CA - Girls set cat on fire, cat fighting for life. Santa Rosa, 2007

  • #81
1st these girls need to be in custody for at least a year - nothing but school and solitary confinement. Then I think these girls should have to empty bedpans in a burn ward - maybe seeing the pain of burns on a HUMAN will make them understand what that poor kitten has felt because of THEM. They ought to have to sit outside the debridement room every day and listen to the people scream in agony and then mop tho floors after each one of them....every free hour every day until they are 18.

Bob the Tortoise's torturer should go to prison for at least 5 years and THEN he should be forced to work at least 2 years in a hospital that treats veterans with missing limbs and shrapnel injuries - similar injuries to what Bob got at his hands. And be sure and TELL all the veterans there what this man did to a poor defenseless animal. Lets see if America's Finest can show this man what daily pain and suffering is all about!

The LAWS MUST BE CHANGED. Animals are not just something we own, like a car or a TV. Their value is PRICELESS and yet the law calls it a misdemeanor based on the monetary value of a replacement. Animal cruelty is a precursor to HUMAN cruelty and a sign that something is very wrong in the person's head - which either we must fix, or at least prepare to protect society and all living things against forever.

I think we ought to start building specialty prisons on sea platforms. It would take fewer guards and the ones that are needed could work instead keeping the prisoners busy doing something constructive for society. This way we can segregate certain offenders from others except those like them. We could have ones for animal torturers and killers, another one for pedophiles, another for drug addicts or alcoholics - with heavy duty counseling and treatment as a mandate for the entire sentence. Ahh--- Someday maybe we can figure out a way to require certain offenders to live forever in a restricted environment - one without children, or pets or drugs - and receive LIFETIME monitoring, treatment and supervision.

It is a good thing I didn't find these people before the police because I am afraid it would have been "temporary insanity" time for me. I do not thing I could stop myself. It makes me so angry it almost makes me physically ill. We just lost our beloved Sr cat to old age - she was 23 years old! A worthless (in the eyes of the law) pound kitty who we loved like a child. To think that in the eyes of the law a beloved companion of 23 YEARS has so little value that if someone had killed her or tortured her they would have gotten little more than a fine and a slap. I am afraid I would not wait on the law to punish someone who hurt one of MY pets.

We can do BETTER! We must do BETTER! All living creatures are THAT important. The way we treat animals eventually will be the way we treat our fellow man.

My Opinion, Really
Flower Child, I couldn't agree with you more! :clap: That is an excellent idea for their punishment ~ make them know the consequences and pain and suffering involved for burn victims. I also totally agree with the laws needing to be changed, not just to step up the punishment for cruelty but also that our pets do have value to us ~ as loving companions like adopted children, not as property.
 
  • #82
FlowerChild,

I love the idea of them being of service on a burn ward.

SCM
 
  • #83
My passion for animals sometimes is greater than for other people since animals (like little Adam) are so totally defenseless ~ like small children are. So forgive me for venting my anger toward these two :furious: teenage girls. Actually I personally wouldn't do anything to them, but I do wonder how they'd like it if the same thing was done to them as they did to the little kitten. I do think that the punishment that the law allows isn't enough though for such a horrendous crime and I'm also thinking of their mentality and who is going to be their next victim.

Pathera,

You surely don't have to ask my or anyone's forgiveness for venting your anger on these threads. I certainly understand feeling and saying things in anger that I wouldn't ever actually do.

In my post on my subject, I was just truly trying to figure it out. Some people actually do feel capable of doling out eye-for-eye justice. I wasn't trying to take anyone to task or to sound superior, and I apologize if my questions came across that way.

I tend to post and read posts very literally - it's harder when you are not sitting across from the person who is speaking!

Anger can be a fantastic emotion to motivate change and, to that extent, it's healthy for us to be furious at what was done to these helpless animals. I do not know if we are close to changing our laws so that human-on-animal crimes would be as severely punished as human-on-human crimes. I do believe that we must strive harder to protect the most vulnerable among us - animals, small children and the elderly all fall into that category.
 
  • #84
Pathera,

You surely don't have to ask my or anyone's forgiveness for venting your anger on these threads. I certainly understand feeling and saying things in anger that I wouldn't ever actually do.

In my post on my subject, I was just truly trying to figure it out. Some people actually do feel capable of doling out eye-for-eye justice. I wasn't trying to take anyone to task or to sound superior, and I apologize if my questions came across that way.

I tend to post and read posts very literally - it's harder when you are not sitting across from the person who is speaking!

Anger can be a fantastic emotion to motivate change and, to that extent, it's healthy for us to be furious at what was done to these helpless animals. I do not know if we are close to changing our laws so that human-on-animal crimes would be as severely punished as human-on-human crimes. I do believe that we must strive harder to protect the most vulnerable among us - animals, small children and the elderly all fall into that category.
thank you :) I am especially impressed with your last paragraph and totally agree that something more needs to be done to protect those who are the most vulnerable and you made a good point by including the elderly in that group. There seems to be a rise in predatory crimes being committed lately, with predator meaning someone who is larger, younger or more in control of their victims whether it is these two teenagers vs. an 8 wk old kitten, to men & women killing children, to these street thugs who assault and rob the elderly. I totally agree with what Sen. Byrd said today about the Vick case ~ it's "barbaric".
 
