GUILTY CA - Erin Corwin, 19, pregnant, Twentynine Palms, 28 June 2014 - #9

[Dallen]

I missed that somehow today. Dang. He really did believe she would never be found.

I hadn't seen it before reading Ramos' statement in that article.

 

[MissM31]

BBM.... Military members are not " trained to kill " they are "trained to PROTECT " .

And in protecting, comes killing. You are probably in the military, so I understand where you are coming from, but I dated a military guy and I know how much trauma they go through in their training and while out in the battlefield on their tours. In essence, they are trained to shoot and kill, in order to protect, yes.

 

[Seajay]

And in protecting, comes killing. You are probably in the military, so I understand where you are coming from, but I dated a military guy and I know how much trauma they go through in their training and while out in the battlefield on their tours. In essence, they are trained to shoot and kill, in order to protect, yes.

And in order to survive!

 

[Dallen]

A huge pet peeve of mine is the constant reference to military servicemen and their training to kill. They are not trained to go around killing innocent civilians. They are trained to protect themselves, comrades, and homeland. It doesn't mean they are void of emotions when it comes to harming another individual. It doesn't mean they are more likely than your average Joe to become a murderer "because of their training".

 

[Dallen]

That being said, I bet anything it will be used in his defense. PTSD.

 

[cluciano63]

I honestly can't see him putting the tires down there to burn. Burning tires makes so much smoke that it would be seen from miles around. It would have called attention to the mine shaft and that's the last thing he would have wanted. That would have been a stupid move. No one has claimed this fool was a genius but even he has to know that burning tires down that shaft would have had everyone in the area within half an hour. IMO, FWIW.

Plus, the mine would likely have been found sooner, with signs of a fire nearby.

 

[Voice4theSilent]

I can't speak for others but that's where I am... they recovered rebar that matched what CL had. So it seems unlikely IMO that someone else put that rebar down there. It could've broken off in the mine shaft (they use rebar in mines don't they?) but why would CL have the same stuff? The fact that they mentioned it makes me think it was related to the crime somehow.

Given that any hope of finding her alive is gone, some tiny part of me hopes that maybe he hit her in the head from behind with the rebar and knocked her out before whatever else he did. I'd rather think she was out anticipating an enjoyable day and never knew what hit her. I know we have nothing showing this to be the case, it's just my hope for "best possible case in a horrible situation" (for lack of a better description).

A thought on the rebar. I came across some photos of mines in my search and noticed that some of the mine openings have been "sealed" in a way in which they still allow critters such as bats and those cute kangaroo mice to access them but so that people won't inadvertently wander into one.

Here is a photo of one of the mine openings in the Rose of Peru mining district. http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t78/mustangfeverrr/022-3.jpg

It has been sealed off with (what appears to me to be) rebar.

I mentioned threads ago that, in looking at some of the bars, etc. used to seal some of the mine openings, that it wouldn't be very difficult to remove some of these metal bars, throw something large in, and then replace them.

I wonder if the mine opening in which Erin was found was covered or had been covered at one point.

I can see where CL might think that Erin would never be found if he didn't think that they would bother to look in a "sealed" mine.

 

[Seajay]

Plus, the mine would likely have been found sooner, with signs of a fire nearby.

Especially since we are in the worst drought in ages around here. Any sign of smoke puts people in a panic because that usually means an untamed, destructive fire has to be battled and contained. Any smoke out there would have planes up immediately to investigate what is burning.

 

[Mrs. Gladden]

Finally found it.......

"The head stamp on the fired cartridge was consistent with head stamps on .22-caliber casings recovered from Lee's vehicle and Lee's residence," the warrant stated.

http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/l...ed-in-Missing-Marine-Wife-Case-271874781.html

 

[escape2sc]

And in protecting, comes killing. You are probably in the military, so I understand where you are coming from, but I dated a military guy and I know how much trauma they go through in their training and while out in the battlefield on their tours. In essence, they are trained to shoot and kill, in order to protect, yes.

Proud wife, daughter, sister, mother in law, daughter in law, sister in law of military members..all served during a war and saw combat. All are kind, compassionate, affectionate, loving individuals. Not a one has a drinking/drug problem, or have committed a crime more serious than speeding 10 miles over the speed limit.

.. Yes, they know how to kill, yes they have witnessed/experienced unimaginable events that have traumatized them. Doesn't make them more likely to commit a violent crime. I tend to think, members of the military place a higher value on human life than those of us who have never had to fight to protect our own life and the lives of those fighting beside us.

 

[phantomthought]

Someone in the military knows the date of their ETS the day they join. Unless he re-enlists, that's his target date to get out of the military. Their service contract is in exact years. For instance, my husband joined the military on June 2, 1969. His ETS date was June 1, 1971. We knew that the whole time. He had an addition 4 years or until June 1, 1975 where he was inactive reserves before he got his final discharge papers. So CL knew exactly when he was getting out of the military. There was a notation on his service record that someone posted here up above, that he did not re-enlist in 2013 which would have been when he made the decision to get out on July 7, 2014. HTH Whether Erin knew what his ETS date was, I have no idea. However, I knew when all my friends in the military's husbands were going to separate from the service. I knew who was "short" and who wasn't.

