I think this was a professional hit. The family may have been experiencing money problems. The restaurant in Lakeside, Mario's was closed and turned over to another family to run under the name Ottavios. Gianni's family had a restaurant in Provo, Utah that they closed in July of 2009 before moving to San Diego. The family also has a pasta and Italian sauce company.
GUILTY CA - Gianni, 24, & Sal Belvedere, 22, Ilona Flint, 22, San Diego, 24 Dec 2013 - #1
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We know, according to previous LE reports, that Gianni's credit cards, phone, etc., were not used during this month he's been missing. So, how was he surviving if he was on the run? Was he managing to stay under cover, and then kill himself recently?
If someone else abducted Gianni, I know I speculated before that someone could have his car hidden in their garage or covered somewhere. But it doesn't make sense though, no matter which way I look at it! You'd think if there was a person holding onto Gianni and his car that they'd want to ditch the connection to the crimes asap.
http://www.10news.com/news/body-fou...ble-fatal-shooting-in-san-diego-mall-01182014
"Alcarez says the car had not been parked there for long."
"I did work two days ago and I didn't see a... I parked right where the car is parked. I usually park in that same spot and it wasn't there," she said."
"It conflicts with what a reporter on the scene told 10News -- that whoever it is, they had been dead for some time."
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If someone else abducted Gianni, I know I speculated before that someone could have his car hidden in their garage or covered somewhere. But it doesn't make sense though, no matter which way I look at it! You'd think if there was a person holding onto Gianni and his car that they'd want to ditch the connection to the crimes asap.
http://www.10news.com/news/body-fou...ble-fatal-shooting-in-san-diego-mall-01182014
"Alcarez says the car had not been parked there for long."
"I did work two days ago and I didn't see a... I parked right where the car is parked. I usually park in that same spot and it wasn't there," she said."
"It conflicts with what a reporter on the scene told 10News -- that whoever it is, they had been dead for some time."
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The family was setting up a specialty food company called La Primavera Specialty Foods in Lakeside. Gluten free pastas, sauces, etc. They had applied for a trademark and were beginning to market the business in the middle of 2013. As of now, there is only a Facebook page for the company and no other news or website. Could money/business problems have been involved?
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Laprimavera-Specialty-Foods/620892677936678
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Laprimavera-Specialty-Foods/620892677936678
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I'm bumping my own post to go back to a possible theory that there might have been two suspects.
I just can't understand how one suspect could shoot them in their car, but also manage to abduct Gianni and get his car.
Is the suspect wearing tan pants, the same suspect that had the sweater with stripes on the sleeve?
Gianni Belvedere was the founder of the specialty food company in Provo and then moved it to Lakeside in 2013. Filing for a U.S. trademark in August, 2013, using the Lakeside address. This was a very ambitious undertaking and would require a substantial amount of working capital.
They were going to produce and distribute frozen gluten free pizzas and pastas i.e. manicotti cannelloni ravioli, cookies, pizza crusts. Also have a traditional Italian line called Italian classics (NON gluten free) pizzas, pasta lasagna, ravioli, manicotti, cannelloni, soups sauces, cookies.
They were going to produce and distribute frozen gluten free pizzas and pastas i.e. manicotti cannelloni ravioli, cookies, pizza crusts. Also have a traditional Italian line called Italian classics (NON gluten free) pizzas, pasta lasagna, ravioli, manicotti, cannelloni, soups sauces, cookies.
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That is the second victim I recall who owned or was starting a gluten free business. :banghead:
My kids are gluten free... we need more of those!
Just FYI, it may be law but very few people have them in Utah.
We have over a dozen trailers and vehicles.
Only 1 has a front plate (the truck) and I do not know anyone who's been ticketed for it.
That is one of those things cops just don't ticket for 99.9% of the time in Utah. :twocents:
Obviously I can't speak for California, but it wouldn't be at all weird in Utah.
My kids are gluten free... we need more of those!
Just FYI, it may be law but very few people have them in Utah.
We have over a dozen trailers and vehicles.
Only 1 has a front plate (the truck) and I do not know anyone who's been ticketed for it.
That is one of those things cops just don't ticket for 99.9% of the time in Utah. :twocents:
Obviously I can't speak for California, but it wouldn't be at all weird in Utah.
In California a front license plate is a low priority. If LE pulls you over for an infraction they may write a "fix-it" ticket for the missing front plate.
When to do pull someone over for a missing plate, it's usually because they want "probable cause" to see if you are stoned or drunk.
In locales where red light cameras or speeding cameras are used, the local police will enforce the front plate law more rigorously. In San Diego, most of the red light cameras are being removed as they have fallen out of favor.
