Found Deceased CA - Erin Valenti, 33, from Utah, en-route from Palo Alto to San Jose, 7 Oct 2019

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  • #641
LE contacted EV by phone because she was driving and they didn't know where she was.

Her husband said, “The officer said she wasn’t making any sense. They drove around looking for her on Monday night and never found her."

Don't get me wrong, I think LE could have and should have done a lot more here but I just wanted to point out that they did attempt a Welfare Check. MOO

Like ping the car. :( The thing that bothers me is you've got an officer admitting someone not from the area making no sense.

1. Has missed a return flight
2. Failed to return a rental
3. Has people in Utah and New York so concerned they've called the police
4. Babbling
5. Confused
6. Lost
7. Low on gas
8. No known diagnosis to explain this

:(
 
  • #642
Like many others I am very interested in what the friend she was with earlier that day has to say.
 
  • #643
Aneurism?
Her symptoms don't sound like an aneurism to me. Often there are no warning signs and the person suddenly collapses and dies. If there are any signs I think they include headache, pain in arms, back, legs, or stomach, and bleeding.

I guess there could have been a previous condition that led to an aneurism, though.
Imo
 
  • #644
You make a good point. It's still in the 80's daily in southern CA, so maybe equally sunny/warm in San Jose. If she fell unconcious during a "nap" in the back of her car, she could've overheated/died (?) due to the heat in the closed car...

I wonder how long the tox report will take...

I was in San Jose on Monday and it was upper 80's and sunny. I was also out walking that night and the temps were very comfortable in shorts..
 
  • #645
To me, this doesn't make a bit of difference. LE routinely calls for assistance from other agencies when needed. If they didn't have the necessary resources to look for a missing and endangered woman, they should have done exactly that.

Sadly, it may not have saved EV's life but it could have prevented her family and loved ones from having to endure days and days of suffering. MOO
Respectfully, it sounds as if you have some ideas or experience how to encourage the city to staff up the PD, or to respond to these types of issues. Please share your expertise by contacting them to offer your support:
San José POA - Contact the San José Police Officers' Association

If you know of a model that works to address this problem, I'm sure they'd be appreciative to hear solid ideas. You never know, you might be able to help!

Amateur opinion and speculation
 
  • #646
Aneurism?
Clearly we cannot rule anything out and hopefully the autopsy will provide some much needed information in this tragic situation.

My first guess wouldn't be an aneurism as this IMO would have resulted in physical symptoms rather than what was so clearly described by the family as 'mania' involving cognition issues and the 'matrix' reference could relate to a disconnection from reality as she knew it.

IDK, but it all sounds very much like a psychological break of some sort. A TIA event or multiple TIA events might result in disorientation and cognitive issues but the duration of these events is typically short and we saw this play out over multiple days by all accounts. We also don't know TOD so this will be a critical piece of information in this process of putting together the sad puzzle of what happened to EV.

I trust the descriptions of the family members given their professional expertise. Mom is a nurse and husband is psychologist. The family acted quickly and did everything humanly possible to engage SJPD IMO.

I just pray that the family gets solid answers from the autopsy and am thankful that EV was found.

MOO
 
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When my family member was manic, he neither ate nor drank, but would drink water if a cup was held to his lips. I was the other person from whom he would receive food or drink (paranoid of all others).

Also, he started eating plants during the time he was missing, including oleander. Had to have charcoal at the hospital (he had very little in his stomach).

What's strange about Erin's situation, though, is that she had had a normal enough day on Monday, apparently lunching with a friend. Most manic people would not sleep much, and if the car was out of gas, would then be out and about on foot, manic. Manic people don't sit still much (although there are mixed states in which they are stuporous mixed with manic walk-abouts).



We’d need some medical expert to chime in, but does that explain the apparent manic behavior being exhibited here?

This seems to have been a fairly prolonged event, one in which she was driving around and making phone calls.

Thats the reason I’m leaning towards some sort of drug, but I’m not a doctor.

I worked as a field diagnostician for jails, mental hospitals (and in other settings) for a couple of decades (and I am a doctor, just not an M.D., a biological anthropologist). Mania can go on for a week or 10 days. Its close cousin (hypomania) can go on for months, to the point that most people regard that state as the person's "normal" state.

I actually worked in Palo Alto, Menlo Park and Mountain View for some of those years. Lots of bipolar/manic behavior in that area (there's an excellent book on bipolar illness and its relationship to creativity and innovation by Kay Jamison, who is herself bipolar).

