GUILTY CA - Erin Corwin, 19, pregnant, Twentynine Palms, 28 June 2014 - #9

[Treelights]

This makes me think he actually did tie a tire to her, and let her burn...(I really had trouble actually typing that) :frown:
"The day she disappeared, he was collecting tires," Ramos said. "And that ties to his research of how to dispose of a human being, because with tires they can burn for hours and hours."

Ramos would not say if Corwin's body was burned.

Ramos wasn't able to give many details regarding the case, but he says when those details are released the public will understand why the crime was so awful. He described lying in wait as a special allegation under California law that is used when a defendant "sets up or surprises their victim."

http://www.ktuu.com/news/news/prosecutor-former-marine-murdered-comrades-wife/27620982

If he did that, though, how long would the tire burn in a mine? Wouldn't it need more oxygen to continue to burn a long period of time?
IMOO.

 

[BRRI]

Imo, unless you are a student of forensics, there is never a reason to know about how to dispose of a body. But you can be sure a lawyer will try some crazy thing out.

This guy needs to be a "man" and admit his crimes. Imo he is going to prison or worse, anyway. With LWOP he may get a chance to see his child on occasion. The worst thing in the world, Imo, has to be growing up with a parent on death row. If he confesses, at least he can have a modicum of decency. His dreams are over. A trial will make this horrible case so much worse for surviving victims. I wish his lawyer would tell him, look, Bud, the evidence is there, better to take a plea if possible. Jmo

I would be surprised if he doesn't take a plea. I wonder if that plea will have him implicate others.

 

[maskedwoman]

Collecting tires?

I thought he claimed he was hunting.

That must be what NL meant about not being able to keep his lies straight.

 

[Seajay]

I agree, it can't be a coincidence that this came to a head just a week before his release. Maybe Erin panicked and told him about the pregnancy in a final effort to get him to stay. Maybe, up to that point, she intended to raise a child as JC's. Jmo

I've been questioning the timing of all this almost since the beginning. I do not think the timing is a coincidence. He's having an affair, he's getting close to separation, he gets her pregnant. The fact she told JC she was pregnant, then tells CL she was pregnant makes me wonder what she was doing. She apparently told her friend in TN that the baby was CL's. I cannot figure out why she told them both and what she hoped would happen with that. Did she think telling CL the baby was his would keep him in CA? Was she planning on letting JC believe he was the father of her baby? Was she going to try for a life with CL and if that didn't work out she'd have one with JC? Who knows. We still don't have a clear motive that CL has admitted to. Was she blackmailing him? Threatened to go to his CO with the news she was pregnant by him? Even if he got out of active duty, he still owed USMC 4 years of IRR. Could this have caused problems with him with the MC if she had gone to his CO?

 

[BRRI]

And in protecting, comes killing. You are probably in the military, so I understand where you are coming from, but I dated a military guy and I know how much trauma they go through in their training and while out in the battlefield on their tours. In essence, they are trained to shoot and kill, in order to protect, yes.

Again though, shoot and kill *enemies*. I'm sure majority of military would not be desensitized to the death of their family/friends.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

I thought I read last night that the results of tests to determine if Erin was pregnant or not would be released as soon as they become available. Is this still true?
Someone posted that no further information will be revealed about the case.
Will the coroner be able to verify if Erin was pregnant at the time she was murdered?

 

[BRRI]

A huge pet peeve of mine is the constant reference to military servicemen and their training to kill. They are not trained to go around killing innocent civilians. They are trained to protect themselves, comrades, and homeland. It doesn't mean they are void of emotions when it comes to harming another individual. It doesn't mean they are more likely than your average Joe to become a murderer "because of their training".

This! Agree!

 

[BRRI]

That being said, I bet anything it will be used in his defense. PTSD.

Especially if he was ever treated for it.

 

[BRRI]

A thought on the rebar. I came across some photos of mines in my search and noticed that some of the mine openings have been "sealed" in a way in which they still allow critters such as bats and those cute kangaroo mice to access them but so that people won't inadvertently wander into one.

Here is a photo of one of the mine openings in the Rose of Peru mining district. http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t78/mustangfeverrr/022-3.jpg

It has been sealed off with (what appears to me to be) rebar.

I mentioned threads ago that, in looking at some of the bars, etc. used to seal some of the mine openings, that it wouldn't be very difficult to remove some of these metal bars, throw something large in, and then replace them.