When to do pull someone over for a missing plate, it's usually because they want "probable cause" to see if you are stoned or drunk.
In locales where red light cameras or speeding cameras are used, the local police will enforce the front plate law more rigorously. In San Diego, most of the red light cameras are being removed as they have fallen out of favor.
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This could only get weirder if it's not Gianni who was in the trunk.
Live on http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/loc...hooting-Car-Found-in-Riverside-240944071.html
Reporting that the body is confirmed as Gianni Belvedere. MSM should update shortly and please feel free to link when it does. I'm off for awhile....
Reporting that the body is confirmed as Gianni Belvedere. MSM should update shortly and please feel free to link when it does. I'm off for awhile....
From that link... The autopsy will not be done until sometime this week, possibly Wed.
Waiting.
Another witness, perhaps more credible because she lives next to the shopping mall, has given a different account from the Subway employee's "2 days" in the parking space.
CBS News 8 spoke with people who work at the shopping center. One woman said the car had been parked here for two days.
But another woman, who lives nearby and comes here every night to feed stray cats, claims something different.
"At least maybe a week to a week and a half being in the same spot under the same tree, just 200 feet away," Karen Regalado said.
http://www.cbs8.com/story/24491046/911-tapes-may-offer-new-clues-in-belvedere-case
CBS News 8 spoke with people who work at the shopping center. One woman said the car had been parked here for two days.
But another woman, who lives nearby and comes here every night to feed stray cats, claims something different.
"At least maybe a week to a week and a half being in the same spot under the same tree, just 200 feet away," Karen Regalado said.
http://www.cbs8.com/story/24491046/911-tapes-may-offer-new-clues-in-belvedere-case
Yes the autopsy is scheduled for Wednesday. According to reporters (watch video) it is confirmed by family that the body is that of Gianni.
Video: http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/loc...hooting-Car-Found-in-Riverside-240944071.html
Also another regarding the 911 tapes:
http://www.cbs8.com/story/24491046/911-tapes-may-offer-new-clues-in-belvedere-case
Of course none of this has been confirmed by LE. :fence:
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More from the Union-Tribune today:
Very interesting that they knowingly did not include a full description to the public.
Curious if they doubted those first descriptions or if it was strategy not releasing that it may have been a BMA, or the clothing that would have been more descriptive.
VERY odd that the one thing they had released - the tan pants - does NOT appear in the other descriptions even what was aired to officers.
Was that not correct?
If multiple people apparently saw the person, as it sounds given the slight variations in leaving the car, walking toward a car, etc. it's odd the tan pants would have been remembered over ethnicity and the more notable striped sweater. You'd think that'd have been the overlooked thing - maybe saying NOT wearing jeans, but to have remembered the pant colour is interesting.
OR they saw more and for some reason, that that part's really all that had been released. But then even moreso that if THAT is what had been released - and the sweater or race, both far more likely to be helpful or memorable to possible other witnesses who'd realize they may have also seen the person - weren't released until now, why?
It'd almost seem like they had a possible person in mind (or something had them confident that description wasn't correct somehow) and didn't want to tip them off. Otherwise why exclude the info that would have been most likely to assist in the public being able to help find the suspect and/or find Gianni?
Is there someone close to them that would fit that description and they didn't want that person tipped off that they were aware he may be involved?
What I find most interesting about this is that it says two were interviewed at length AFTER. I'd suspect that is because then they discovered there was a third person potentially either an additional victim or a possible suspect, which didn't seem to be known initially.
I'd love to know how long after those more extensive interviews took place. And I'm curious why those were ones they went back to to talk more with vs. however many others may not have been revisited for additional/more in depth interviews.
Very interesting that they knowingly did not include a full description to the public.
Curious if they doubted those first descriptions or if it was strategy not releasing that it may have been a BMA, or the clothing that would have been more descriptive.
VERY odd that the one thing they had released - the tan pants - does NOT appear in the other descriptions even what was aired to officers.
Was that not correct?
If multiple people apparently saw the person, as it sounds given the slight variations in leaving the car, walking toward a car, etc. it's odd the tan pants would have been remembered over ethnicity and the more notable striped sweater. You'd think that'd have been the overlooked thing - maybe saying NOT wearing jeans, but to have remembered the pant colour is interesting.
OR they saw more and for some reason, that that part's really all that had been released. But then even moreso that if THAT is what had been released - and the sweater or race, both far more likely to be helpful or memorable to possible other witnesses who'd realize they may have also seen the person - weren't released until now, why?
