CA CA - Fresno Co, near I-5, WhtFem 17-25, HC866, in shallow grave, Jul'93

[Romulus]

Anyone can I help me for submitted this case into Namus database? My english is very very bad!

 

[KaylaraOwl]

What language(s) do you speak?

 

[ClaireNC]

I just sent an email to the Fresno Sheriff's office cold case unit to see if there are any photos available, more information and if there have been any rule-outs. This case does feel like it could be solved if we had a reconstruction and photos of the clothing and accessories. As Springrain mentioned it would be good to get a photo of the ring circulated via social media.

(Sorry, Romulus. I don't know anything about getting cases submitted into NamUs.)

 

[Romulus]

(Sorry, Romulus. I don't know anything about getting cases submitted into NamUs.)

2. CA - Three Rocks, WhtFem, 17-25, ring with picture of boy about 3/4 years old, Jul'93 - Fresno County Sheriff-Coroner's Office website- NamUs rep - Dustin Driscoll - [email protected]

This is the address for email Claire!

 

[Romulus]

What language(s) do you speak?

Italian and bad very bad english!

 

[cvaldez1975]

I grew up on Madera and I think I remember that case, although it wasn't the only one. It was either 90 or 91 that Arlene Sanchez and Dorothy medina were murdered by gangs and I got interested in crime then. So I think I took mental note of that case. Or one like it.

My father worked on various farms in Three Rocks from 1988 until 1992, and was born & raised nearby, so he is very familiar with this area.

During last summer, the two of us were driving down rows of fields in Huron. He motioned to one of the fields, and said "There was a dead man dumped there." He explained that, when he was doing work in the fields around 1990, he happened upon the body of a Hispanic guy. He couldn't remember if he'd been stabbed or shot, but he was murdered. He added that, in that area, there were lots of farm workers, some of which were illegal immigrants.

I'm thinking the UID woman may have been an illegal immigrant and either the communication between the two countries in the early '90s was poor, or that her family feared filing a missing person report for her out of fear of being discovered as illegal immigrants.

I think this case could really benefit from a facial reconstruction--someone that worked there around that time may recognize her from that. There is a decent chance my father could've known her at one point, so I would really love to see a reconstruction.

 

[Romulus]

2. CA - Three Rocks, WhtFem, 17-25, ring with picture of boy about 3/4 years old, Jul'93 - Fresno County Sheriff-Coroner's Office website- NamUs rep - Dustin Driscoll - [email protected]

This is the address for email Claire!

Also for this case I write email at NamUs rep - Dustin Driscoll - for this case for add this in Namus database; i hope who this enter in Namus

 

[Romulus]

[FONT=&quot]Dustin Driscoll reply my email

Hey there Ivan,[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]No trouble at all, thanks for emailing. I appreciate this because I am not always able to search and ask agencies to enter cases. The job is extremely busy, especially my area so I don’t always get to catch cases like this when they should be in NamUs. However, the Coroner’s office in California will have to be the one to enter in the case, but no worries because I just emailed them and asked if they would be willing to enter this case into the system. Now, I can’t force them to enter but I told them that it would be very helpful if we could get this case into NamUs, so let’s cross our fingers it works out.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Have yourself a great day, Ivan and thank you for caring about these cases.[/FONT]
[FONT=wf_segoe-ui_normal][FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Dustin Driscoll[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Regional System Administrator - AZ, CA, HI, NV[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]National Missing & Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]3500 Camp Bowie Blvd, 6[SUP]th[/SUP] Floor[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Fort Worth, TX 76107[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Phone: (817) 240-4106[/FONT]
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[Romulus]

Also for this case I write email at NamUs rep - Dustin Driscoll - for this case for add this in Namus database; i hope who this enter in Namus

This case is now in Namus!
https://identifyus.org/en/cases/16016

 

[Odyssey]

Hmm, NamUs gives age of 35-40, while DN still has 17-25. That may give us a wider age range to work with, hopefully it wasn't an error.

 

[digitective]

Is there no Namus for this? If there is, I can't find it.

Think it's here: https://identifyus.org/en/cases/16016
But I'm confused as to why The Doe Network says the UP's age is 17 - 25 when NamUs says 35 - 40. Quite a discrepancy there...

 

[digitective]

Christine fits this, except for the ring. But her height, weight, ect.....is very close. And the gold cap, unsure of.