I wonder if the mine opening in which Erin was found was covered or had been covered at one point.

I can see where CL might think that Erin would never be found if he didn't think that they would bother to look in a "sealed" mine.

Good point. Except the idiot brought pieces of it back to his house. I agree with your theory though. He may have removed the rebar to dispose of the body into the mine

 

[maskedwoman]

Once again, so glad that many criminals are as stupid as %#*^. So helpful to LE. Jmo

I wonder if it's a chicken and egg thing. If they weren't so stupid, they wouldn't think killing someone would solve their problem. So, because stupid people decide that is their solution, it makes them easier to catch, I guess.

 

[Knox]

Rick Schleyer/KTUU-TV

ANCHORAGE - Two days after a former Marine corporal's Anchorage arrest in the Southern California death of a fellow Marine's wife, prosecutors are beginning to lay out their case against him.

 

[cluciano63]

I've been questioning the timing of all this almost since the beginning. I do not think the timing is a coincidence. He's having an affair, he's getting close to separation, he gets her pregnant. The fact she told JC she was pregnant, then tells CL she was pregnant makes me wonder what she was doing. She apparently told her friend in TN that the baby was CL's. I cannot figure out why she told them both and what she hoped would happen with that. Did she think telling CL the baby was his would keep him in CA? Was she planning on letting JC believe he was the father of her baby? Was she going to try for a life with CL and if that didn't work out she'd have one with JC? Who knows. We still don't have a clear motive that CL has admitted to. Was she blackmailing him? Threatened to go to his CO with the news she was pregnant by him? Even if he got out of active duty, he still owed USMC 4 years of IRR. Could this have caused problems with him with the MC if she had gone to his CO?

And was she actually pregnant? Somehow it does not sound to me like they are able to verify this. Jmo. Is autopsy complete?

 

[Knox]

A thought on the rebar. I came across some photos of mines in my search and noticed that some of the mine openings have been "sealed" in a way in which they still allow critters such as bats and those cute kangaroo mice to access them but so that people won't inadvertently wander into one.

Here is a photo of one of the mine openings in the Rose of Peru mining district. http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t78/mustangfeverrr/022-3.jpg

It has been sealed off with (what appears to me to be) rebar.

I mentioned threads ago that, in looking at some of the bars, etc. used to seal some of the mine openings, that it wouldn't be very difficult to remove some of these metal bars, throw something large in, and then replace them.

I wonder if the mine opening in which Erin was found was covered or had been covered at one point.

I can see where CL might think that Erin would never be found if he didn't think that they would bother to look in a "sealed" mine.

Great post, and I think you are right on with your thoughts.

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

I think people are being tough on the horse lady. She didn't say anything about the horse getting adopted on camera, the reporter quoted her about that later. We have no idea how long that interview was and how leading the reporter's questions were. It's obvious to me there was a lot left on the editing room floor.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. I think the horse lady was hoodwinked by CL and knew nothing until well after the fact. I think her weirdness in interviews can be chalked up to fear and shock. This woman had a murderer living in her house for weeks. A murderer who killed someone SHE knew. That must be both horrifying and terrifying.


I know, I may be snacking on my hat later if proven wrong, but that's ok.

maybe there is an obvious reason for the question I am asking... So please forgive me...

but... I am wondering why IM decided to talk in such detail to the press...

I recognize she may have felt she should say something since Erin had worked there...


But It seems like it is best in such a serious case as this one for "witnesses" (is this the correct term?) to make a prepared statement... After talking with LE... (Or lawyer?.... Or PR rep.?) and then leave it at that...

I recognize in nervousness there can be a liability of talking too much... And/or not succinctly enough...(I know there have been times where I have embarrassingly done so in just social situations)...

and actually... IMO ....there was no obligation for her to speak at all...

all... JMO

 

[la2cabo]

A thought on the rebar. I came across some photos of mines in my search and noticed that some of the mine openings have been "sealed" in a way in which they still allow critters such as bats and those cute kangaroo mice to access them but so that people won't inadvertently wander into one.

Here is a photo of one of the mine openings in the Rose of Peru mining district. http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t78/mustangfeverrr/022-3.jpg

It has been sealed off with (what appears to me to be) rebar.

I mentioned threads ago that, in looking at some of the bars, etc. used to seal some of the mine openings, that it wouldn't be very difficult to remove some of these metal bars, throw something large in, and then replace them.

