Found Deceased CA - Fang Jin, 47, flew to LA from China, train to Palm Springs, Morongo Basin, 21 Jul 2023, w/ John Root Fitzpatrick, 55, (fnd dec.), 30 Jul ‘23 #2

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  • #421
Larger map downloadable from CBS 8 website. It's hard to view but has some labels.
If you look at this google link to the Harper Flat area, there is fence across the main wash to prevent people from driving through there. So, there is off-road activity in that Harper Flat wash.

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I’m not local to area, if you’re aware, what impact might the Hurricane have had with potential flooding?
 
  • #422
That's standard operating procedure in a criminal investigation.

Right now, no one knows who all is involved in this case, and LE want to both find Jin Fang *and* to bring someone to justice (or close the case) if it turns out to be that she was criminally harmed. Nothing remotely unusual about the family not being given updates.

Until now. And LE was ready to show that it had dotted its I's and crossed its T's (search warrant was ordered, that took time, and naturally, the timing of the release of the search warrant is interesting - because it happened right after the announcement that JRF's body was found).

Now that JRF is identified, there is no official concern about his whereabouts. He would have known that LE was interested in the situation, because LE actually showed up at his home and saw both him and JF there (and this is immediately after the family has reported her missing, as I read the documents - it's a bit confusing). At any rate, they did not want to spook JRF further or cause him to act impulsively as they attempted to close in on him and find out where Jin Fang is.

At the time, LE would not yet have known that JRF would not be found alive. After he's found dead, the nature of the case changes and LE is releasing to the general public what it thinks is helpful (not every interview or document, IMO).

It looks like the search warrant was filed *after* an officer went and found the mobile home's door standing open and the smell of decomp inside. They attached the homicide addendum because they were now treating it as a possible homicide. That information is not something the family needed to have until the investigation concluded something had happened to cause death in either of the two missing persons. Now that JRF can never be a helpful source of further information (and could himself be the victim of a homicide), LE is asking for the public's help in locating Fang, despite the fact that her last known location was far from JRF's body. A hiker has already made a big break in this case - they're hoping for another one, but there's no need to keep things as silent at this point in time.

IMO
It is confusing. On re-read, it appears deputies arrived for a welfare check earlier on Aug. 1, noticed front door open, entered and had a look around. Search warrant not executed until 17:45 on Aug 1. The named deputy entered later that evening, door still open, armed with the warrant?
More than likely, staked the trailer out until second warrant Aug 3, under seal (but receipt for three cellphones seized identified).
 
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  • #423
I'm so sorry that it has come to this, Mark. I hope everyone is holding up as well as they can. At least you are finally getting some closure.

The Piñon Wash info is valuable. It is actually very near the archaeological site that's up there (on the flat above the next wash over). Piñon Wash looks hikeable by the experienced. Both the ancient village site and Piñon Wash are close to Harper Flat - maybe a couple of miles away?

It's possible a gully washer moved Jin Fang's backpack. I wonder how close it was to the road, though.

I know you must also be frustrated, trying to understand what has happened.

I’m curious too, what impact the Hurricane may have had to area, was the specific location prone to flooding?
 
  • #424
Can you say which page number of the document that is on? I apparently missed it. Harper Flat is recorded as the place for the truck (and it shows up on Google maps, it's a stopping point on a dirt road, it looks to me, where one can take the trail toward Harper Canyon. Harper Canyon starts maybe 2000 feet away (the Flat is basically still in the downslope, debris field near Harper Canyon itself).

If his remains were found up Harper Canyon more than 2000 feet from the truck, that is new information.
It's in the CBS article, not the PDF document. I don't recall if the source of the information was disclosed.
 
  • #425
Hilary hurricane...

The area would be prone to flooding from Hilary, but that storm came through on Aug 20 in San Diego county.
 
  • #426
Okay so that was just coincidence and prior to Misspers being reported...I guess they just added it as confirmation they'd ID'd him prior. Dates in that Statement of PC are all over the show...
I don't think it was coincidence that LE made contact with JRF and (presumably) FJ on the date FJ was last seen alive. But we'll see.
 
  • #427
The area would be prone to flooding from Hilary, but that storm came through on Aug 20 in San Diego county.

Would the flooding be strong enough to move or damage truck?

Edit: Sorry, guess, my question is did Hurricane cause severe flooding in that area?
 
  • #428
It's really confusing when LE spoke with him and the reason for it.

3 iphones would include older, inoperable phones that he had in his possession.
 
