Found Deceased CA - Fang Jin, 47, flew to LA from China, train to Palm Springs, Morongo Basin, 21 Jul 2023, w/ John Root Fitzpatrick, 55, (fnd dec.), 30 Jul ‘23 #3

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For anyone else hitting access issues, here are screenshots of the most recent article from cbs8, a San Diego affiliate.

San diego is has a much larger population, local news has more eyeballs, and San Bernardino and San Diego often work closely out in the desert.
 

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  • #322
For anyone else hitting access issues, here are screenshots of the most recent article from cbs8, a San Diego affiliate.

San diego is has a much larger population, local news has more eyeballs, and San Bernardino and San Diego often work closely out in the desert.

"Shortly thereafter, Fitzpatrick's 4-wheel-drive Toyota Tacoma was found damaged and abandoned in the area south of the Harper Flat."

The truck was found SOUTH of Harper Flat? That's not Pinyon Wash Road or Pinyon Mountain Road, both of which are north-west of Harper Flat.
 
  • #323
I'm wondering how the truck ended up wherever it was if it has to be removed by helicopter. Sounds like it wasn't parked and it wasn't near a road. Did someone push it off a cliff or can very bad weather have moved it?

@mark1969 , my sincerest condolences to you and to Fang's friends and family, and especially her daughters. Hoping for quick identification and that all the answers you need can be found.
 
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I'm wondering how the truck ended up wherever it was if it has to be removed by helicopter. Sounds like it wasn't parked and it wasn't near a road. Did someone push it off a cliff or can very bad weather have moved it?

@mark1969 , my sincerest condolences to you and to Fang's friends and family, and especially her daughters. Hoping for quick identification and that all the answers you need can be found.
No idea, but it may be something as simple as it isn't safe or possible for a tow truck to get to it, wherever it is.

MOO
 
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I don't think this full video has been posted yet...
 
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“You have a 47-year-old woman with two beautiful daughters, one in college, the other young girl’s something like 7 years old. And all of a sudden, they don't have a mother. And so, it hits you that it's a tragedy,” said Schmidt.

“She came here for romantic purposes had been texting him for something like six months prior to coming here. And they definitely had rapport. And her expectation was that he was going to show her around the area, Morongo Valley, Morongo Basin, Joshua Tree State Park, and see whether the relationship developed,” said Schmidt.
 
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Dear WS members .... in the middle of this search for answers , we already want to thank you all for your amazing support in this journey....
We hope that this support can be maintained until more questions of the cause of dead can be released....and more answers can be given to the family, friends and specially to daughter E (just celebrated her 10th birthday in Belgium last month) and daughter L ( who is studying in China)
 
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Dear WS members .... in the middle of this search for answers , we already want to thank you all for your amazing support in this journey....
We hope that this support can be maintained until more questions of the cause of dead can be released....and more answers can be given to the family, friends and specially to daughter E (just celebrated her 10th birthday in Belgium last month) and daughter L ( who is studying in China)

I am so sorry for your loss and of daughter E's loss, too, mark1969.
 
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Dear WS members .... in the middle of this search for answers , we already want to thank you all for your amazing support in this journey....
We hope that this support can be maintained until more questions of the cause of dead can be released....and more answers can be given to the family, friends and specially to daughter E (just celebrated her 10th birthday in Belgium last month) and daughter L ( who is studying in China)
Please know that whatever our diverse and differing beliefs and backgrounds, we are sharing this experience with you. For all that most of us came to sleuthing because we like a puzzle, for the majority of us, following a case is a deeply emotional thing, and we wish more than anything for an outcome that is happy, and if a happy outcome is not possible, then one that provides answers and healing for loved ones. None of us had a personal relationship with Fang or John, but I think I don't overreach to say that I think all of us wanted them to come home, somehow, and for there to be some clarity as to what happened to cause them to vanish without warning. I truly hope that you and the others who care about them get the answers you seek.

