GUILTY CA - Gianni, 24, & Sal Belvedere, 22, Ilona Flint, 22, San Diego, 24 Dec 2013 - #1

[IzzyBlanche]

AFAIK there has been nothing, I mean absolutely nothing, in the MSM to suggest that these deaths were drug related, except speculation by the former FBI guy based on nothing at all except the need to fill a few minutes of air time.

So casual references to possible drug deals gone wrong is, IMO, just rubbing salt into the wounds of friends and family members who are going through the most horrific nightmare any of us can imagine. Whether they are actually reading here or not.

If LE actually comes out and says they think it's drug-related, that's another story. Barring that, any drug connections are all rumor as far as I'm concerned, and therefore against WS's TOS.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

This may be completely insignificant, but I found it interesting that Gianni's car was neatly backed into the space.

A stolen and dumped car sat in my work parking lot for a few days and it had been parked so carelessly that it was taking up three spaces. It seems to me a killer dumping a car with a body in it would park it equally carelessly if not more so. In the interest of getting the heck out of Dodge as fast as possible.

I used to be privately amused at a coworker who would every morning carefully back her ginormous Jeep Cherokee into one of the teeny tiny parking spaces where we worked. I could never figure out why. You've got to back up coming or going so unless you're expecting to have to make a quick getaway, why bother to do it upfront?

I wonder if Gianni or anyone close to him was in the habit of backing into parking spaces. In my experience not that many people are. And the ones that are are usually male, my aforementioned coworker being an exception.

 

[jash]

This may be completely insignificant, but I found it interesting that Gianni's car was neatly backed into the space.

A stolen and dumped car sat in my work parking lot for a few days and it had been parked so carelessly that it was taking up three spaces. It seems to me a killer dumping a car with a body in it would park it equally carelessly if not more so. In the interest of getting the heck out of Dodge as fast as possible.

I used to be privately amused at a coworker who would every morning carefully back her ginormous Jeep Cherokee into one of the teeny tiny parking spaces where we worked. I could never figure out why. You've got to back up coming or going so unless you're expecting to have to make a quick getaway, why bother to do it upfront?

I wonder if Gianni or anyone close to him was in the habit of backing into parking spaces. In my experience not that many people are. And the ones that are are usually male, my aforementioned coworker being an exception.

I almost always back my car into a spot (I'm female). I find it's safer when pulling out because I don't have to reverse into the driving lane "blind".

As far as Gianni's car being parked that way, it could have been done to afford more privacy when putting someone (or oneself) into the trunk. Or to try to obscure the Utah plate? Or just habit.

 

[FlamingoLady]

I almost always back my car into a spot (I'm female). I find it's safer when pulling out because I don't have to reverse into the driving lane "blind".

As far as Gianni's car being parked that way, it could have been done to afford more privacy when putting someone (or oneself) into the trunk. Or to try to obscure the Utah plate? Or just habit.

Law enforcement always backs into spaces.

 

[jash]

The red arrow marks where the car was parked.

Do we have any Riverside locals on the thread? I'm wondering about security cameras in that plaza. If the car's arrival was captured on tape, hopefully it was still available by the time the police came calling.

link: http://goo.gl/maps/NGb4P

 

[Mouse]

I always parked nose-out when I was in my early 20s, but mostly because I drove a series of clunkers (Chevette, anyone?) and needed a jump start more often than not. (That way a car could just pull up nose-to-nose to give me a jump.)

I think the "obscure the license plate" idea is a good one; a couple of states in the southwest don't require front plates (AZ and NM, I think), and California gets a lot of tourists, so a missing front plate might not automatically draw attention like a missing back plate surely would. I also wonder, if odor would be a concern, the thought might be that a smell would be less likely to be noticed as soon if parked that way (since most people would then be walking by the engine, instead of the trunk).

 

[Marg from Oz]

Richard Kukinski "The iceman" refrigerated one of his victims. When they did the autopsy they found the organs were frozen. You never know what some people will do to confuse the coroner . JMMO

 

[FlamingoLady]

The red arrow marks where the car was parked.

Do we have any Riverside locals on the thread? I'm wondering about security cameras in that plaza. If the car's arrival was captured on tape, hopefully it was still available by the time the police came calling.

link: http://goo.gl/maps/NGb4P

Great photo! Thank you! Well it was sure parked in the furthest, most outlying spot wasn't it? I just can't wrap my head around this one....hoping the truth is eventually found out.

 

[Curious Me]

I know, great photo for us thanks to jash. Thank You.

Of all places, it's an odd choice. I mean it's just a more populated place to either decide to get into the trunk or to dump a car with a body in it. However, if it was suppose to be reported or recognized right away, IMO, it wasn't for at least a few days.

The shootings in the mall were in such a public, populated place which stumps me also.

 

[azure]

Richard Kukinski "The iceman" refrigerated one of his victims. When they did the autopsy they found the organs were frozen. You never know what some people will do to confuse the coroner . JMMO

My problem with this theory is that in this case, LE knew two murders had been committed. Hiding Gianni's body or confusing the ME would not negate the double homicide that occurred earlier or make LE stop looking for the perp.

 

[Curious Me]

It'd be sloppy for a killer to take such chances, I'm thinking out loud now. These actions fit more with someone not making logical choices and under duress, and I want to lean towards all of this was unplanned except there was a gun with a possible silencer on it.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

It'd be sloppy for a killer to take such chances, I'm thinking out loud now. These actions fit more with someone not making logical choices and under duress, and I want to lean towards all of this was unplanned except there was a gun with a possible silencer on it.

I agree.