  • #429
I’m curious too, what impact the Hurricane may have had to area, was the specific location prone to flooding?

The entire area is prone to flooding. You can see multiple washes coming down from every higher area in the park. The area that was reported to have flooded during the hurricane was north of highway 78, where a campground on a flat somewhat lower than the Harper Flat area was completely flooded.

So it's possible that water came down a wash during the hurricane (or other rains). That would have been well after both go missing - about a month before the hiker finds JRF's body (August 18). Indeed, JRF's bones look to be caught in a small boulder field with granite coming down from a higher place (typical of what ends up on the delta/flat of a canyon or gorge). His body was apparently 2-3 miles up canyon from Harper Flat.

I'm still puzzling over the finding of Fang's backpack - wish we knew exactly where. But LE must surely be using all of this to continue searching (and there's been mention of at least one SAR search here on this thread).

IMO.
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  • #430
The entire area is prone to flooding. You can see multiple washes coming down from every higher area in the park. The area that was reported to have flooded during the hurricane was north of highway 78, where a campground on a flat somewhat lower than the Harper Flat area was completely flooded.

So it's possible that water came down a wash during the hurricane (or other rains). That would have been well after both go missing - about a month before the hiker finds JRF's body (August 18). Indeed, JRF's bones look to be caught in a small boulder field with granite coming down from a higher place (typical of what ends up on the delta/flat of a canyon or gorge). His body was apparently 2-3 miles up canyon from Harper Flat.

I'm still puzzling over the finding of Fang's backpack - wish we knew exactly where. But LE must surely be using all of this to continue searching (and there's been mention of at least one SAR search here on this thread).

IMO.
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Of course we don’t have all factors to answer but

Attempting to be sensitive but trying to better understand potential effect of flooding in that area, from impact of Hurricane was flooding strong enough to have caused damage to the truck or washed evidence away from truck including JRF remains?
 
  • #431
I don't think it was coincidence that LE made contact with JRF and (presumably) FJ on the date FJ was last seen alive. But we'll see.

Interesting comment. I had wondered why LE had contact with JRF at that time. Could FJ have called 911 for a DV situation? A neighbor called because of hearing a fight? Something else?
 
  • #432
My condolences to JRF's loved ones too. <modsnip> .... this must be a distressing and perplexing situation to face. MOO.
 
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  • #433
Does anyone know of someone with direct connection to the Jeep community in that area? There’s an active club who regularly off road in state park area including Howard Canyon area, a direct contact might be more effective.
 
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Interesting comment. I had wondered why LE had contact with JRF at that time. Could FJ have called 911 for a DV situation? A neighbor called because of hearing a fight? Something else?
It seems like two possibilities. 1) If police were at the mobile home park on another matter (at any time between her arrival and July 22nd) and spoke to him just coincidentally, and that information is included just to confirm she was likely there.

2) They were called specifically to JRF's home by someone on the 22nd. It seems like a glaring omission to not include in a probable cause affidavit that it was a DV call, but it would also make the police look terrible and can lead to terminations. In DV calls, this is why they often will arrest someone, to prevent them from spending that night together.

When I first read it, I assumed #1, that they were just setting the stage, because #2 seems like too much of a material omission. But rereading that, I'm questioning it and wondering if #2 is correct. And that would also explain the perceived reluctance on the part of the sheriff's office, because of the possibility their jobs could be on the line.

Very sad in all events.
 
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  • #436
Could the friend (DH) have felt something was off when he visited and took pics of FJ cleaning? What was she cleaning up? Had there already been an issue at that point? Maybe he made a report???
 
  • #437
Would the flooding be strong enough to move or damage truck?

Could have been. Sometimes the earth just washes out from under a vehicle. Interesting theory on the reason the truck is "banged up." It doesn't sound to me as if it was on its side or upside down, but that doesn't mean it didn't move from where JRF parked it.

August 1 appears to be the date when LE finds the door of the mobile home open (and the smell of decomp). It's very hard to envision all these facts fitting into one picture, but it's always this way in real life cases - many dots that don't always connect.

Since Fang's backpack was found south of Highway 78, it's possible it too was moved by water. Thing is, it's hard to posit a situation where the two of them went *back* to that area around July 31-August 1, leaving the trailer door open, etc. If JRF transported a body (hinted at by the smell of decomp) then the interior of his truck should still have evidence that cadaver dogs would hit on, IMO. I won't be surprised at all if when the MoD/CoD are revealed, that we also learn about other investigative measures (such as thorough telemetry on the truck).