I wonder if the mine opening in which Erin was found was covered or had been covered at one point.

I can see where CL might think that Erin would never be found if he didn't think that they would bother to look in a "sealed" mine.

Maybe he removed the rebar, threw Erin in the mine (I got a lump in my throat typing that), threw in tires in an effort to cover her and then replaced what rebar he could. Another thought is maybe that wasn't the first sealed mine that he unsealed, thus having additional rebar in his Jeep. Does anyone know if tires are typically thrown in to sealed mines for whatever reason? I went to those same mines a hundred years ago so I don't remember much about them other than they seemed very, very scary.

 

[cluciano63]

I wonder if it's a chicken and egg thing. If they weren't so stupid, they wouldn't think killing someone would solve their problem. So, because stupid people decide that is their solution, it makes them easier to catch, I guess.

Yet in some cases, such as that of Katelyn Markham, I feel like the BF is "key", let's say, and no brain surgeon by any stretch of the imagination (just watching one video will convince you) and he is free as a bird two-plus years later, never named a suspect despite a bizarre tale for his alibi. And her body was not found for well over a year.

So much is down to luck, too, I think, whether LE can get enough to charge. CL practically drew them a map of his actions. And LE was smart enough and dedicated enough to find and use each piece of evidence.

 

[EmmaRose]

These quotes may be out of order - my apologies. However, I found the following:

California: California Penal Code § 187(a) says, “Murder is the unlawful killing of a human being, or a fetus, with malice aforethought.” The words “or a fetus” were added by the legislature in 1970. The California Supreme Court later interpreted “fetus” to apply “beyond the embryonic stage of seven to eight weeks.” (People v. Davis, 1994) In addition, Penal Code § 190.2(3) makes a defendant eligible for capital punishment if convicted of more than one murder, and the California Supreme Court ruled that fetal homicide is included under this provision as well (People v. Dennis, 1998).

http://www.nrlc.org/federal/unbornvictims/statehomicidelaws092302/

IMO, there may be different laws concerning abortions and homicide of a fetus via killing the mother. I'm not saying that I agree with different laws but there might be differences. Based on the info at the link above, I think Erin may have been beyond the embryonic stage of 7-8 weeks gestation and then CL could be charged with fetal homicide.

I truly hope he can be charged with fetal homicide; IMO if Erin was pregnant, then that charge should apply. I know it doesn't matter to the courts what I think, but I believe in "birth" from conception.

I really think he should be charged with it especially because the pregnancy was what caused him to kill Erin. MOO !!!

 

[la2cabo]

Proud wife, daughter, sister, mother in law, daughter in law, sister in law of military members..all served during a war and saw combat. All are kind, compassionate, affectionate, loving individuals. Not a one has a drinking/drug problem, or have committed a crime more serious than speeding 10 miles over the speed limit.

.. Yes, they know how to kill, yes they have witnessed/experienced unimaginable events that have traumatized them. Doesn't make them more likely to commit a violent crime. I tend to think, members of the military place a higher value on human life than those of us who have never had to fight to protect our own life and the lives of those fighting beside us.

Very well said, escape2sc. Very well said.

 

[Knox]

Finally found it.......

"The head stamp on the fired cartridge was consistent with head stamps on .22-caliber casings recovered from Lee's vehicle and Lee's residence," the warrant stated.

http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/l...ed-in-Missing-Marine-Wife-Case-271874781.html

When asked if there were any weapons in the home, Lee's wife, Nicole, told authorities there was a .22-caliber rifle in the house, records show. Authorities searched for the firearm but could not find it. Nicole Lee later told investigators that her husband had taken the rifle to a residence owned by Isabella Megli.

After Megli gave consent to search the home, authorities found the rifle in a back closet, according to an affidavit.

The woman told investigators the couple had been storing their possessions on her property while preparing to move to Alaska where Christopher Lee previously lived.

According to authorities, Megli also said Nicole Lee told her deputies missed something when they didn't search the garage. Lee also told her that "without a body, the detectives did not have a case against them and the detectives would never find the body," the woman said.

"Nicole had also berated Lee in front of Isabella (Megli) about not being able to keep his lies straight when he was interviewed by detectives because he was dumb," according to the affidavit.

http://www.knoxnews.com/news/local-...-on-case-of-missing-oak-ridge-native_46876662

 

[justonedrin]

poor baby looks like he has not been eating well in anticipation of being arrested and has lost weight---@@ eye roll @@