MOO
 
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  • #330
My thoughts are with the loved ones as they process all of this and wait for more answers.
 
  • #331
"Shortly thereafter, Fitzpatrick's 4-wheel-drive Toyota Tacoma was found damaged and abandoned in the area south of the Harper Flat."

The truck was found SOUTH of Harper Flat? That's not Pinyon Wash Road or Pinyon Mountain Road, both of which are north-west of Harper Flat.
Pinyon Mountain Road actually does lie to the south.

See this map.

Pinyon%20Road%20map.jpg
 
  • #332
Pinyon Mountain Road actually does lie to the south.

See this map.

Pinyon%20Road%20map.jpg

I guess it's personal interpretation, because Pinyon Mountain Road seems to be more to the west and heading north to me. If I said south of Harper Flat, I'd be talking about the area marked as Hapaha Flat and Fish Creek.
 
  • #333
I guess it's personal interpretation, because Pinyon Mountain Road seems to be more to the west and heading north to me. If I said south of Harper Flat, I'd be talking about the area marked as Hapaha Flat and Fish Creek.
I don't think the actual names of the roads matter that much, as these are just dirt 4x4 trails.

I guess the larger point is that there is a road/trail that runs south of Harper Flat. If the truck was found near there it's likely that's the route they took.

Edit - One question I have that perhaps a local could clarify. Is it only the area by Heart Attack Hill that's one way and the rest of the road, whatever the name, can be driven in either direction?
 
  • #334
I hope we learn whether the truck was wrecked due to the terrain or to gully wash.

If they were night camping and night driving, to avoid the high heat of day, if they wrecked at night, they may have been trying to walk to safety and daytime heat overtook them. Brutal environment.

Even the most careful planning can turn deadly.

I hope the investigation can piece it together.

JMO
 
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I don't think the actual names of the roads matter that much, as these are just dirt 4x4 trails.

I guess the larger point is that there is a road/trail that runs south of Harper Flat. If the truck was found near there it's likely that's the route they took.

Edit - One question I have that perhaps a local could clarify. Is it only the area by Heart Attack Hill that's one way and the rest of the road, whatever the name, can be driven in either direction?

I think @tvscum was the first to mention Fish Creek, and I'm starting to think the theory they posted might be corrrect:

The exact location of the truck has not been made public. The SD Sheriff released a statement saying the truck was found on Harper Flat, but that can't be true unless he drove through that fence. MOO. Also, if he came south from Hwy 78 down Pinyon Wash and got stuck. I think he would have walked back north to 78. I also do not think he came through the squeeze or down Pinyon Drop Off. Those routes are too scary. IMO. So that leaves me thinking he drove up Fish Creek from the south and eventually reached that fence at Harper Flat, and veered off from there into one of the nearby washes (maybe toward Harper Cabin) or up toward Pinyon Drop Off from the south side and became disabled.

I've marked the approximate route on this Google Map:

fish creek.jpg
 
  • #336
I really home that, in the final analysis, foul play is ruled out, and definitively.

Just a little bit of star crossed lovers....

And maybe some eventual comfort that they died together...

My heart goes out especially to FJ's children and to those who loved her most.

JMO
 
  • #337
I really hope Fang's family and friends are provided with a fair level of information from now on, whether foul play is ruled out or not.
They deserve it.
 
  • #338
HEAT EXHAUSTION is due to hyperthermia and lead to HEAT STROKE, which can be fatal. I have personal experience, too, and my signal symptom is a bad headache, as I am not at all prone to headaches. Pale skin, fair hair with ancestors from the cold north, I am not genetically adapted to live in hot or especially hot and humid environments. I have to retreat to the shade and get wet cloths on me to bring my temp down.

I have experience with it too. And I know first hand that as my body temperature went up, at one point I entered a state of euphoria and was not acting like myself at all. I was driving a truck that had no A/C in the Mojave. My internal body temperature when we got to Needles (family was in A/C car) was a bit over 102. Fortunately, the person driving the other car saw right away that I was not okay. I thought I was okay.