It's really weird that JRF's phone pings up that way on July 24. If DH reported JRF missing on July 30 (I think that was the date), did he stop by the trailer and look around? Is he the one who left the door open? If it was already open, did he too go inside and take a look/smell decomp?)

Was it his report near the end of July (with details and perhaps with those pictures of Jin Fang cleaning) that triggered LE to go to the mobile home (again) on August 1? Didn't take long to get the SW, in any case. SW already indicates that homicide is a possibility.

IMO.

As to why DH took those pictures of Jin Fang, I can think of only one. He may have taken more, but he took a video of her cleaning and gave it to LE, probably gave them that as part of his concern about two missing persons. IIRC, Fang's family reported her missing on July 24.

Of course we don’t have all factors to answer but

Attempting to be sensitive but trying to better understand potential effect of flooding in that area, from impact of Hurricane was flooding strong enough to have caused damage to the truck or washed evidence away from truck including JRF remains?

How would we know? There are cameras and a weather station just north of Highway 78, but nothing on the south side. Everyone was warned to stay away from such areas as the hurricane approached and other cars in other places got swept away. The investigators could surely tell by the condition of the truck whether it was moved by water. If the truck was moved by water, even just a little, the water could surely move a human body.

The scant evidence we see in JRF's bones (both groups entangled in water polished granite rocks, in sandy soil) could indicate that his body was moved by water as well. Would also account for the missing teeth (an assumption on my part).

However, I do believe both were missing since end of July, when did that truck get up there? I figure that searches are still ongoing - of the other couple of washes, on the view that JRF for sure went up toward Harper Canyon, possibly past the point where his body was found (that may even be likely, since only some larger bones were found - the smaller ones would have been carried further as the flood went on). In that area, the water comes rushing down ravines, gullies and canyons (you can see all of the marks of that on the satellite photos) but when things flatten out, there's a large puddle which pretty quickly sinks into the sandy soil.

Indeed, after such events some people do go out to look for bones or fossils (and not too far up from where JRF was found, there is a winter village site where ancient Native Americans sheltered during the wetter months (the village is well away from the top of any ravine, of course). People look for stone tools, etc, as they are buried in the sediments up there and some reappear frequently after a hard rain. According to weather underground, the general region received a dumping of rain (about 2-3 inches) on August 20-21. Could be 4 inches in the park, easy. I know that doesn't sound like much, but if it hits the higher elevations (with harder rock on the flats), it can easily turn into a gully washer. Brief, but powerful.

IMO.
 
  • #438
What is odd about that is it said July 3rd. Plenty of reasonable reasons to buy duct tape and this was more than 10 days before she was even in the US. I wonder if that part was included just to connect his truck to him or to connect him to the other male mentioned.
Depending on what LE may end up finding and how they conclude their investigation, it could potentially prove relevant.
 
  • #439
From a volunteer Search & Recue member , we got a message that Jin's backpack would have been found nearby the rd 78 (washed down by the Canyon rains ?) 2 or 3 miles from trailhead- Harper Canyon , his truck was on the other end of Harper Canyon, nearby Pinion Wash.... please all ... focus helping search in that location area for finding Jin Fang
This map is taken from an off-road site with the main trails in the desert area. That huge grey area in the center is Harper Flat. But @mark1969 says the truck was found in Pinion Wash, a commonly used trail but not at all commonly used in late July when the temps are over 110 degrees. Speculation: If the truck became disabled, would JRF tell FJ to stay in the truck while he walked for help? Was the air conditioning working in the truck or was the truck not running? How long could FJ run the air conditioning before the truck was out of gas? Then, what would FJ do if JRF had not returned for say, 12 to 24 hours? Would she have ventured out on her own? The truck does not look like 4-wheel drive to me (but it could be, I am no expert).

@mark1969 do you have any info on the date the truck was found in Pinion Wash?


 

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  • #440
Yeah those pictures of her cleaning are really odd, but more concerning than creepy (imo). You can see they were taken in secret from his lap and behind the table, but then he willingly shared them with the news so I don't think it was for nefarious reasons. There's something negative going on. She's hunched over even when standing up.

Was also wondering who keeps their documents under their mattress and has a Ring camera, but don't close the door when they leave the house...? If the friend was such a good friend he had a key he'd also have locked the door when leaving I'd assume?

I was hoping the next update would give some answers but here we go more questions.....

@mark1969 I'm in Europe too and I was able to open the articles with the Opera browser (free VPN).
 
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