CA CA - Hannah, 16, Devonte, 15, & Sierra Hart, 12, Mendocino County, 26 March 2018 #2

[Momoffourboys]

I just love how these hippy, earthy families are so anti government, anti establishment but yet have no problem taking government funds paid with our tax dollars to help support the kids and their living expenses. Kohl’s barely pays enough for a single person to live. HYPOCRITES a good amount is paid out monthly for each child plus medical expenses, food stamps, etc. Kohl’s does not pay enough to support a family of eight. I think someone posted a link just how much the state paid plus an additional amount from the government plus more for child with disabilities.

It must be nice to do all that traveling fun trips, go to all those festivals, garden with the kids, do all that fun stuff yada yada how nice all that natural living but seriously the kids were in their teens what kind of career path and goals were these Moms providing the older kids. Was all this natural living going to help with the children’s futures to have careers, a good job and be self supportive? The oldest boy actually an adult 19 should have been driving and going to college getting a real education. Markis was probably Jens pawn under her control helping her with the younger kids and doing all the chores. These women were keeping him like a child, dependent on them I suppose to continue getting money from the government for their own personal needs and support their hippy lifestyle. Geez they certainly weren’t using al the government money on food for the kids. Moms were eating quite well they must have been eating all the portions for these kids.

These Moms used these innocent kids as personal Slaves to fit the narrative of their lifestyle to flaunt in social media and protest for the camera . They didn’t love these children they used them.

The one or both these Moms that murdered these precious darling Angels of God I hope they rot in hell for what they’ve done.

Wow. That is a whole lot of generalization and judgement.

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

"The sheriff said Jennifer Hart and spouse Sarah Hart were found dead wearing seat belts"



I don't think we can call the seatbelts thing just yet as we have 1 article with seatbelts and 1 article without.

I wondered about Sarah in the back, clearly the 3 kids found weren't belted and I think it's safe to say Jennifer was

At first it was said Sarah was in front also, belted also then it changed in the news

 

[Amonet]

Thank you, I'd thought I'd remembered him being an option on the Democratic primary ballot.

Yes, he ran as a Democrat for the presidency. But I think he believes in taxation (some would probably describe him on the socialist side of the spectrum of Democrats) and I think that would include for things like subsidies to help people who work as managers or assistant managers in dept stores to adopt children that need families, and maybe Jen and Sarah believed in that too.

 

[Poppyflower]

That's what I've been thinking, too, like okay everyone we're going to pull over and sleep here so everyone unbuckle and get comfy I'm going to leave the car running for the heat for a while...

I wish we knew what time the crash occurred... I would have thought the black box would provide times?

Yes or even everyone was sleeping and not belted in. My kids would ask if they could lay in the back of our minivan on long trips without their seat belts. I said no because I'm very careful about anything car or driving related. They still asked every time. Maybe Jenn and Sara were ok with it? or maybe the kids unbelted without them knowing?

Unrelated but I don't think Sara was in on it or knew what was happening. I think she was asleep as well. I don't think they had a fight just before because that would have made the kids wake up. I don't see Jenn doing something in the middle of the fight, with her kids awake. She needed them to all be sleeping in order for it to be "OK" in her head.

moo

 

[Whiteorchids]

"The sheriff said Jennifer Hart and spouse Sarah Hart were found dead wearing seat belts"



I don't think we can call the seatbelts thing just yet as we have 1 article with seatbelts and 1 article without.

Someone posted a report/ document from LE yesterday that was check as adults were wearing seatbelts children were not. [emoji22]

 

[Talulah]

I see little to no reason to comment negatively on adoption subsidies. These things are in place to help families afford to care for children that the state would otherwise have to place in homes. How the Harts used the monies they may or may not have received for the children is not a reason to disparage something that helps families care for abused or unwanted children.

 

[Talulah]

Yes, he ran as a Democrat for the presidency. But I think he believes in taxation (some would probably describe him on the socialist side of the spectrum of Democrats) and I think that would include for things like subsidies to help people who work as managers or assistant managers in dept stores to adopt children that need families, and maybe Jen and Sarah believed in that too.

Everyone "believes in taxation." People disagree over the amount that is reasonable or what tax money should be spent on. You can't have a progressive society without taxation.

 

[Gardenista]

As far as I know, Sarah´s father is the only relative that has come forward. Otherwise nothing.

Were Jen and Sarah largely estranged from their families?
We have seen a lot of photos, but none with grandparents or other relatives, have we?