As for the silencer, I guess it depends on what kind of gun was used. Thinking back to the only time I can ever remember hearing actual gunshots, watching my dad shoot at cans in the pasture at my grandma's, I don't recall them as being that loud. And that was out in the country with no traffic noise or other urban/suburban sounds.

It seems to me that in a lot of news stories people who heard gunshots describe them as a pop pop pop sound that they might have mistaken for a car backfiring, or something other than what they were.

Also too it was the wee hours, even for last-minute Christmas shopping. So I wonder, how many people were actually around to possibly hear the shots?

Just jumping off from your post to do my own thinking out loud. :seeya:

 

[Sunday]

I almost always back my car into a spot (I'm female). I find it's safer when pulling out because I don't have to reverse into the driving lane "blind".

As far as Gianni's car being parked that way, it could have been done to afford more privacy when putting someone (or oneself) into the trunk. Or to try to obscure the Utah plate? Or just habit.

You and Izzy both make some really great points. I know someone who is a low level dope slinger (pot) but he *thinks* he's tough/hard, and I notice that he ALWAYS backs into parking spots. LOL, never thought to dig deeper to see if this is something dealers do! I'm a bit sheltered...

It DEF makes sense to back the car in to limit the visibility of the license plate since they were looking for this individual and his vehicle. Perhaps it was a safeguard to ensure they (the perpetrator) had enough time to vacate the area. Is there no front plate on his car?

No matter what, anything other than a murder/suicide indicates some shady dealings. That doesn't indicate that the murdered individuals were involved in shady dealings - just close enough to matter. It's really sad, especially if they did nothing (directly) to bring this upon themselves.

I'm totally shocked that the WS community hasn't uncovered something on this one yet! I am always amazed and delighted when I follow cases (from very early on) and see the WS community piece together things that no one has even thought of! Y'all are either hella smart, or criminally inclined, or both!

 

[kimmypie1]

Maybe the ditching of the car at this point in time was because the person who was hiding the car no longer could because of the smell so it was time to ditch it. If they really wanted the car to be found they would have driven the car straight in so the Utah plate could be easily seen, but they backed it in so that it would be hidden (since there was no front plate). MOO

 

[Sandyggo]

I agree.

As for the silencer, I guess it depends on what kind of gun was used. Thinking back to the only time I can ever remember hearing actual gunshots, watching my dad shoot at cans in the pasture at my grandma's, I don't recall them as being that loud. And that was out in the country with no traffic noise or other urban/suburban sounds.

It seems to me that in a lot of news stories people who heard gunshots describe them as a pop pop pop sound that they might have mistaken for a car backfiring, or something other than what they were.

Also too it was the wee hours, even for last-minute Christmas shopping. So I wonder, how many people were actually around to possibly hear the shots?

Just jumping off from your post to do my own thinking out loud. :seeya:

What caliber of gun was your dad using to shoot cans? A .22 isn't too loud. But a 9mm, .38 or .45 and you will be covering your ears!

Also, when is the last time you heard a car "back fire." Modern cars do not backfire. Their are few cars with carburetors on the road these days. Was the killer driving a 1978 Monte Carlo? Fuel injection cars which are what have been on the road for the past two decades do not backfire.

A silencer can but like in the movies, a machined accessory added to the end of the barrel. Or as simple as a potato. Something that absorbs the shock wave of sound coming out the barrel.

 

[Frannie]

Is there a press conference today? And if so will there be live streaming on the internet ? Thanks

 

[Sandyggo]

Is there a press conference today? And if so will there be live streaming on the internet ? Thanks

No news so far. Perhaps today or tomorrow. I doubt that there will be any press conference. LE is keeping so quiet on this. In fact, unless this is a suicide, they may not release the cause of death pending further investigation.

This is what the Riverside Coroner has posted so far:

http://i44.tinypic.com/2jdgjz7.jpg

 

[missingm]

No news so far. Perhaps today or tomorrow. I doubt that there will be any press conference. LE is keeping so quiet on this. In fact, unless this is a suicide, they may not release the cause of death pending further investigation.

This is what the Riverside Coroner has posted so far:

http://i44.tinypic.com/2jdgjz7.jpg

Next of kin notified: Yes

 

[SDHELPS]

This article is a couple of days old but found it interesting...

Riverside County Sheriff's Deputy Michael Vasquez calls reports about an identification wrong.

"We've received numerous reports that an anonymous family member says family has been contacted and a positive ID has been made, but at that time this is incorrect," he says.

Vasquez says the autopsy is scheduled for tomorrow or possibly Wednesday and until that time no identification will be made.

"No contact has been made to a family member in regards to a positive identification, we would not be conducting an autopsy if that were the case, if we had already positively identified the body," he said.

Vasquez says the Riverside County Coroner will use dental records or fingerprints to ID the body, ruling out any possibility that family could have viewed the body and perhaps been the source of the report.

See more: http://www.sandiego6.com/story/auto...e-shooting-deaths-in-mission-valley--20140121

BBM Why is the world would he say they would not be conducting an autopsy if they had positive ID? Of course they would to determine COD and TOD. Am I missing something here? Not the most reliable reporting agency but I thought I would put it out there.

Hopefully by tonight there will at least be confirmation of ID. No matter which way this turns by heart goes out to the Belvedere family.

:sigh:

 

[Ellemeno]

I think what makes me anxious about high profile cases that occur
in San Diego is that we will be left with an inappropriate cause
of death like Rebecca Z.

I am a San Diego native and have
followed the crazy politics that can impact the investigations of cases that generate a lot of media interest. Therefore, I am glad Riverside is involved to some extent (via the coroner). It gives me a sense that some checks and balances are in place.