It'd almost seem like they had a possible person in mind (or something had them confident that description wasn't correct somehow) and didn't want to tip them off. Otherwise why exclude the info that would have been most likely to assist in the public being able to help find the suspect and/or find Gianni?
Is there someone close to them that would fit that description and they didn't want that person tipped off that they were aware he may be involved?
What I find most interesting about this is that it says two were interviewed at length AFTER. I'd suspect that is because then they discovered there was a third person potentially either an additional victim or a possible suspect, which didn't seem to be known initially.
I'd love to know how long after those more extensive interviews took place. And I'm curious why those were ones they went back to to talk more with vs. however many others may not have been revisited for additional/more in depth interviews.
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Thank you for the link SDHELPS.
Snip from the updated story:
"A car connected to a man missing since the deadly Christmas Eve shooting of his fiancée and brother outside a San Diego mall was found in Riverside, Calif., on Friday, officials confirmed. Inside the trunk, police found the decomposed body of a man.
On Saturday, a family member of the missing man confirmed the body is that of Tierrasanta resident Gianni Belvedere, 24.
According to the San Diego Police Department, the 2004 green Toyota Camry tied to Belvedere was found at 12:30 p.m. Friday in the 19500-block of Van Buren Boulevard by Riverside police officers.
On Friday night, the website of the Riverside County coroner's office listed the person in the trunk as 24 years old, adding that the person was the "victim of a homicide."
More including embedded video @ link....
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Okay, if it was "confirmed by the family" then he was definitely not there more than a few days.
They would not have had the family identify him if he'd been dead since December. :twocents:
Or did they use dental records to ID him and the family is just telling the media it's him?
I'm not sure what they mean by "confirmed by the family..."
They would not have had the family identify him if he'd been dead since December. :twocents:
Or did they use dental records to ID him and the family is just telling the media it's him?
I'm not sure what they mean by "confirmed by the family..."
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Since the coroner's website already had published the age of the decedent on Friday and the family is said to have confirmed the name on Saturday I interpret it as saying he had been identified earlier and the family told the press on Saturday that it's Gianni.
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Media all seem to be awaiting a definitive ID, but I'll be amazed if this is not Gianni.
How strange it seems that the cause of death - homicide - has been announced so quickly, before ID. Decomposition sounds as though it was pretty advanced, so I am guessing the signs of homicide must have been very obvious and nothing that could be confused with suicide. So maybe Gianni was bound?
I can't think what's happened here. I hope LE has much more info than they have mentioned.
What a terrible time for the poor family in this case. So much tragedy and death.
http://www.760kfmb.com/story/24486462/search-for-gianni-belvedere-ends-in-riverside
How strange it seems that the cause of death - homicide - has been announced so quickly, before ID. Decomposition sounds as though it was pretty advanced, so I am guessing the signs of homicide must have been very obvious and nothing that could be confused with suicide. So maybe Gianni was bound?
I can't think what's happened here. I hope LE has much more info than they have mentioned.
What a terrible time for the poor family in this case. So much tragedy and death.
http://www.760kfmb.com/story/24486462/search-for-gianni-belvedere-ends-in-riverside
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Here is the case number and the press release states next of kin informed, so officials obviously know who it is. I guess the press release with formal id will go up here sometime next week.
http://www.riversidesheriff.org/coroner/press/
http://www.riversidesheriff.org/coroner/press/
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Media all seem to be awaiting a definitive ID, but I'll be amazed if this is not Gianni.
How strange it seems that the cause of death - homicide - has been announced so quickly, before ID. Decomposition sounds as though it was pretty advanced, so I am guessing the signs of homicide must have been very obvious and nothing that could be confused with suicide. So maybe Gianni was bound?
I can't think what's happened here. I hope LE has much more info than they have mentioned.
What a terrible time for the poor family in this case. So much tragedy and death.
http://www.760kfmb.com/story/24486462/search-for-gianni-belvedere-ends-in-riverside
BBM - Apparently it could still be suicide. Quote from the below article:
Retired SDPD homicide detective Rick Carlson told 10News, "When you find a body in the trunk of a car, it's usually unusual but not out of character for someone that was confused and disoriented and has been involved in such a horrendous event already. You'll find that sometimes when people do commit suicide they look for places that are unusual to get to so people won't find them."
The medical examiner in Riverside County listed the 24-year-old man's body as being a victim of homicide.
10News asked Carlson if that ruled out the possibility of suicide. He said no.
http://www.10news.com/news/body-fou...ble-fatal-shooting-in-san-diego-mall-01182014
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I suspect they didn't do a visual confirmation (especially with this crazy heat - I'm not sure we've had but one day in the 50's since this all began Christmas Eve)
I'd guess it was probably by clothing found on him or such.
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