When people showed up in the ER where I was working and were "manic" or "psychotic," it was very hard for anyone to tell whether it was drug-induced (always among the first questions asked and in the bloodwork that gets run ASAP). When people are floridly psychotic, it's hard to distinguish manic, drug-induced, schizophrenic and other psychoses. Typically, first line of treatment is an anti-psychotic drug, naturally. Then as the psychosis subsides (or is knocked down, in some cases), the psychiatrists and other carers can start pinpointing what type of illness it is, with a view toward longterm treatment.

Some forms of mania seem to be related to seizure disorders, for example.

Bipolar disorder in neurologic illness

There's also a phenomenon known as "kindling," in which the psychosis is brought on by a related mental state (excitement, drug use, sleep deprivation). It was not uncommon for people to come into our hospital while on a visit to the area, since travel can induce either bipolar mania or, in type II bipolars, depression. Medical treatment is different for each and kindling situations are something the sufferer must learn to deal with/avoid.

All that being said, anti-seizure medication is increasingly used in the treatment of bipolar illness, and there's some research to indicate that seizures can bring on what appear to be manic episodes.

Thirty Years of Clinical Experience with Carbamazepine in the Treatment of Bipolar Illness

I know several psychiatrists who have had to deal with mania in patients who were at a distance from treatment (traveling) and they advised something as similar as benadryl during a hypomanic or manic episode, as a readily available "bridge" treatment until the person could get to an ER. Most manic people will not, however, go to an ER. They are usually brought in by police, after concerned citizens notice their strange behavior.

Just this week, while at a local business, an apparently manic homeless person came to the door and began shouting exhortations at everyone there, all women and children. He was bare footed and bare chested, wearing nothing but very loose shorts.

Everyone moved to the back of the place, in fear, instantly (except me and the owner - I'm older and I've worked a lot with homeless people). Since he was barely clothed, it was pretty easy to tell he was unarmed and his hands were visible (he was waving them all around and touching things in the front of the store, all the while shouting). I had my phone out to call 911 but just as I started to dial, two squad cars pulled up (he had been wandering all around the shopping center, people had called in). That is an example of florid psychosis. This man was made to sit down on the ground by the police (which helped calm him but he kept shouting for the next half an hour, until they got ready to transport him, 5150).

Sometimes, the more a manic person is allowed to pace around, run around, be hyperactive, the more manic they become. Erin was not, as far as we know, all the way to disrobing and trying to enter houses that were not her own. Which is why it's very puzzling. Sure, she could have been confused and manic, but why did she stay in her car?

Only the medical examiner can answer the question of how long she's been deceased, and whether the toxicology report shows any *known* drug. There's always been a market for strange and experimental drugs in and around Stanford (and people who know how to make them), and there's been a resurgence in the use of synthetic psychedelics in California (especially in the Bay Area).

I feel so badly for her husband and parents. Mania can come on very quickly. We don't know if she had a previous history of such episodes (her husband describing her behavior as "manic" may be a clue). The fact that she wasn't outside the car, wandering around and eagerly trying to get things done/talk to people makes me wonder a lot about what was actually going on.
 
  • #649
Something about “Im in the Matrix”. Yes, the rest was gibberish, but what if that was part of her clear moments in the conversation with her mom/family?She also discussed going home for Thanksgiving. A part of my theory (as of now) is that she will be seen on the surveillance cameras at Casino Matrix. MOO

I believe references to the "Matrix" are related to EV's recent trip to Japan. According to her fb, she traveled there a couple months ago, and made posts about the Matrix then. Also posted clips of the digital rain (green characters cascading down a black screen). I understand the 20th anniversary of Matrix trilogy was huge in Japan.

Many articles around addressing Japan's cultural and linguistic influences on the Matrix series.

'The Matrix' Code Came From Sushi Recipes—but Which?
 
  • #650
Onset of diabetic coma can cause confusion and hallucinations. Eventually you go to sleep and die. If it’s not drugs, diabetes is my bet.
 
  • #651
Onset of diabetic coma can cause confusion and hallucinations. Eventually you go to sleep and die. If it’s not drugs, diabetes is my bet.
I think so too.
 
  • #652
Onset of diabetic coma can cause confusion and hallucinations. Eventually you go to sleep and die. If it’s not drugs, diabetes is my bet.

That's a good thought. Do you know how long the onset can last? It sounds to me like this was going on for at least 9 hours?
 