Did anyone submit Christine? There are no exclusions listed on NamUs. Although, both the UP and Christine have dental records in the system, so they would probably have matched automatically, if they were a fit...
Did some digging on Christine and it doesn't look like she had a son, although of course the child in the ring could be a nephew or other loved one.
There doesn't seem to be a missing persons thread for Christine but I'm confused about why she was living with a random 33-year-old man and where all her clothes / belongings were?

 

[digitective]

Thoughts on Denise ?
https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/10152/
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/f/fagot_denise.html
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...Lancaster-2-March-1989&highlight=denise+🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬

Missing with her blond toddler son: http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/s/spangle_daniel.html

Although, both she and the UP have dentals entered in the system.

 

[Romulus]

Doe Network link update

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1405ufca.html

1405UFCA - Unidentified Female

Date of Discovery: July 12, 1993
Location of Discovery: Three Rocks, Fresno County, California
Estimated Date of Death: 2 or more months prior
State of Remains: Decomposed
Cause of Death: Homicide
Physical Description

Estimated Age: 35-40 years old
Race: White
Sex: Female
Height: 5'4"
Weight: 120-130 lbs.
Hair Color: Dark to medium brown. 10-18" long
Eye Color: Unknown
Distinguishing Marks/Features: Unknown
Identifiers

Dentals: Available. Gold cap on an upper right molar.
Fingerprints: Unknown (sources differ).
DNA: Not available.

Clothing & Personal Items

Clothing: She was wearing a tan-colored T-shirt with "California" and three rats on the front and back of the shirt; a white long-sleeved shirt with navy pinstripes; white lace bra; cutoff jean pants size 34/30. A white sock and light yellow full armed shirt with the left arm area being recently torn were found with the remains.
Jewelry: A silver cross and a ring on her right ring finger. Mounted on it was a picture of a boy, about 3 or 4 years old. He appears in a tiny black-and-white photograph with light-colored hair, wearing what appears to be a dark polo-type shirt. There's no clue where the picture was taken, and police have no idea who the boy might be.
Additional Personal Items: Unknown
Circumstances of Discovery

The victim was located when an anonymous caller, likely a passing motorist, telephoned the Sheriff's Department and reported seeing a hand protruding from dirt along the Kamm Avenue off ramp, near Three Rocks, a tiny farming community about 50 miles southwest of Fresno.
The badly decomposed body of a woman was unearthed. It could have been there more than two months.
A fingerprint check with the state's Department of Justice computer records, which also includes records from other western states, came up empty.
Missing-persons cases from throughout the state were checked with no matches. With the body so close to I-5, investigators assumed the woman could have been from almost anywhere.
Although the cause of death has not been determined, Fresno County sheriff's detectives are handling the case as a homicide.

Investigating Agency(s)

Agency Name: Fresno County Sheriff - Coroner's Office
Agency Contact Person: Kelly Matlock
Agency Phone Number: 559-600-3400
Agency E-Mail: Coroner(at)fresnosheriff.org
Agency Case Number: 93-07.029
Agency Name: Fresno County Sheriff's Department: Homicide Cold Case Unit
Agency Contact Person: N/A
Agency Phone Number: 559-488-3638
Agency E-Mail: N/A
Agency Case Number: Unknown
NCIC Case Number: Unknown
NamUs Case Number: 16016
Former Hot Case Number: 866
Information Source(s)

NamUs
The Fresno Bee

 

[Melt71]

www.namus.gov/UnidentifiedPersons/Case#/16016 any great ideas? This case hasn't been updated in Namus in more than 3 years. It sounds like she had lovely hair, 10-18 inches.

 

[Tired Professor]

Bump. Just thinking about this case lately. It kills me that she had a ring on her with a picture of a little boy. He is probably grown now wondering where she is .

 

[Constellations]

I can try looking for the ID of this Jane Doe. It's just a shame that there's no reconstruction or rule outs.

*Also it seems there's no distinctive marks available

 

[Tired Professor]

I can try looking for the ID of this Jane Doe. It's just a shame that there's no reconstruction or rule outs.

*Also it seems there's no distinctive marks available

Exactly! So much info is lacking. Where is the picture of the boy? Reconstruction? DNA available? I would love to see an organization like DNA doe project take this if there is!

 

[Tired Professor]

Exactly! So much info is lacking. Where is the picture of the boy? Reconstruction? DNA available? I would love to see an organization like DNA doe project take this if there is!

Ok, In reading over the thread it appears there is no DNA available. I wonder if there is a body that can be exhumed to extract some?

 

[Constellations]

Ok, In reading over the thread it appears there is no DNA available. I wonder if there is a body that can be exhumed to extract some?

Maybe I can email the sheriff department or someone who's in charge of the case and find out.