Just Jen w/ her GM on her FB but it is private

 

[Sleuth99]

I'm wondering what caused the initial statement that Jen and Sarah WERE wearing their seatbelts. That has now been retracted. I'm certain an autopsy could determine this for certain with the injuries that would be sustained with a belt at their torso and waistline.

Yea that's a big deal to make a note of that early on and then retract it. 🤷🏾*♀️ maybe children found outside and women found in the car led them to make that statement? I mean as they were removing the bodies, didn't they need to remove seat belts if that were the case. That is crazy. It makes me question other things like children being ejected etc. the whole narrative is based around them driving off a cliff with the women in seat belts and the children without them


IMO

 

[Whiteorchids]

Wow. That is a whole lot of generalization and judgement.

I’m just so mad of this happening to these darling children. I wish I would have adopted them. I would have given them a good life.

 

[Sleuth99]

What seems weird to me is that the adults played video games but the children, teens and tweens, weren’t allowed to play (age appropriate) video games.

Right wouldn't the parents want to model what they believe is best for their children?


IMO

 

[Zelda1010]

At first this is the article I read about the abuse.

investigation in November 2010 after Abigail told a teacher at Woodland Elementary School she had "owies" on her tummy and back.

The teacher said she found bruises that stretched from the little girl's sternum to her belly button and from her mid-back to the waist band on her jeans.

The discovery prompted the teacher to contact social services and police.

In an interview, according to the police report, Abigail told a detective and a social worker her mother Jennifer had grown angry with her the day before because a penny had fallen out of her pocket and onto the floor.

The girl said Jennifer then dragged her into the bathroom and submerged her head under cold water in the bathtub.

Afterward, Abigail said she was "spanked" repeatedly, imitating her mother's hand with a clenched fist.

She was later grounded, a punishment that would sometimes include missed meals, she said.

"When asked what happens when she gets grounded, she stated that she has to stay in her bed and has no lunch," the report reads. "[She] also stated that she had missed lunch this past Saturday."

No one else in the house witnessed the abuse, Abigail told police. She said her other mother, Sarah, later saw the bruises and placed an ointment on them.

Abigail added that "mom Jen spanks the most and acts tough when she is upset with the children," according to the police report.

Police and the social worker also interviewed some of Abigail's siblings, whose names were redacted from the records obtained by The Oregonian/OregonLive.


One sibling said their sister had lied about the beating and had only received a time out for her misbehavior, adding that their parents rarely doled out spankings and always used an open hand.

Another sibling told authorities that getting grounded only meant they had to stay in bed and not do anything. This sibling also said their parents did not spank them or ever withhold food.

Authorities later interviewed Sarah Hart, who told them Abigail had been "lying out of control" lately and that she and Jennifer had recently resorted to spanking their children.

Sarah Hart then said it was she and not her partner Jennifer who had struck the child. Sarah Hart said she had bent her daughter over the bathtub and "swatted" her repeatedly, which likely led to the bruising.

"Sarah again stated she had lost her temper, mostly due to lying, and that she had lost her control," the police report says.

Sarah told police she worked while Jennifer stayed at home.
http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-n...f/2018/03/devonte_harts_little_sister_to.html

Here is a link to the court docs. https://www.scribd.com/document/375058494/Sarah-Hart-2011-domestic-abuse-case-court-documents

Abigail is abused on the 14th and reports it at school the next day and LE interview her at school then call the women to the law enforcement center to be interviewed separately. Sarah "immediately" admits to administering a spanking and having let her anger be in control the previous day, she acknowledges the bruising must have come from it. After that interview Jen is interviewed and acknowledges witnessing the spanking.

There wasn't a lot of time to consider stories and outcomes. Sarah felt guilty for what happened to Abigail, but I don't think the final confession really tells the whole story. Jmo.

 

[Gardenista]

Thank you, I'd thought I'd remembered him being an option on the Democratic primary ballot.

Bernie Sanders's career and candidacy are quite unusual because he didn't come up through the Democratic or Republican Party. Instead, he's long been an independent who calls himself a "democratic socialist."

https://www.vox.com/cards/bernie-sanders-issues-policies/bernie-sanders-socialist

 

[bluesneakers]

Yes, he ran as a Democrat for the presidency. But I think he believes in taxation (some would probably describe him on the socialist side of the spectrum of Democrats) and I think that would include for things like subsidies to help people who work as managers or assistant managers in dept stores to adopt children that need families, and maybe Jen and Sarah believed in that too.