  • #85
thank you :) ......

:blowkiss:

The predators among us will always be drawn to the weakest and so our obligations must be especially committed to those parts of our society.

The Vick case makes me livid...and, of course, embarrassed of my city and state.

I do think we are making great strides, but we still have a long way to go!
 
  • #86
:blowkiss:

The predators among us will always be drawn to the weakest and so our obligations must be especially committed to those parts of our society.

The Vick case makes me livid...and, of course, embarrassed of my city and state.

I do think we are making great strides, but we still have a long way to go!
thanks again :) Vick totally disgusts me too, especially for the crimes he's being charged with and he's another embarrassment to the NFL. Don't feel like you're alone though, my city had to deal with Ray Carruth a few years ago. :mad:
 
  • #87
I know you don't or won't believe this but some people are born with a bend to being evil. Nothing can prevent it. It is the old nature vs nurture argument. Unless someone works with juveniles (or adults) in this situation, I don't think it can be comprehended that some people are just mean and some are truly evil. Counseling and therapy may make the public at large and the counselor think they are doing something to help but at age fifteen, forget it. These girls will likely grow up and continue their abuse toward children they have or are around.

Just call me jaded. I call it being realistic.

BOESP I totally agree with you. I do truely believe that some people are just evil, and nothing can cause a change for the better.

These girls are 15 years old, they know right from wrong, for about ten or eleven years now, they should of been very aware of the differences of right and wrong
They are not just mischeivious little girls, they are evil.

You can place this type of a person into a rehabilitative setting and they will go through the motions of the program, smile in yor face, then get out and they're back to their evil ways.

This will sound harsh to some, but I'm just sorry that there is not a mandatory sterilization for such crimes. I can't imagine these 2 having children.
 
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Excellent post - and I feel the same way. What's happening in a 15-year-old's world that brings something like this about? It's just heartbreaking on so many levels.

Girls have become much more violent too.
It's a scary thing, because females are mothers and the foundation of society's morality.
 
  • #90
Girls have become much more violent too.
It's a scary thing, because females are mothers and the foundation of society's morality.


You're right, evelyn. Mothers are the true backbone of a family, of teaching right from wrong, and as you say "the foundation of a society's morality ".

I think our society's foundation is crumbling fast.
 
  • #91
You're right, evelyn. Mothers are the true backbone of a family, of teaching right from wrong, and as you say "the foundation of a society's morality ".

I think our society's foundation is crumbling fast.

It is a double-edged sword - the fact that today we are seeing females taking on more traditional male roles/characterstics and vice versa. So while this means that we see more agression, etc... in women, we also see more tenderness, etc.. in men.

I think this can be a very good thing.

For example, I know a fair few couples of my generation where the wife is the predominant breadwinner and the husband is the predominant childrearer/housekeeper.

Even in my own marriage (and the marriages of many of my friends), my husband was and is very involved in bringing up the children (feedings, bathings, diaperchangings - all of it) - my husband (and many fathers of today) plays a much more intimate role in the emotional/psychological/moral lives of his children than his father or my father did.

So I think the mother as traditional "moral backbone of family" is shifting, and I think that's a great thing. I don't think the morality of society is crumbling, but it is changing. IMO, for the better.

As you and evelyn point out, there are definitely negatives to this changing structure, to include more violent crimes being committed by females.
 
  • #92
I'm just praying for little Adam and hoping that we're able to read more about his progress toward recovery. :)
 
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  • #94
1st these girls need to be in custody for at least a year - nothing but school and solitary confinement. Then I think these girls should have to empty bedpans in a burn ward - maybe seeing the pain of burns on a HUMAN will make them understand what that poor kitten has felt because of THEM. They ought to have to sit outside the debridement room every day and listen to the people scream in agony and then mop tho floors after each one of them....every free hour every day until they are 18.

:clap: :clap: I think this is an EXCELLENT idea!! :clap: :clap:
 
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  • #96
Thanks so much for the updates and pictures norcalgirl!! :blowkiss:

It warms my heart to see the newer pics of Adam and see that he's getting all this love and care.

Do you know if the Wrights are going to keep Adam permanently? I'm sure there have been lots of people coming forward who would love to have him. :) I know I would!!!
 
  • #97
I remember reading in an article (IIRC last week) that said the Wrights are planning to adopt him permanently, but they had more than 50 offers from people who wanted him. He's such a beautiful kitten!
 
  • #98
Good for Adam! We have two new kittens in the house right now - nine week old brothers - and we are having so much fun with them. They are so playful!
 
  • #99
What a cute kitty! I'm so glad he's getting more than just medical care. He's being loved on too!!!! Thanks for the pictures link!!
 
  • #100
I'm so happy Adam is recovering. I think the punishment for animal cruelty is not nearly strong enough.

My beautiful Dusty kitty is a rescue, and I couldn't ask for a more affectionate kitty. I just feel terrible that I ignored her for weeks while she slept on our patio, because I thought she had a home. She had a collar, but no name tag. My husband finally thought she was hungry, and fed her. From that point on she is our little baby. We love her to pieces!
 

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