limited their search to JTNP. They also have searched outlying areas to the east, to the north, and near the base. This tells me the search is not based solely on surveillance video of EC entering the park and not exiting, for example. It may be they only have video of EC leaving the base, we don't know.

However, we do know that LE is searching old, abandoned mines; and not just abandoned mines inside JTNP. This tells me that LE discovered that CL had searched mine locations on his computer. If that is the case, it makes perfect sense that LE would be searching mine locations all over the place, not just inside JTNP, which is exactly what they have been doing.

Thanks for the info on your conversation with MB. Confirmed missing data for meI still think the sighting and time line plan a part in this case. Also your observation that possibly search info on CL's computer might prove helpful is great insight. As you said, this is probably the reason for LE's search pattern. They need to find this girl. I don't think this is a random act. Either she took a powder or we have foul play.

 

[phantomthought]

I wonder why is it that MB with his extraordinary ability to observe and memorize can not provide even a partial license plate number.

 

[maskedwoman]

Okay, back to the drawing board.. Guys, we're making a huge assumption here, that the car had always been red and that it continues to be red right now. I'd assume that during his military training Chris learned about camouflage. What if it was his Jeep all along that was camouflaged to look like a red car? Check these out: http://www.coverking.com/custom-car-covers.html

Scenario:

-Chris buys a red car cover, and modifies it, cutting holes for doors, windows and plates etc.
-He tells Erin he wants to take her hunting. (hunting is about the only thing he can do for this to work)
-He covers up his Jeep and spray-paints the doors red with washable paint.
-Meet-up occurs, Erin asks 'what the hell is going on with your car Chris'
-Chris says "oh, well I wanna do some shooting from the car too, so I camouflaged 'er"
-He continues: "don't want to spook the game with a dark car, you know"
-Erin says "well, okay" (thinking "my boyfriend can be such a nutcase sometimes")
-After he's done with the day's "activities", he drives to another remote location and takes the cover off
-then goes through a carwash a couple times to wash the paint off
-He then hides the car cover in a cabinet in the garage(that the police later neglect to search)
-Heads off to sleep.


O/T Coverking sounds like some kind of Eastern European variation of Twerking doesn't it?

I'm sorry, but I just can't see how that would work. First, I think most people know the point of camo for hunting is to blend in to the background and a red car cover is not going to do that. Erin was from a small town in a hunting state. She would not believe that for a second. Plus, even a pretty decent car cover will barely stay on a parked car in a stiff wind. Really high dollar ones might do better, but no way would any of them stay put while driving around, with large holes cut in it as you described. He might even get pulled over, as I doubt it would be legal to drive around with that going on. Plus, a car cover isn't going to camouflage the shape of a Jeep to look like a much smaller car. Short of having one special made, which would be expensive, I don't think a car cover for a car would even fit on a Jeep. I also don't think you could fool a passerby into thinking a fabric car cover is the shiny finish of a fairly new car. It would have looked so odd MB might not have even noticed the woman getting in the car.

 

[maskedwoman]

I wonder why is it that MB with his extraordinary ability to observe and memorize can not provide even a partial license plate number.

What if the cars are facing the wrong way? Does CA have plates on the both ends or just on the back?

 

[tvscum]

I wonder why is it that MB with his extraordinary ability to observe and memorize can not provide even a partial license plate number.

He drove by once. There is no way he would have noticed a license plate. I think the only reason why he slowed down was because the thought a woman might be in trouble (with a broken down car).

 

[77DarkHorse7]

Clean out your PM mailbox DarkHorse. You have exceeded your max.

Done.