Supporting Bernie does not make someone a socialist. You can say they attended his rally and wore his shirt, but anything more than that (like saying they were socialists) is speculation. Unless someone has found their voting records they could have been registered Republicans for all we know.

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

Wow. That is a whole lot of generalization and judgement.

I just love how these hippy, earthy families are so anti government, anti establishment but yet have no problem taking government funds paid with our tax dollars to help support the kids and their living expenses. Kohl’s barely pays enough for a single person to live. HYPOCRITES a good amount is paid out monthly for each child plus medical expenses, food stamps, etc. Kohl’s does not pay enough to support a family of eight. I think someone posted a link just how much the state paid plus an additional amount from the government plus more for child with disabilities.

It must be nice to do all that traveling fun trips, go to all those festivals, garden with the kids, do all that fun stuff yada yada how nice all that natural living but seriously the kids were in their teens what kind of career path and goals were these Moms providing the older kids. Was all this natural living going to help with the children’s futures to have careers, a good job and be self supportive? The oldest boy actually an adult 19 should have been driving and going to college getting a real education. Markis was probably Jens pawn under her control helping her with the younger kids and doing all the chores. These women were keeping him like a child, dependent on them I suppose to continue getting money from the government for their own personal needs and support their hippy lifestyle. Geez they certainly weren’t using al the government money on food for the kids. Moms were eating quite well they must have been eating all the portions for these kids.

These Moms used these innocent kids as personal Slaves to fit the narrative of their lifestyle to flaunt in social media and protest for the camera . They didn’t love these children they used them.

The one or both these Moms that murdered these precious darling Angels of God I hope they rot in hell for what they’ve done.

I hope we all know we can't judge a whole by the actions of a few

At any rate MY judgement is that this woman, if not both, was an extreme narcissist. She needed narcissistic supply. They adopted these children to get that supply. The propaganda game also gave Jen her much needed narcissistic supply. The videos they did, Devonte in the news did..... I don't buy that they received death threats when Devonte was in the news so often, they left the area soon after, they didn't want people knowing who they really were. THey didn't want the kids to talk to anyone to get to close. They kept them inside unless on a trip doing a video or a political rally or protest.

These women or atleast the dominant, whom I believe to be is Jennifer, one were sickos, sick in the head psychotic

The subsidies were a bonus! OR maybe the rest was a bonus

At any rate, IM saddened by the way these children were let down by they system. They should have had ongoing monitoring and should have been investigated further.. There is NO reason but laziness this system failed those children. My heart aches for them

 

[Starkville]

So, they spent about 24 hours in Fort Bragg. Do we have any media of visits to that area or reports of friends who lived there?


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I’m basing this on something I saw on social media; it probably doesn’t count. But a friend and defender had posted photos of a previous trip from Jen’s timeline; they had gone to the glass beach and seemed to have a really good time there. Maybe they were spending time there again?

 

[Sleuth99]

I wondered about Sarah in the back, clearly the 3 kids found weren't belted and I think it's safe to say Jennifer was

At first it was said Sarah was in front also, belted also then it changed in the news

Could she have been moving to protect them or shield them somehow? How do you get stuck in between a row of seats?


IMO

 

[Starkville]

Yea that's a big deal to make a note of that early on and then retract it. 路*♀️ maybe children found outside and women found in the car led them to make that statement? I mean as they were removing the bodies, didn't they need to remove seat belts if that were the case. That is crazy. It makes me question other things like children being ejected etc. the whole narrative is based around them driving off a cliff with the women in seat belts and the children without them


IMO

IMO, reporting on this case has been really shoddy. Pretty much everything authorities have said has been recanted or changed at some point. I’m waiting to hear that the surveillance video is actually someone else now.

 

[Poppyflower]

Could she have been moving to protect them or shield them somehow? How do you get stuck in between a row of seats?


IMO

By the suv going off the cliff

 

[SATA]

I posted my theory earlier and adding on to it, I think it was the middle of the night and everyone was sleeping when Jenn drove off the cliff.

1. Everyone was sleeping so she could get away with it.
2. She could rationalize further in her head that none of them would know what was going on- their lives would just end.
3. No people, parked cars or traffic- or a very reduced amount.

I THINK they all could have been sleeping on that spot where police say they stopped before plunging the car forward and over the edge.
No one knows how long the car was in that spot.

I have been wondering where they slept on that trip.

This theory explains where they slept, explains why they were not in buckled up, explains why no one could stop the driver.

Well done, Poppyflower! I totally buy into this theory.
If it is correct, hopefully most slept into their deaths, not realizing what happened.