I have to laugh.Have not heard the term being short since my navy days.I have to agree,The day you got out was like a religious event.I can remember guys walking around with the number of days they had left stapled to their hat.There had to be a hundred jokes along the lines of I'm so short the next time you turn around I'll be gone.

 

[Seajay]

I have to laugh.Have not heard the term being short since my navy days.I have to agree,The day you got out was like a religious event.I can remember guys walking around with the number of days they had left stapled to their hat.There had to be a hundred jokes along the lines of I'm so short the next time you turn around I'll be gone.

My husband had how many days left he had in the military written in white shoe polish on his bright red car. He would change the date every day. LOL He would walk around the base and yell "short" to other EM's he knew as he passed them, holding up how many fingers short he was. It was kind of a game. And you are right, it was like an religious experience to be "short" and to approach ETS. So I imagine that Erin knew when CL was about ready to separate, not to mention they were moving out of their place a few doors down and in to the horse ranch when she disappeared.

 

[cluciano63]

My nephew posted his release date like a countdown to a wedding or some other presumably great life event, lol. He is my only direct experience with family in military during my lifetime.

My question is, who in the military, if anyone, associated with CL would have influence over him and possibly talk some sense of honor into him? He can't want his wife, child and family to endure the details of his affair, etc to come out in court, any more than Erin's family. What is out there already is bad enough, but there is likely much more to come, Imo.

 

[MzOpinion8d]

and they're all so young and young people really can't see past the noses on their faces. I'm sure CL felt like he was trapped and his life was ruined, never realizing how resilient people really are, and how things have a way of working out and being ok. And I don't understand how someone could make the leap from 'I've got to get out of this mess', to murder. Even for a cold blooded, desperate person, I would think breaking into a pharmacy and stealing some kind of miscarriage pills, would have made more sense than all this. moo

I will not be surprised if we learn NL demanded that he "prove" his loyalty to her by getting rid of Erin, especially if she knew of the pregnancy.

 

[cluciano63]

My husband had how many days left he had in the military written in white shoe polish on his bright red car. He would change the date every day. LOL He would walk around the base and yell "short" to other EM's he knew as he passed them, holding up how many fingers short he was. It was kind of a game. And you are right, it was like an religious experience to be "short" and to approach ETS. So I imagine that Erin knew when CL was about ready to separate, not to mention they were moving out of their place a few doors down and in to the horse ranch when she disappeared.

I agree, it can't be a coincidence that this came to a head just a week before his release. Maybe Erin panicked and told him about the pregnancy in a final effort to get him to stay. Maybe, up to that point, she intended to raise a child as JC's. Jmo

 

[justonedrin]

i havent seen this posted

interview at the horse ranch

http://www.sbcountyda.org/Portals/8/PressReleases/2014/FMB1400414 Lee warrant and declaration.pdf

 

[Treelights]

My husband had how many days left he had in the military written in white shoe polish on his bright red car. He would change the date every day. LOL He would walk around the base and yell "short" to other EM's he knew as he passed them, holding up how many fingers short he was. It was kind of a game. And you are right, it was like an religious experience to be "short" and to approach ETS. So I imagine that Erin knew when CL was about ready to separate, not to mention they were moving out of their place a few doors down and in to the horse ranch when she disappeared.

Or jump boots thrown and dangling from the wire on telephone poles! You know that GI was Short!!

 

[la2cabo]

The thought that comes to mind is too gruesome to post, but my assumption is that it has something to do with the baby.

Ugh. What a sad, sad speculation. Makes me sick to my stomach to think about it.

 

[Dmacky]

I kind of feel like she wasn't burned, or if she was, it was for a very short time. If it went according to plan, I would think there likely wouldn't be a body...it could have been the original plan, then they scrapped it or maybe they panicked and disposed of the body as quickly as possible.

This makes me think he actually did tie a tire to her, and let her burn...(I really had trouble actually typing that) :frown:
"The day she disappeared, he was collecting tires," Ramos said. "And that ties to his research of how to dispose of a human being, because with tires they can burn for hours and hours."

Ramos would not say if Corwin's body was burned.

Ramos wasn't able to give many details regarding the case, but he says when those details are released the public will understand why the crime was so awful. He described lying in wait as a special allegation under California law that is used when a defendant "sets up or surprises their victim."

http://www.ktuu.com/news/news/prosecutor-former-marine-murdered-comrades-wife/27620982

 

[la2cabo]

LE has to be able prove pregnancy, Imo, before considering charges regarding a possible baby, fetus, or embryo. Jmo maybe even that she was pregnant at the time of death, i,e a doctor's report that states she was WAS pregnant two months ago may not be enough jmo.

I wonder if the mods can get Gitana1 to help us with this issue? Mods ~ are you there? TIA