  • #653
What do we know about the night before she checked out of the hotel?

By 3:30PM, when she couldn't find her car, her family knew that something was very wrong. Maybe something was wrong when she checked out of the hotel but the symptoms were not yet so serious that she was completely disoriented.
 
  • #654
That's a good thought. Do you know how long the onset can last? It sounds to me like this was going on for at least 9 hours?
That was my initial thought, too (I am a registered dietitian and I work in a psychiatric hospital). But... hypoglycemia that severe causes physical dyscoordination early in the onset of symptoms. I would not expect someone t0 be able to drive or manage a cell phone with ongoing, significant hypoglycemia. Diabetic ketoacidosis caused by hyperglycemia in undiagnosed or poorly controlled diabetes would be more likely, but also causes physical symptoms (vomiting, excessive thirst, frequent urination, etc). It does result in dehydration. Sad and interesting.
 
  • #655
Respectfully, it sounds as if you have some ideas or experience how to encourage the city to staff up the PD, or to respond to these types of issues. Please share your expertise by contacting them to offer your support:
San José POA - Contact the San José Police Officers' Association

If you know of a model that works to address this problem, I'm sure they'd be appreciative to hear solid ideas. You never know, you might be able to help!

Amateur opinion and speculation
No, I don't have any expertise in LE to offer them. I am speaking only as the daughter of a (late) police chief and therefore, expressing my opinion based on second-hand knowledge.

They are undoubtedly already aware of their partner agencies and city, county, and federal resources and don't need anyone to remind them of that. Why they chose not to use those resources is what is baffling to me. MOO
 
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  • #656
I'm usually in LE's corner. But in this case, I feel like SJPD didn't act appropriately.

What if, Erin had been found Monday night and was taken to the hospital. Would she be alive today? This case is heartbreaking, inserting my own daughter in the scenario, the frustration I would feel. Refusing to put out a Silver Alert. Telling the media she is considered "Voluntary Missing", when you know that isn't the case.
I'm obviously speaking from emotions, but when a young woman goes missing under these circumstances, I want LE to take it seriously.
 
  • #657
That was my initial thought, too (I am a registered dietitian and I work in a psychiatric hospital). But... hypoglycemia that severe causes physical dyscoordination early in the onset of symptoms. I would not expect someone t0 be able to drive or manage a cell phone with ongoing, significant hypoglycemia. Diabetic ketoacidosis caused by hyperglycemia in undiagnosed or poorly controlled diabetes would be more likely, but also causes physical symptoms (vomiting, excessive thirst, frequent urination, etc). It does result in dehydration. Sad and interesting.
Welcome to Websleuths, Babylon Sister. Thank you for being here. MOO
 
  • #658
No, I don't have any expertise in LE to offer them. I am speaking only as the daughter of a (late) police chief.

They are undoubtedly already aware of their partner agencies and city, county, and federal resources and don't need my assistance with that. Why they chose not to use those resources is baffling to me. MOO
From what I read, and I could have misunderstood is the caveat, they are so short staffed that they don't even have enough people to properly assess/triage through all of these situations and trigger proper protocols. Apparently they changed their pension package a few years ago and many Officers bailed to go to other cities that protected their pensions. At least that's what I gathered from my cursory study. It sounds concerning, and manifested in this case it appears. Whether they could have helped her or not (in time) will remain unknown.

Amateur opinion and speculation
 
  • #659
Are we to believe EV was just driving around in her vehicle for about 8 hours (3pm-midnight) talking on the phone to her friends, husband, and mom in a manic state?

It sounds like she never left the area where she was eventually located. She told others she was low on fuel but never stopped for fuel? Was she afraid to get out of the vehicle? I can't believe that nobody she talked to during those hours didn't tell her to go to the ER, or pull over NOW and call 911. It's like when her phone battery died (around midnight), she crawled in the back and ceased to exist.

Family needs answers. We all need answers.
 
  • #660
Not if the manic episode lasted several hours. If she sounded manic at 3:30 and her phone turned off at midnight after she spoke to her mom, that's about eight hours of driving around lost. She would probably have been physically and emotionally exhausted by then.
It sounds like she crawled in the back to go to sleep.

How she ended up dead is the mystery.

Imo
I wish she had stopped for help. I don't know if it would have made any difference or not, in terms of her surviving- it depends on what was wrong with her. I can't help but feel for her- that's a lot of hours to drive around by yourself, confused and manic.
 
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