It was 118 in the shade in Needles. I'd been driving in that heat for a couple of hours, used up all my water (and through a misunderstanding, the driver of the other car had taken my bigger water jug. I had the paradoxical chills at one point as well.
Early warning signs include a flushed face, hyperventilation, headache, dizziness, nausea, arm tingling, piloerection, paradoxical chilliness, incoordination, and confusion. Pain may not be present and there may be euphoria.
^https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/medicine-and-dentistry/heat-exhaustion

My daughter experienced heat stroke in Havasu City, to the point that she lost consciousness. She too went through the euphoria phase and onward to a very bad headache and other symptoms. So my case was likely heat exhaustion and hers was probably heatstroke.

In Death Valley, a man on a motorcycle experienced heat stroke, lost consciousness while driving, and died from the resulting death. In Grand Canyon, I assisted in a search for a young man from West Virginia who died of heat stroke only 2 miles from safety, having wandered off the Grandview Trail in search of (non-existent) shade. His death resulted in the park deciding to put bigger signs with better instructions about heat at every trailhead.

So any time someone goes missing in July in the Mojave, I can't help but think heat could be a factor - even moderate heat exhaustion can cause confusion, euphoria, paradoxical chilling, etc.

This scenario would presume that the victims were out of their A/C truck for more than 15-20 minutes and in full sun (which they would be near Harper Flat, no trees, no large boulders, no shade at all). I'm sure it's a scenario that has been considered by LE in their search, and it's very hard to diagnose from a skeleton (if not impossible). In the Grand Canyon case I mentioned, the determination was made due to the man's having run out of water and having curled up under a small pinyon. It was about 110-112 along the trail that day. In that case, dehydration did play a role. In the motorcycle guy's case, it appeared he still had water, but had been driving (in a helmet) for more than an hour in 117-118F heat. He was in his 50's. Medics were able to get his core body temperature soon after the wreck.

But anyway, it's hard to diagnose from a skeleton.

IMO.
 
  • #339
I just saw the article.

It sure sounds as if they think it's Jin Fang. I'm so sorry, @mark1969

It sounds as if the truck was found *south* of Harper Flat and in a situation where it cannot be driven. Was JRF attempting to off-road? Sounds like they both got out of the truck, if both of them died up there.

This is tragic.
 
  • #340
That's why I'm asking how common it is for LE to outright lie rather than say "no comment."

We know they conducted a search, with a homicide attachment, on the 1st of August. We know the Sheriff's Dept. said there was no criminal investigation and no suspects on August 9.

So did the search on the 1st find nothing to warrant opening a criminal investigation, or were they lying when they said there wasn't one? We can't know which is the case, but it presumably has to be one or the other.

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As far as the condition of the truck is concerned, I'm from the UK and to me saying something is "pretty wrecked" means it's destroyed. But it's a very ambiguous word that can be both an under or overstatement. It can mean almost anything. From what you've said, in SoCal, "pretty wrecked" has a much narrower meaning. So I appreciate you telling me that.

Now that it's been revealed that the truck has to be coptered out, I assume it means it's entirely off a road and unable to be moved by regular means - it is in a gully or ravine or similar, IMO. Apparently people do off-road up there. Did he drive off the edge of Harper Flat? Intentionally or unintentionally? (Did he think his truck was up to a descent down one of the washes?)

Perhaps the bones *will* tell a story, if there was an accident. Maybe he decided to try off-roading and got (very) stuck. I can also picture an accident where he unintentionally drove into a ravine, especially if they'd been hiking and he was already impaired by heat. There was a case on a similar flat in either Idaho or Montana, where a man was backing up on a flat and went off the edge.

This particular "plunge" would have been survivable, explaining why the bodies were not in the car. Perhaps they were both injured.

It's just so sad.
 

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